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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: dennford on Saturday 06 August 05 07:04 BST (UK)
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As a young boy I was always led to believe that my grandmother Hepzibah Daykin/Hall was related to Florence Nightingale, something that I have always kept at the back of my mind even though I viewed such statements with a grain of salt.
However I recently found that my mothers cousin while tracing the Flavell family history is of the opinion that there may be some probability behind the myth. Also the name Nightingale occurs as a middle name with several of my ancestors on the Daykin / Hall side of the family. And the Nightingale/Shore Family definately have Derbyshire connections. All facts which by themselves are meaningless as are many of the individual bits and pieces. Put together though they say to me that I should either prove or disprove it.
If anyone out there can help me to be able to brag or alternatively sit in a corner in embarresed silence please do so.
Denn
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As an addendum to my post of a few moments ago the Nightingale link seems to be getting more complex yet more likely to be leading somewhere.
One of my contacts, Dennis Flavell found a number of interesting NIGHTINGALE connectionsand has given permission to post them, as follows:
John NIGHTINGALE = Mary Ellen HALL 1875 Duffield.
Sarah NIGHTINGALE = Isaac JACKSON (one of D Flavells surnames) 1829 Crich
William NIGHTINGALE = Mary LOWE (one of D Flavells DBY names) 1696 Crich.
Ann DAKIN = Simon HALL 1745 Sudbury.
Anna DAKIN = Thomas HALL 1700 Hope.
Anna NIGHTINGALE = Joseph WESTWOOD (D Flavells) 1807 Duffield.
Most interestingly Mary NIGHTINGALE = Charles DAYKIN, 17 Feb.1834 at
Alfreton. With this marriage in mind I found the bapt.of Eliza DAKIN dau. of Charles and Mary for 10 July 1835 at Alfreton, a birth previous to the birth of Cornelius DAYKIN (also the child of Charles and Mary dated 1835 but at Birchwood)
Florence Nightingale SHORE b. of Offley Bohun SHORE and Anna Maria ---,at Holy Trinity, Clifton, DBY, in 1866. This Clifton is near Ashbourne. This birth/bapt. to me shows a NIGHTINGALE / SHORE connection.
Jane SHORE = William DAKIN at Matlock about 1709/10. I think this is too far back in time to be a possibility, but!
Ann SHOREA (sic) = Thomas DAKIN at St.Alkonds,Derby in 1834 (could be a SHORE).
Then a strong candidate is the following :
Thomas SHORE = Hannah PLATTS in 1808 at St.Peter, Derby.
Sarah SHORE of Thomas + Hannah b.1815 All Saints, Derby.
William SHORE of Thomas + Hannah b. 1820 All Saints, Derby.
Elizbeth SHORE of Thomas + Ann b 1822 All Sants,Derby.
John SHORE of Hannah SHORE (Could father Thomas have died by then?) b. 1826 at Heage, DBY ( 4 miles SW of Alfreton).
As I am very much a beginner at this game if anyone has knowledge of any of the above families please let’s follow the leads
Denn
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Hi Denn
I have Thomas Ralph Burrows married Florence Nightingale Chambers 2 Jul 1923. After marriage they lived in Beeston, Nottinghamshire where I live and I remember them fairly well.
She was born 31 May 1897.
I have the GRO reference number so I will send off for her certificate but I am also in touch with her son, M, who according to Family Tree Maker is my 1st cousin once removed. (I am useless at this, he is my grandads brothers son.) I will write to M (obviously still living so I won't give his name) and ask him what he knows about his mothers family if you would like me to. I am fairly sure they are from Derby/Ilkeston area as her birth was registered at Basford which covers the Notts/Derbys border.
Jane
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Denn
By the way where are your Hall family from as I have a Hall aswell.
Jane
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Just to add the below (in case not known) as I had seen the above name before.
From the Commonwealth War Graves site:-
Shore
Florence Nightingale
Rank/Title/Service Number: Sister
Unit/Force: Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service
Place/Date of Birth:
Place/Date of Death: 16/1/20
Age:
Place of Burial/Memorial: United Kingdom; Middlesex; Westminster City Cemetery; (now Hanwell Cemetery) A. 6449
Remarks: Daughter of Offley Shore of Norton Hale, Derbyshire. A kinswoman of Florence Nightingale she served nearly 5 years as a Nursing Sister. CWGC
Stuart
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many thanks and I will try to digest that info' and get back. In the meantime my Hall family originated from Nettleton in Wiltshire prior to moving north sometime between 1860-1880, They then appear at Woodhouse mill and Albert Hall married Matilda Daykin/dakin, it seems to be the Daykin family that have the Nightingale connecton.
