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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Taylor111 on Saturday 24 February 18 14:09 GMT (UK)
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Hello, any help at all with this would be a huge welcome. I'm not sure if it' me being tired and just brain frozen at the moment. I pay for ancestry and forever updating my credits on Scotlands People. I have gone back 4,5,6 greats on different Scottish side, but hit a wall here, not sure what I am doing wrong? I am not a professional in any way and everything I have find is pure hobby and passion for wanting to know my family history.
So I am looking for my 2nd great grandfather Robert Wallace.
As far as I am aware he had one child my great grandmother Mary Scot Wallace,
Birth 17 AUG 1905 • Camlachie, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 15 FEB 1973 • Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Her mother Robert wife was Amelia Henderson Brand
Birth 21 NOV 1881 • Dennistoun, Lanark, Scotland
Death 20 JUN 1913 • Dennistoun, Lanarkshire, Scotland
She passed away really young, so wonder if my 2nd great grandfather re-married?
I have Amelias death certificate and he is named as the informant. But after that I have know idea about him or where and when he died.
I have Roberts parents which I got from his marriage certificate of his and Amelia's wedding,
as
Robert Wallace
Born around 1846 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, no death record
and his mother as Sarah Jane Clarke, no birth or death yet, but again have Robert and Sarah's marriage certificate too, can make out her father but not much else, I'm not to good at reading old records :-(
Hopefully there is enough for someone who might help me find my x2 great grandfather born about 1880.
Thanks guys :-)
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Hi ,
1881 Census(LDS)
598 Gallowgate St , Glasgow , Lanark.
Robert Wallace 33 baker bread b. Kilmarnock Ayrshire
Sarah Jane Wallace 29 wife b. England
Mary Ann Wallace 3 daur b. Glasgow Lanark
Robert Wallace 9m son b. Glasgow Lanark
Will have a look for later records.
ev
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Thank you. I have the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census records. I have his marriage to Amelia and Amelia death record too. I am struggling to find what happened to him after her death.
His parents are a little burly too, but more so his mother Sarah as she was born in England so looking for her too.
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From the 1911 Census index , 644/2 11/28
Camlachie , Lanark.
Robert Wallace 63
Sarah Jane Clan(Clark?) Wallace 59
Sarah Jane Wallace 18
Robert Wallace 30
Archie Henderso(n) Wallace 29 (says female , Amelia?)
Robert Wallace 8
Worth a look I would think :-\
ev
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I pay for ancestry and forever updating my credits on Scotlands People.
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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I have Roberts parents which I got from his marriage certificate of his and Amelia's wedding, as
Robert Wallace Born around 1846 in Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, no death record
and his mother as Sarah Jane Clarke, no birth or death yet, but again have Robert and Sarah's marriage certificate too, can make out her father but not much else, I'm not to good at reading old records
If you can't read it because it's a poor quality image, contact Scotland's People using the link in the web site when you view the certificate, and they will re-scan it.
If it's a good enough image and you are just struggling with the handwriting, post part of it here and see if we can read it.
Hopefully there is enough for someone who might help me find my x2 great grandfather born about 1880.
He was 9 months old on the day of the 1881 census. Therefore he was born in 1880. There are four recorded births of Robert Wallaces in Glasgow in the index at SP
Robert, Camlachie, 644/2 921
Robert Stewart, Kelvin, 644/9 719
Robert Stewart, Bridgeton, 644/1 1650
Robert Millar, Camlachie, 644/2 352
(I suspect there is just one Robert Stewart Wallace, registered twice, but I could be wrong)
Have you looked at any of these birth certificates?
There is no death of a Sara* Cl*rk*, other surname W*l*c*, in the SP index. Therefore (barring a really creative spelling of Wallace), she did not die in Scotland. In which case, perhaps both Roberts (senior and junior) also died outside Scotland?
BTW the original of the 1911 census should tell you where in England Sarah Jane Clarke was born. Have you looked at that?
