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Title: Who is this lady?
Post by: Abygail on Monday 26 February 18 11:52 GMT (UK)
A friend discovered this photo behind another photo and is wondering who she is.  Was she the bride of her uncle, William Goldman or is it coincidence that the photo is in the same frame?  William Goldman was a Pilot Officer and was listed as missing over the North Sea on the 15 Nov 1941 along with the rest of the crew on the aircraft he was in.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 26 February 18 11:56 GMT (UK)
What a beautiful photo..have you looked on Ancestry for matching trees of William to see if any members have her in their tree?
Carol
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 26 February 18 12:04 GMT (UK)
It doesn't mention a wife here:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1798501/goldman,-william/

Carol
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Abygail on Monday 26 February 18 12:16 GMT (UK)
I have been through the BMD records for Australia and the UK without any joy.  Just found the newspaper notice re his assumed death 1942.  The is no mention of a wife so it is pure speculation..
He trained in Canada so that is where I'm looking next.  Have no idea re the identity of the young bride.  Can anyone give me some information re her style of gown,  I thought it was a bit too grand for a war time dress but if it was a family heirloom that is different.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Rufous Treecreeper on Monday 26 February 18 12:35 GMT (UK)
I think probably 1920s or 1930s.  For more information try posting the photo on the photo dating board here on Rootschat.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Ruskie on Monday 26 February 18 12:39 GMT (UK)
I think probably 1920s or 1930s.  For more information try posting the photo on the photo dating board here on Rootschat.

I had the same thought about the date.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 26 February 18 13:13 GMT (UK)
I agree with the suggested date too.
Carol
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Abygail on Tuesday 27 February 18 04:08 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the suggestion re the photo dating site.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 27 February 18 05:42 GMT (UK)
Marriage between niece and uncle is not legally permitted in Australia.
Sue


Ah!! Sorry ::)
I just got it ;D

You mean the wife of your friend's uncle who was William GOLDMAN.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Abygail on Tuesday 27 February 18 06:05 GMT (UK)
Comment from sparrett - where did you get the idea of niece / uncle marriage?  I haven't made any reference to such a union.  What I am trying to achieve is to identify the bride, the only possible connection to William Goldman is, as I originally said -her photo was behind his photo in the same picture frame.
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 27 February 18 06:14 GMT (UK)
A friend discovered this photo behind another photo and is wondering who she is.  Was she the bride of her uncle, William Goldman or is it coincidence that the photo is in the same frame?  William Goldman was a Pilot Officer and was listed as missing over the North Sea on the 15 Nov 1941 along with the rest of the crew on the aircraft he was in.

I think the confusion relates to this -: You ask if the woman was the bride of William Goldman.
William Goldman was your friend's uncle.  :)

I originally read it the same way as Sparrett did -: "was she the bride of her uncle William Goldman" - it sounds like you are asking if the girl was the bride of her own uncle ... :)

Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: judb on Tuesday 27 February 18 07:12 GMT (UK)
There is an obit here with some family information which your friend probably already has - no mention at all of a wife.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11994361

The family death notice for William here
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11994203

Judith
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 27 February 18 07:38 GMT (UK)
Comment from sparrett - where did you get the idea of niece / uncle marriage?  I haven't made any reference to such a union.  What I am trying to achieve is to identify the bride, the only possible connection to William Goldman is, as I originally said -her photo was behind his photo in the same picture frame.

Perhaps you did not note that I amended my original post with an apology.
Something in the phrasing was a little ambiguous to me, hence the comment.

Misunderstandings do happen from time to time.
No need to worry.
I do understand your friend's uncle was William GOLDMAN.

Sue
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: judb on Tuesday 27 February 18 07:39 GMT (UK)
Probably not his sister Gwen according to this description of her wedding dress, 1933
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/11722380

Judith
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 27 February 18 07:44 GMT (UK)
HI 
Could  it be a photo of  his  mother? 

Jenn
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 27 February 18 08:38 GMT (UK)
Looking again at the quality of the image, it looks like a print rather than a photo which would be glossy, I think it is most likely that it is a stock photo that came with the frame when purchased.
Carol
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 27 February 18 12:24 GMT (UK)
Would they have had stock photos back in those days  ... 30s,40s, even 50s depending on the age of the frame of course?
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 27 February 18 13:32 GMT (UK)
I have a sweetheart brooch from WW1 with a stock photo of a lady inside which was identified as such by Jim. Also, we don't know when the Uncle's photo was put in the frame.
Just a suggestion not a fact.
Carol
Title: Re: Who is this lady?
Post by: Ruskie on Tuesday 27 February 18 21:59 GMT (UK)
true Carol ... maybe Abygail can take a photo of the frame itself (back and front?). :-\