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Denn
Hall is not related but the FN probably is.
Jane
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Hi Jane
Just following up a post from a while ago, did you ever follow up that Nightingale lead from your somekind of cousin? I've chased a few blind alleys but without any luck.
Denn
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Hi there
Just as a follow up, I thought it would be nice to let everyone who has had input into this and a couple of other daykin threads that it did turn out tht Trevor and I are some kind of cousin - we both share the same 3rd g parents- Samuel Daykin and Mary walker.
Many thanks to you all
Denn
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Denn
There's a good website here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~thelamp/home%20page.htm
i found a george binks ( one of mine) also related to her
Steve
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Thanks for that Steve, I shall look at that and get back to you.
Denn
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I have spent the past hour going through this but although there appears to be many tempting lines I can't find anything definate - mind you I am pretty hopeless at this game so maybe I can't see the wood for the trees; methinks I should stick to graphics.
Anyhow I shall keep studying the many lines.
Denn
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According to this website Florence Nightingale's father's real surname was Shore. He assumed the surname Nightingale in 1815 in order to inherit from his mother's uncle Peter Nightingale. His mother was actually an Evans - her mother was the Nightingale, the daughter of another Peter Nightingale 1705-1763 of Lea Hall Derbyshire (his son Peter appears to be childless).
So any Nightingale connection you have would have to descend from possible siblings or uncles and aunts of this Peter.
The family names you really want to show a nearer connection to Florence would be Shore or Smith - the real surname of Florence's father and her mother's surname. The Nightingale family was in reality somewhat distantly connected to Florence.
http://www.countryjoe.com/nightingale/genealog.htm
The Shore family
http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/genealogy/shore.htm
Regards
Valda
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Thanks Valda,
You're right, any relationship would be purely incidental - but it's interesting all the same.
I am getting the idea that the Nightingales are the family I want as thier name crops up fairly regularly in my family along with the Daykins, although every now and then a Shore crops up and I don't know why, I wonder if over the years various relatives have done similar to William Edward and tagged a distant relatives name on to thier own.
Denn
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Hi there Denn
I have the same problem.
My great grandma is supposed to be of some relation to FN but cannot find it anywhere. Her name was Sarah Ann(e) hardwick. Checked back and cannot find anything one generation back which is what family gossip said. She is supposed to have said that she remembered FN coming on her horse to visit them at Press Farm which is a large manor farm in Press near Ashover. Names are on the deeds as we checked with present owners when mum was still alive. Now no longer with us.
If I find anything whilst digging will let you know. Thanks
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I know exactly where you are coming from, it is something that can never be ignored - yet to prove one way or the other with so little to go on is almost impossible.
Denn
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hi dennford
have you seen this site its got a few things on the nightingales
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/
gig
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I'm interested in what you've said because when I was researching my husbands family in Norton and Greenhill there appears to be a link to the Shores who had the Meersbrook Estate and Norton. My husbands links come through Gill and Shepherd. One branch had married into the Blythes and the Shores. I know Florence Nightingale used to visit the Shores at Meersbrook in her Youth. Her father owned a mill in Carverin Derbyshire so not so far away.
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hi dennford
have you seen this site its got a few things on the nightingales
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/
gig
Sorry Gig,
I must have missed this post but yes I have visited the Wirksworth site on many an occasion and have found much to help with my ancestors who mostly come from those parts. Unfortunately it didn't help with the Nightingale link.
Duckweed,
Gill and Shepperd are a couple of names that I don't think cropped up before but I shall have a look again.
Denn
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You probably wouldn't see the names as they come in quite early. The significant name is Gill. The history of the Shores Gills Blythes and Brights are all part of a protestant pro parliamentarian movement. The Shores unfortunately lost their estates when the bank they were part of went bust and they had to see Norton Estate to the industrialist Graves. The Norton Estate now belongs to Sheffield Council apart from the house and is now called Graves Park. The Meersbrook estate was sold off in bits and houses were built there but a portion which has Meersbrook house on and the Blythes house known as Bishops house was bought by Sheffield Council and is now Meersbrook Park. The house once was used as the Ruskin Museum but is now used by the park authorities. This was the house that Florence visited. Our branch comes from the Gills and a brother of the branch that married into the Shores so its not direct line. Our branch had the small manor of Jordanthorpe. The Richer Gills could not get a male heir so their estate, the Oakes passed by marriage to the Bagshawes. There is a site about the Nightingales and the Shores but I can't remember it now.