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From the 1911 Census index , 644/2 11/28
Camlachie , Lanark.
Robert Wallace 63
Sarah Jane Clan(Clark?) Wallace 59
Sarah Jane Wallace 18
Robert Wallace 30
Archie Henderso(n) Wallace 29 (says female , Amelia?)
Robert Wallace 8
I have just ordered the 1911 census, but I can only see Robert and Sarah, it is defiantly my 3rd great grandparents as he was a baker and it mentions it on the 1911 census also. Not sure where you saw the other names?
Worth a look I would think :-\
ev
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Forfarian thank you for that, but I am a novice and your message has confused me, sorry I am still in training trying to learn how to go about and understand things :-)
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Regarding the 1911 census image you viewed, were Robert and Sarah's name at the bottom of the page? It could be the household was split over two pages (pain when this happens as you have to use more credits to view the second page :-\).
When your g grandmother Mary married (in Scotland?), what did she say about her father Robert (alive or deceased for example?). Any family names as witnesses?
Monica
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If that is the right entry for Robert and Amelia with his parents, wonder where you g granmother was? Only an 8yr old Robert Wallace is showing on the listing (need to be confirmed with the original image of course. The index seems to show 6 rather than 8 I think).
Monica
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There is a death for a Robert Wallace aged 78 (mother's maiden name BRAND) in 1983 in Glasgow. Looks likely the 1911 info from Ev is the right family details (except you have young Mary not seemingly showing so far on there...).
Monica
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This is really confusing me :o
So the 1911 census i have just brought, thanks to Eve for finding it :-)
It has my 3rd great grandfather and his wife Sarah at 42 and again it is him as it says baker and it has Sarah as Sarah Jane Clark Wallace and Clark was her maiden name.
Further up it has,
What looks to be my 2nd great granfather also Robert Wallace.. It has Amelia Henderson (something) And my 2nd great grandfathers wife was Amelia Henderson Brand,, so that all matches, also the number of year there married, that matches what I have too.
It is confusing me as it has a son age 6 named Robert , but my great grandmother Mary Scot Wallace who was born in 1905 to Robert and Amelia is not on there ?? The other name on there says Sarah Jane age 18 which would make sense as Robert had a sister Sarah Jane Wallace who was born in 1883 which would make her 18 in 1911.
So could Robert be a very bad mis-spelling ? where's my great grandmother :-(
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Did you miss my post above....
There is a death for a Robert Wallace aged 78 (mother's maiden name BRAND) in 1983 in Glasgow. Looks likely the 1911 info from Ev is the right family details (except you have young Mary not seemingly showing so far on there...).
There certainly does look to have been a son called Robert given those details from SP. It is too recent a death to view the image online. Maybe his birth would help,
Monica
ADDED: Only two births for a Robert Wallace in Camlachie mid 1900s, one in 1903 and more likely one in 1904. Assumes the Wallaces were living in Camlachie throughout this period.
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When Robert Wallace married Sarah Jane Clarke 17/6/1874 Glasgow her parents are given as Adam Joseph Clarke, Druggist and Mary Clarke, nee Wilson.
Adam Joseph Clarke married Mary Ann Wilson in the June quarter 1844 Sculcoates Regn. District, Yorkshire.
The 1851 census for Kingston upon Hull shows Adam H (as transcribed on Ancestry but should be J) Clarke, Chemist and Druggist, bc.1824 Boston, Lincolnshire - wife Mary Ann born Hull.
Adam Joseph Clarke b.25/2/1824, bp.4/4/1824 Methodist Chapel, Red Lion Street, Boston, Lincolnshire, son of Joseph and Eliza.
1841 Census, New Sleaford, Lincolnshire has Joseph Clarke 45 Druggist, Eliza Clarke 40, Adam 15 (ages round down in 1841), Mary 15, Fanny 14 and Richard 12 - all born Lincolnshire.
Sarah Jane Clarkes' birth reg'd Mar.qtr.1852 Sculcoates mmn Wilson.
