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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: judb on Friday 23 February 18 04:24 GMT (UK)
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Ancestry gives two options in their drop=-down box for 'Queensland' - Queensland, Australia and Queensland, Hampshire
There is a query on a current thread on the Australia Board re an address for a person nominated as Next of Kin for his son's enlistment in The Prince of Wales West Yorkshire regiment in 1889 The address for the father is just given as 'Queensland' The O P is trying to find out whether it's Qld in Australia or another Queensland
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788400.0
No-one seems to be able to find any reference to a Queensland in UK, although Wikipedia suggests that there are others : Queensland, Calgary, a neighbourhood in Alberta, Canada and
Queensland, Georgia, an unincorporated town in Georgia, U.S.
So - is/was there a Queensland in Hampshire as sown on Ancestry?
Judith
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I've searched on Ancestry using that dropdown item and can not (yet) find any results that link back to a genuine Queensland in England.
There are fairly recent (2000s) U.S. Obituary Collection results that show "Queensland, Hampshire, England" but they are described as from a "...compilation of obituaries published in U.S. newspapers, collected from various online sources..." and are probably human or machine error based.
Other results are "Queensland or England" or Queenslanders in England
M
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Thanks matthewj64. I don't think there is one at all. However I'm sure I've seen a map of fields somewhere in UK where a field was known as "New Zealand" or some other antipodean name. I have no idea where I came across this and perhaps I'm completely wrong. :-\
Having looked at the image of the enlistment papers I would be 95% thinking that it meant Qld, Australia. As his mother's name and address were recorded (and his brother's name) my guess would be that the authorities were not that bothered in finding the exact whereabouts of his father.
Judith
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Thanks matthewj64. I don't think there is one at all. However I'm sure I've seen a map of fields somewhere in UK where a field was known as "New Zealand" or some other antipodean name. I have no idea where I came across this and perhaps I'm completely wrong. :-\
To put you out of your misery:
New Zealand is a hamlet in the civil parish of Hilmarton in Wiltshire, England. Nearby villages are Goatacre, Hilmarton and Lyneham; the nearest town is Calne, approximately 4 miles to the southwest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand,_Wiltshire
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Great question Judith, I hope we get definitive answer soon. :)
JM
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Curious Fox (online gazetteer) has a Queensland in Hampshire within 5 miles of Southampton and has it identified on an OS map.
Pheno
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Has anyone seen a snip from the original document?
here it is :)
(found it via this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698778.msg5420080#msg5420080 )
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Rightmove (an online estate agent) has properties in Queensland, Southampton:
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/Queensland.html
It appears to be a district in Central Southampton?
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There was also a pub called the Queensland Tavern :-\
https://whatpub.com/pubs/HAS/00544/queensland-tavern-southampton
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Great sleuthing :)
JM
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It appears to be a district in Central Southampton?
I don't see that on any maps :-\
If indeed it does say Queensland I'd think it's more likely to be Queensland Australia :-\
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Curious Fox (online gazetteer) has a Queensland in Hampshire within 5 miles of Southampton and has it identified on an OS map.
Pheno
There are indeed some newspaper entries in the 1890s for "Queensland, Southampton"
"SOUTHAMPTON NEWS." Southampton Herald, 25 Jan. 1890, p. 8.
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There are indeed some newspaper entries in the 1890s for "Queensland, Southampton"
"SOUTHAMPTON NEWS." Southampton Herald, 25 Jan. 1890, p. 8.
I stand corrected ;D Still can't find it on a map, though.
The question remains,however, did the reference on the attestation paper refer to Queensland Southampton, or Queensland Australia?
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Since the word 'Queensland' is given in isolation I would say it is the Australia one.
Annette
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Just repeating the link given earlier, which is relevant.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698778.0
Some points from that thread:
George last seen in 1881 census.
His son joins the military in 1889, stating that his father's residence is 'Queensland' :-\
His wife re-marries in 1894, stating she is a widow.
His son marries in 1907, stating that his father is deceased.
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Still can't find it on a map, though.
I just love proving myself wrong ;D
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/442540/112535/12/100642 (use the zoom out button if the map doesn't load)
and
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=50.9113&lon=-1.3956&layers=6&right=BingHyb
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Just to add further confusion, there is of course a Southampton in Queensland, 500km west of Brisbane.
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Still can't find it on a map, though.
I just love proving myself wrong ;D
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/442540/112535/12/100642 (use the zoom out button if the map doesn't load)
and
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=50.9113&lon=-1.3956&layers=6&right=BingHyb
It even shows Clovelly Road which is where the pub was ;D
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George last seen in 1881 census.
Not necessarily correct ::)
Son Louis was born in York in 1886 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698778.msg5420122#msg5420122
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Since the word 'Queensland' is given in isolation I would say it is the Australia one.
Annette
Perhaps ... but .... if recorded prior to 1 January 1901 then recording 'Australia' as part of an address would be referring only to the continent. Queensland was a self-governing colony, hived off from New South Wales in 1859.... Commonwealth of Australia federated by Act of Parliament (U.K.) effective 1 Jan 1901.
In the snip, sufficient space left for street details, but I doubt sufficient space for both street and town information. And not enough room to write 'Australia' after Queensland ...
So I am still left wondering.
JM
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Map showing "Queensland" in Southampton, Hampshire, England.
http://www.southampton.gov.uk/images/ccap-policies-map-april-2015_tcm63-372117.pdf
Malky
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Louis was indeed born on the 29th August 1886 in 22 Lawrence Street York.
His mother registered his birth and it does say Father George English.
When his son George Henry marries in Middlesbrough in 1892 it says father George English but not deceased.
And the same on his sisters marriage in 1891
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When his son George Henry marries in Middlesbrough in 1892 it says father George English but not deceased.
And the same on his sisters marriage in 1891
The question as to whether the father was dead or alive would not normally be asked by the clergy.
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Thank you KGarrard for putting my mind at rest re the "New Zealand" near Hilmarton, Wilts. At least I can be happy that some of my memory cells still work. ;D All of which has nothing to do with the actual question.
Thank you to JM for pointing out that there was no actual formal country of Australia at the time of the enlistment - you'd think I'd know my history better! :-[
I rather suspect that George may possibly be the George ENGLISH who died in Oxley, Qld in 1907
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=788400.0
The last child registered to George and Ann was registered in 1886,
daughter marries 1891, son marries 1892, both name George as their father and do not say that he's deceased.
By 1891 Ann is using a different surname and with another man
Ann Elizabeth marries in 1894, stating that she is a widow,
Speculation, of course!
Judith
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If this is George how do i apply for his death certificate please .
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You can download an image directly from the Queensland BDM website https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/querySubmit.m?ReportName=DeathSearch
I can only see the 2 possibilities that I mentioned on the other thread
Deaths
1904 George ENGLISH, father Thomas ENGLISH, mother Elizabeth SMITH, B4840
1914 George ENGLISH, father unknown, mother unknown, aged 67 years, C2042
Ros
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Neither of those match my George English, so where would i look next.