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Duckweed,
That is great. it didn't help much as far as my family line is concerned but I know all those areas of Sheffield and never associated them with these families. A little background helps with the understanding of a place.
Denn
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Found the site I was looking for. Hope it helps. www.geocites.com/layedwyer/shore.htm
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That seems to be the wrong link, it takes me to a web hosting site.
Denn
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Maybe if I give you the title you can try getting it by Google
'Shore Family of Norton Hall /Meersbrook including FN's family'
The persons whose geocite it is is Dwyer Laye. It's a very detailed family tree of the Shores mentioning the Nightingales and other famous Shores. It's an amazing site. I do hope you reach it
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That's strange, when I googled and went ther I had no trouble yet the site address is exaclly the same as you gave
http://www.geocities.com/layedwyer/shore.htm
or are my eyes deceiving me?
Denn
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Same link. Don't know what happened there. Did you find it interesting. I found it fascinating.
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It's the http that is missing.
Yes it is most interesting. one name that crops up is Favell which is unusuall enough to be significant, My mothers first cousin is Flavell - a derivative of the same French name.
Denn
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this is my thinking:~
Florence Nightingale was born in Florence 12 May 1820 to William Edward and Frances Nightingale
William & Frances were a wealthy couple and toured Europe for 2 years on honeymoon.
Florence had an elder sister Parthenope b. 1819 in Naples
In the summer the nightingale family were based at Lea Hurst Derbyshire and in the winter they were based at Embley in Hampshire
Florence & Parthenope were tuaght at home by their cambridge educated father
can we find the marriage of William Edward Nightingale & Frances can we find their parents by finding their bapt. reocrds and then subsequent siblings?
can we find Florence father William Edward cambridge records (these should be held Either at Cambridge or at the County Record office)
can we find the fmaily in the 1841 census and then follow them through to their subsequent deaths - they may be staying with other family relatives.
Parthenope Nightingale married Earl Verny and in doing so became Lady Verny they lived at Claydon House Bucks who were their children?
is this true?
Harry VERNEY Bt. 2nd [Parents] was born 1 8 Dec 1801 in London, Grosvenor Place, London. He died 12 Feb 1894. Harry married1 Eliza Hope 2 Frances Parthenope NIGHTINGALE on 23 Jun 1858 in East Wellow, Hampshire, England.
Frances Parthenope NIGHTINGALE [Parents] died 1890. She married 1 Harry VERNEY Bt. 2nd on 23 Jun 1858 in East Wellow, Hampshire, England.
lots to explore which might lead you to a connection.
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Hello Denn
I have a Dorothy Dakin bc 1703 at Duffield. Married Joseph Robinson on 3rd Jan 1723 at Duffield. Thats all I know of them. Don't think there is a connection to your Dakins would be nice to think theres a Florence Nightingale link.
This year during our visit to our daughters in Istanbul we visited the Florence Nightingale Museum saw her room at the hospital she worked. It's now an Army Base so security is very tight. Thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
Regards Pam
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I've found some more Shores in my family who came in more recently and am trying to find if they are connected to the Shores at Norton. These Shores are mainly around Wickersley and were Quarry owners and Masons and I believe some owned pits. They seem to have had financial difficulties the same time the Norton Shores had when the bank collapsed but that could just be a coincidence. It's intriguing.
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Hi,
Not sure if you realise that "William Edward Nightingale" was actually born
"William Edward Shore", he assumed the name of Nightinghale on the death of
his Maternal Uncle Peter Nightingale, whose money he inherited.
There is also a book "Chantry Land" by Harold Armitage, first published 1910
Latest reprint was 1998 ISBN 0 906787 07 06, THIS edition has a few extra chapters.
Lots of Info on Norton, Shores other families and villages South Sheffield and North
Derbyshire.
Spendlove
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Hello
I have a copy of the 1910 Chantrey Land. If anyone wishes I will look up information
Regards Pam
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Hi
I am new to this site, but I came accross this post whilst searching for my family history on the shore family, my GGGG Grandad Matthew Shore. After doing lots of research I keep coming back to "The Shore Family of Norton Hall" which seems to have connections with this post. If anyone can help me or I can help them please get in touch.