The Clarke family are in Scotland by 1861.
Annette
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So I have just double checked my great grandmother again, yes defiantly born Mary Scot Wallace and she was born 17 AUG 1905 • Camlachie, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Death 15 FEB 1973 • Dunbartonshire, Scotland
Her only child my grandmother is still alive today, but she never mentioned a uncle ever.. She's not well lately and I don't want to press her, as I live in the east midlands and she still lives in Scotland.
I had a choice of two Robert Wallaces being born in the ame area in 1904, lucky I seem to of choose the right one.. sure enough it has father as Robert wallace and mother as Amelia henderson brand!
So strange all this is...
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The 1911 census shows for a couple how long married and how many children they had had (alive and deceased) What does it say on Robert and Amelia's entry?
Monica
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The 1911 census shows for a couple how long married and how many children they had had (alive and deceased) What does it say on Robert and Amelia's entry?
Monica
I have just checked.. more confusing now, it says years married 7 which matches the wedding record I have..
But... Children it says 3 born alive and 3 still living ..... who's the 3rd :-/
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Birth of a David Brand Wallace in Camlachie in 1907. From here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778744.0 Amelia's parents were David Brand and Mary Scott. Good fit with Scottish naming pattern.... ::)
A David Wallace died in Lennoxtown in 1998, aged 91.
Monica
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Birth of a David Brand Wallace in Camlachie in 1907. From here www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=778744.0 Amelia's parents were David Brand and Mary Scott. Good fit with Scottish naming pattern.... ::)
A David Wallace died in Lennoxtown in 1998, aged 91.
Monica
I have just done that search myself and wondered and just came to ask option ha ha, Going to buy the birth record now... probably won't be now ???
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We live in hope with this type of research ::) ;) Fingers crossed x Then we need to find David and Mary!
Monica
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I don't believe it.... Yes this is the 3rd child! Oh my... I just rang my mum as I know when I started about 7 years ago and my grandmother was extremely sound minded, she said her mother was a only child..
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I have Amelia's parents david and mary, she died young too and he re-married. He was a police constable
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With all of Annette's great info on the Clark family, Robert's maternal line through Sarah Jane, could Amelia have had one more child?
JOSEPH ADAM CLA(rk?) WALLACE 1913
644/2 429
Camlachie
When did Amelia die and what was the cause of death for her?
Monica
ADDED: Sorry, you mentioned already Amelia died in 1913. What did she die from?
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Hey...think you might have missed these posts from your other thread ::)
Mary Wallace (age 5) is with her grandparents David and Alice Brand in 1911. They are in Camlachie 644/2 28/13. There is also a David Wallace age 3 listed with them. Possibly David Brand Wallace born Camlachie 1907. He appears to have died in Lennoxtown in 1998 age 91.
Isobel
Monica
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Ignore ref to a Joseph Adam Clark Wallace. There is a matching death for him I think in 1989 in Glasgow. Mother's maiden name is showing as PARK.
Monica
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Ignore ref to a Joseph Adam Clark Wallace. There is a matching death for him I think in 1989 in Glasgow. Mother's maiden name is showing as PARK.
Monica
He is my 3rd great uncle :-) his mother was Christina park who married Joseph Adam Clark Wallace who was son to Sarah Jane Clark and Robert Wallace :-)
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Ok. He is sorted then ;)
So, you now have Robert and Amelia and their 3 children, Robert, Mary and David. You also have their 1911 census entries sorted now. Possible leads on deaths for Robert and David will hopefully let you work to back to their marriages etc.
Can I ask, following Amelia's death in 1913, have you checked the two marriages in Camlachie from 1913-20 for a Robert Wallace? Just thinking with young children and a widower, he may have married and remained in Camlachie.
From earlier, you have your g grandmother Mary's marriage cert? If so, what did it say?
Monica
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Forfarian thank you for that, but I am a novice and your message has confused me, sorry I am still in training trying to learn how to go about and understand things :-)
Apologies. Which bit(s) are confusing you?