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Title: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Monday 26 February 18 21:22 GMT (UK)
From a marriage certificate of 1866, is certainly a place in Germany but could be a town or city or village which had since vanished or been renamed or rezoned, etc. Also could just be a mis-hearing or phonetic writing by the person writing out the form. Either way a friend who is good with old hand writing couldn't figure it out. For comparison, the 2, 3 and four words are 'Germany' 'Liverpool' and 'England'.
Any help appreicated.
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: sami on Monday 26 February 18 21:51 GMT (UK)
Wondered about Ostherne. But couldn't find anything like that in various town/place listings.

sami
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 26 February 18 21:51 GMT (UK)
Oettern?
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 26 February 18 21:55 GMT (UK)
Wondered about Ostherne. But couldn't find anything like that in various town/place listings.

sami

Maybe Ost Herne?
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: sami on Monday 26 February 18 23:29 GMT (UK)

Maybe Ost Herne?


That's an interesting idea. There is a Herne, North Rhine-Westphalia. If Ost is East then that sounds possible.

sami
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Tuesday 27 February 18 00:06 GMT (UK)
Thanks-
Sounds like workable theory, as opposed to blank expression I have had so far trying to figure it out.


Aden
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: sami on Tuesday 27 February 18 01:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Aden:

Not sure where your research is, but perhaps you could get more information from census returns.

sami
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: Peonie on Tuesday 27 February 18 04:56 GMT (UK)
How about Dortmund?  Gommern?

Here is some help. http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Lese/Kanzlei2.htm  As you can see the first letter can be O, D, G or even S. Check it against places in : http://www.verwaltungsgeschichte.de/ortsbuch39.html

Good luck,  Peonie
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: CarolA3 on Tuesday 27 February 18 09:08 GMT (UK)
At first glance I see 'Catherine' but that's probably no help :-\

Carol
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Thursday 08 March 18 06:30 GMT (UK)
It's general genealogy research, not a lot of information on the man in question, hoped the mysterious place name might help with narrowing census forms or other such data to a more exact geographical area.
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Tuesday 19 June 18 10:07 BST (UK)
Still trying to get some opinions, have had a lot of folk suggest useful things, the minister writing it was likely working phonetically from the words of a first generation German immigrant, so it might be 'the something' or another variation. It might also be a place now entirely gone or in another region, country or under a new name.
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Tuesday 19 June 18 10:12 BST (UK)
where is the best place to view census data for Germany?

I think Sami's suggestion  Ost Herne  might be closest, a few people have suggested a similar thing outside of Roots. The hand writing page was very useful also.

Thanks-
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Tuesday 19 June 18 10:14 BST (UK)
sorry, should have correctly acknowledged matthewj64 for the original Herne comment
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: Regorian on Tuesday 19 June 18 11:03 BST (UK)
There is a town/village called Gothern(e) on the Baltic coast of Sweden.

This Link refers, but I can't get the translation.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=9OdAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=gotherne+germany&source=bl&ots=BzRwugwwT2&sig=fIO0a0szJsH5NNqjQsishdjejro&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwip0OWVu9_bAhXOe8AKHWMTAtwQ6AEIODAB.

Seems to be linked to Sweden, Denmark and Germany. 
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: Winslass on Tuesday 19 June 18 16:07 BST (UK)
  I think it may be Osterne

 You can find the town (or village) on Google Maps.

 

 

Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Tuesday 19 June 18 23:03 BST (UK)
Osterne sounds very likely. It could be misheard and then written Oathene or something like it I imagine.-thanks for the lead
it's not an option google maps offer in my original searches either.
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 20 June 18 01:26 BST (UK)
Wondered about Ostherne. But couldn't find anything like that in various town/place listings.

sami

Maybe Ost Herne?


Oettern?

Hello

In old handwriting that first letter was also similar to a capital "C".

So starting letter O or C?


I presume there is not another capital letter formed the same, on the whole document?


'G' is obviously formed in Germany and not the same.

If begining 'C' then the word looks in Engish to read:- Catharne / Cathame or Cothame / Cotharne or Cotherne

Köthen
Catham for Chatham

But I would like to hear a German pronunciation, that gives me that word as spelt in the country where it was written down (recorded).

Mark
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Wednesday 20 June 18 01:59 BST (UK)
It does look a little like Catherine when you first look at it.
Title: Re: Germany Town or City Name
Post by: adenshillito on Wednesday 20 June 18 02:35 BST (UK)
"I presume there is not another capital letter formed the same, on the whole document? "

No, and that given O (if that is what it is) looks very truncated around the edge, like maybe the scan has reduced or lost detail, a flick or a corner, like its incomplete.