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Title: John Meikle Duff
Post by: bigt on Thursday 22 February 18 22:01 GMT (UK)
I am looking for any information on a John Meikle Duff, born c1843.  His name was given in the Kirk Session records for Girthon Parish, as being the reputed father of my great grandfather, John McQuarrie (later Duff) born 1864 at Gatehouse of Fleet.

In 1875 at Stranraer, a John Meikle Duff married a Maria Donaghy.  At that time John gave his parents as Abraham Meikle Duff and Bridget Fitzpatrick. He gave his address as 2 Dalrymple Street, Stranraer (same address as Maria). I do not have a place of birth for John.

I have cheched Census returns without sucess.

Thanks

Tom
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 22 February 18 22:18 GMT (UK)
Also on

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788462.0 Topic locked.


Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 22 February 18 22:23 GMT (UK)
Have you looked at the Irish records on

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Wendy2305 on Thursday 22 February 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
Have you the birth entry from the Scotlands People website of your great grandfather there maybe an entry in the RCE giving an address and occupation of John Duff you could check the census to see if you can find him or download the marriage you have found to check the occupation as well
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: bigt on Thursday 22 February 18 22:55 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I added the same request on the Wigtownshire section because of the marriage there in 1875.

Yes, I have checked Scotlandspeople and the birth entry.  Father's name is blank. My greatgrandfather was born in 1864 to Lauchlina McQuarrie at Girthon.  In the 1871 Census, his name became John Duff.  He was known as John Duff the rest of his life.  Father's name on his death certificate is also blank.
There is no corrected entry.  Also, when he got married in 1889, the space for his father is empty. According to the Kirk Session record, the reputed father failed to appear.

John M Duff's occupation is down as Labourer.

Thanks for the Ireland link.

Tom
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 22 February 18 23:34 GMT (UK)
I see that the 1875 marriage certificate suggests that Abraham Duff was still alive and a farmer. Bridget, John's mother,  is down as deceased.

Have you checked to see if there is a death record for Bridget? Also. if Abraham is still alive in 1875, where is he  :-\

Gadget

Added - the cross linking of the two posts is to try to prevent duplication of effort.
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 22 February 18 23:37 GMT (UK)
Just noticed the place/forms of marriage - Roman Catholic Chapel, Stranraer, according to the forms of the RC Church.

Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 00:00 GMT (UK)
Might be of interest ~

Incoming passengers:

 John M Duff. aged 67, arrived Liverpool from Quebec on Empress of Britain on 23 Jun 1911. He was accompanied by Gwendoline, aged 22 and Dorothy, aged 19. Of Scottish origin.

Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 09:25 GMT (UK)
Re previous post~

Having looked at Canadian Censuses on FS, I think that this John was born Aberdeen and arrived in Canada  in the 1850s - pity as it looked promising.
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: ev on Friday 23 February 18 10:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Gaget ,

What ages are given for John and Maria on that 1875 marriage cert. ?

There is a John McDuff(age 37 labourer) and Maria McDuff(age 40) , both married born Ireland , living Old Luce Wigtown as lodgers(1881 LDS Census).


ev
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 10:21 GMT (UK)
He 32 and she was 40 - looks possible, ev.
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 10:34 GMT (UK)
See it says he was born Ireland.  I did do a search last night there but didn't find anything. I didn't search the Catholic records though as it was getting late.

Would Peter and Sarah Donelly, listed with them on the 1881, be related to Maria, maybe.
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 10:40 GMT (UK)
So both born Ireland, Maria recorded as a hawker and he as a labourer. No occupation for Maria on marriage cert.
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: bigt on Friday 23 February 18 13:57 GMT (UK)
Not yet looked up your results re census, but Maria had a sister Sarah, born c1841, according to the 1851 census for Inch, Stranraer.

Tom
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 14:24 GMT (UK)
Found a death reg for an Abraham M'llduff

April-Jun Q, 1883, Newry 1, 702. Aged 68, so b.c. 1815.

Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 14:27 GMT (UK)
Also, in Griffiths 1864

Abraham Mcllduff
Occupier
Townland - Stang
Parish - Clonduff
Poor Law Union - Newry, Co. Down
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 17:35 GMT (UK)
Hope this works- the death reg of Abraham:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06368/4827293.pdf


Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Gadget on Friday 23 February 18 20:26 GMT (UK)
This marriage is interesting:

12 June 1838, Clonuff, Newry
Bridget Fitzpatrick and John McQuiade

Irish RC Parish Marriages.

I don't see any deaths or remarriages but, given same address as Abraham, it's worth keeping on the possibles list.

Gadget
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: bigt on Friday 23 February 18 22:29 GMT (UK)
Got the death entry and marriage.  On emeraldancestors.com, for Stang, Clonduff parish there are 2 records for McIlduff.  So, I have to assume when John gave his name, people thought it was Meikle Duff, since he could not write according to his marriage certificate.

Thanks for your help with this Gadget.

Tom

Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: Floss on Wednesday 28 February 18 15:04 GMT (UK)
Hi
Not got anything to add, just to say I'm researching McIlduffs, not come across Abraham but have alot of info on other McIlduffs.  Never searched this spelling of the surname, so gives me something else to look for  ;D
Fiona McIlduff
Title: Re: John Meikle Duff
Post by: bigt on Wednesday 28 February 18 20:14 GMT (UK)
I traced his wife and step-son to Girvan, Ayrshire, in 1891.  Her surname is DUFF, aged 60, married, and living in Wreck Road.  By 1901, step-son (William Gordon, b 1864 at Stranraer) is at Kilmarnock.

Still cannot trace John.

According to his marriage certificate in 1875, his father is Abraham, occupation farmer, and mother Bridget Docherty (deceased)