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Title: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 12:56 GMT (UK)
Is it possible to trace Annie after 1911 death of husband or do I have to wait for 1921?

Annie born 1875 to George Edmonds and Jane Baker. Baptised 18 Apr 1875 Wonersh. She married Alfred William Spencer 10 Jun 1905 in Guildford. In 1911 family were living in Colchester. There were 3 sons two on the 1911 census- Alfred George(1907) and Leonard William(1909). Another son Albert John birth registered Jun 1911 Colchester. Husband Alfred William died 22 Apr 1911 and shows Annie as reporting his death.
There appear to be a number of possible marriages however the only one that I have ruled out is the 1915 Guildford marriage which shows father as Spencer.
Anyone have suggestions?

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 12:58 GMT (UK)
Have you looked on the 1939 register  :-\
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 13:13 GMT (UK)
Have you looked on the 1939 register  :-\

Somewhat
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 13:19 GMT (UK)
What happened to the children - where did they marry & subsequently live  :-\
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
Good question. Lots of canidates to choose from re marriages. Leonard seemed to be the most likely to trace. There is a possible marriage for him but could not find a likely death. I wondered if Annie remarried which seems likely with 3 very young children that the children ended up with a new surname.

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 14:07 GMT (UK)
Do you have her precise date of birth? This would help you in cross-checking against 1939 possibilities.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 14:12 GMT (UK)
Alfred George Spencer birth reg Jun qtr 1907 Dorking, mmn Edmonds.

Possible matching death reg Dec qtr 1979 Bristol shows birthdate 30 Apr 1907.  This Alfred married Gwendoline A Hatherell in Bristol in 1934.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 14:26 GMT (UK)
It looks possible (free searches) that Albert John b 1911 was in Trowbridge in 1939 and died there in 1967.

Possible marriage: Albert J Spencer to Doris M Emms, Mar qtr 1941 Trowbridge.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 15:17 GMT (UK)
Do you have her precise date of birth? This would help you in cross-checking against 1939 possibilities.

Afraid not. Just Mar 1875 Hambledon

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 15:23 GMT (UK)
It looks possible (free searches) that Albert John b 1911 was in Trowbridge in 1939 and died there in 1967.

Possible marriage: Albert J Spencer to Doris M Emms, Mar qtr 1941 Trowbridge.

Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser 18 January 1941
.........John Spencer son of Mrs & the late Mr W Spencer and the adopted son of Mr & Mrs T Pollard, Silver Street Lane
Doris M Emms was daughter of S A Emms (Postmaster)
Mr Spencer was serving with the RAOC
Article was headed Miss Doris Emms -Mr Jack Spencer
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 15:27 GMT (UK)
It looks possible (free searches) that Albert John b 1911 was in Trowbridge in 1939 and died there in 1967.

Possible marriage: Albert J Spencer to Doris M Emms, Mar qtr 1941 Trowbridge.

Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser 18 January 1941
.........John Spencer son of Mrs & the late Mr W Spencer and the adopted son of Mr & Mrs T Pollard, Silver Street Lane
Doris M Emms was daughter of S A Emms (Postmaster)
" Mr W Spencer". That does not sound like my Albert John with father Alfred William

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 15:29 GMT (UK)
unless they called the father William
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 16:15 GMT (UK)
Mr & Mrs T. Pollard of Silver Street Lane, Trowbridge were Thomas (b 1878) and Lucy L (b 1864).

Possibly married Mar qtr 1900 Stroud as Thomas Pollard & Lucy Lavinia Hopper.

Edit: now confirmed from his Army records that he married Lucy Lavinia Hopper, spinster, at Slade, Gloucestershire, on 26 Feb 1900.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 16:24 GMT (UK)
Thomas Pollard’s WW1 Army record names his adopted son as Albert John Spencer Pollard, born 24 April 1911 Colchester.

This may in fact be the adoption date or perhaps a baptism date, as Albert’s birthdate is given elsewhere as 8 April 1911.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 16:25 GMT (UK)
Excellent  ;D

Then Annie has not remarried by 1941  :-\
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 16:31 GMT (UK)
Searching for a widowed Annie I wonder if this is her  :-\  Sorry should have said in 1939

Annie Spencer   1875   Hove M.B.

Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: avm228 on Friday 23 February 18 17:07 GMT (UK)
Yes that looks a good possibility.
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 17:29 GMT (UK)
Thomas Pollard’s WW1 Army record names his adopted son as Albert John Spencer Pollard, born 24 April 1911 Colchester.

This may in fact be the adoption date or perhaps a baptism date, as Albert’s birthdate is given elsewhere as 8 April 1911.
Good  find. I have ordered Albert John Spencer mmn Edmonds birth cert

Thanks
Ed

Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 17:33 GMT (UK)
Alfred George Spencer birth reg Jun qtr 1907 Dorking, mmn Edmonds.

Possible matching death reg Dec qtr 1979 Bristol shows birthdate 30 Apr 1907.  This Alfred married Gwendoline A Hatherell in Bristol in 1934.

I have ordered Alfred George Spencer mmn Edmonds birth cert

Thanks
Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Friday 23 February 18 17:47 GMT (UK)
Searching for a widowed Annie I wonder if this is her  :-\  Sorry should have said in 1939

Annie Spencer   1875   Hove M.B.

Going strictly by the free search I have no idea who the other person at that residence is. Robine Edmonds Owen was born in 1904 Builth, Wales and my Edmonds family has no connection to Wales

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 17:53 GMT (UK)
Births Mar 1904   
OWEN    Robine Edmondes        Builth    11b   66

Mothers maiden surname Webb

possible sibling
OWEN, NANCY  LE PLASTRIER    mmn WEBB     
1902  Dec Quarter in BUILTH  Volume 11B  Page 68   
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 23 February 18 17:57 GMT (UK)
Parents are David Edmondes Owen & Amy Laura Constance Owen
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Tuesday 27 February 18 16:01 GMT (UK)
I have been looking for a death for Annie's son Leonard William born 1909 Colchester. There is a death registration for a Leonard Spencer age 5 in 1915 Croydon that I am wondering about. I have been trying to match up 1910 births +/- 1 yr to the 1915 death registration. There are 3 births that I am having trouble finding a death for after 1915 and hope someone can help.
Leonard Douglas Spencer born Dec 1909 Wandsworth. 1911 census gives Tooting as place of birth.
Leonard Akenhead Spencer born Sep 1911 Pancras
Leonard James born Dec 1911 Kensington

Thanks
Ed

Edit - Sep 1911 Pancras should be Leonard Arthur. I misread the list
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 28 February 18 16:36 GMT (UK)
Leonard Douglas Spencer born Tooting appears on the Royal Navy registers (1925)

Although birth date is slightly out there is only one birth reg for a Leonard J Spencer in Sept & Dec qtr 1911.   There are Railway records that could fit him
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Wednesday 28 February 18 16:58 GMT (UK)
Thanks rosie. That gets rid of him as a possible.
Received birth cert today for Alfred George which shows date of birth as 30 Apr 1907 Dorking which correspondes with 1979 Bristol death registration.

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 01 March 18 15:09 GMT (UK)
Birth cert for Albert John gives date of birth 8 Apr 1911 but also shows father as deceased which is incorrect. Alfred William died 22 Apr 1911. What appears to have happened is that Annie reported death of husband and birth of Albert on the same day - 24 Apr. Must have been a trying time for Annie.

Ed
Title: Re: Annie Edmonds Spencer after 1911
Post by: EdCan on Thursday 01 March 18 19:15 GMT (UK)
I know that formal adoption did not come into effect until 1927. Prior to that  date "adoption" took place between birth parent and whoever was doing the adopting. So sometime between 1911 and 1917 Annie and Thomas Pollard must have come into contact. In 1911 Annie was living in Colchester Essex and Thomas was living in Basingstoke Hampshire which are not exactly adjacent. By early 1917 Thomas was in Trowbridge with his "adopted" son. Will probably never learn how, where and when the contact between Annie and Thomas happened but it is curious.

Ed