Linz
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I'm trying to write the history of Meersbrook Hall which used to be in Norton but don't know where a Matthew fits with the Shores there. I have a Samuel Shore whose father was also Samuel Shore. Tell me what you know and I'll try looking up for you.
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Hi
Thanks for the reply. I have looked into this further and dont think its related at all!! I have gone back to 1785 with matthew shore, born in huddersfield, not Sheffield!! We do have samuels, but I dont think they are connected to this post!
Thanks though
Linz
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There is a connection with Huddersfield for the Wickersley Shores who were quarry masters.
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I will look into it but I've not found any Quarry connections yet. I have found all my relatives and confirmed them all now via google on the shore/lands family.
Thanks so much for your replies. I am new to this!!
Linz
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If you do find any quarrying or mining connections let me know because Wickersley Shores are in my family. There is also story of the Shores of Norton originally coming from Huddersfield but this is a long way back.
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Thanks I will keep you posted of my progress. I have just found this comment about my family
"Note this tree was incorporated into my Shore of Norton Hall Page- but the Joshua here was having children after Joshua Shore of "Nightingale/Shore" line died in 1766 in Sheffield. This line may find its way back and is being maintained here."
http://www.oocities.com/layedwyer/landshore.htm
(my GGGGG Grandad Matthew is about 4 people down on this link, its very hard to read the top as there is links all over it, so I am not sure if Joshua is matthews dad or brother)
Not sure if this means anything to you, I am VERY confused now!
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Obviously like me they think there may be a link but have yet to find it. I suppose it means just keep searching and who knows?
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Hello I mentioned in an earlier post that I have a copy of Chantry Land The Shore's are mentioned on several pages and there are photos of the hall. If you wish any of this info please send me a personal e-mail
Pam
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Hi Pam
That would be great, how can I get your email address?
Linz
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Hi,
Hope the following will assist some of you with your research:-
Samuel Shore of Sheffield a Merchant = Jane Sykes dau of George Sykes of Norton Staffordshire
They Had:-
Mary = 9.2.1737 John Milnes of Wakefield
Esther = Robert Milnes of Wakefield
Jane = John Finch Jnr of Dudley Worcestershire
Samuel Shore of Sheffield & Broadfield = Mary Diggles dau of Robert Diggles of Liverpool
they had:-
Hannah = Thomas Walker of Manchester
John
William = 1792 Matlock, Derbys Mary Evans, they had William Edward who
inherited the Nightingale Estates in Derbyshire, changed his name to Nightingale to inherit and was the father of Florence Nightingale.
Samuel residence "Norton Hall" = Urith Offley dau of Joseph Offley of Norton Hall
they had:- Samuel, Bohun Shore. The second Wife was Lydia Flower of Gainsboruugh, Lincolnshire no issue.
Samuel (the son of Samuel & Urith) = Harriet Fitz-Walter Foy they had:-
Sidney, Offley, Elizabeth, Harriet, Urith, Amelia and Maria.
The above information extracted from:-
Baronetage of England by William Betham 1805 which can be seen in full
on Google ~Books. The actual page number in the book is 459. There
is also full information on the Milnes family of Wakefield.
Spendlove
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I am not sure that is correct as I have another version
http://www.andrewspages.dial.pipex.com/matlock/ped/nightingale.htm
and certainly looking at the history of Norton Manor and Meersbrook Hall there is now William mentioned as a son of Samuel in any deeds or wills. The line there would seem to indicate that the Nightingale Shores were cousins to the Norton Shores. Florence did visit her relatives in Meersbrook Hall but anything I've read implies they were distant cousins. When the Norton Shores went bancrupt when their bankfailed if the Nightingales were in direct descent there would have been arguments about their inheritance. I've seen nothing of that in the archives. I have seen a letter suggesting that they should write to the Nightingales and ask for some financial aid.
The story of the Shores losing Norton and Meersbrook is very sad. There was a desperate struggle to stop the whole family ending up destitute. Offley Shore Samuel Shores juniors son went to the Chancery to plead for his aged spinster aunts allowances willed by his father to still continue by putting them as priority as Creditors. There is a letter (not known by whom) that says the old man is making himself ill and needs to accept the inevitable before he loses his sanity and his friends.
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Hi,
Just to make it clear the pedigree I listed previously stated that William Shore was the son of Samuel Shore & Mary Diggles they had 2 other surviving sons Samuel = Urith Offley and Lydia Flower, and John.
A far more detailed Shore Tree appears in "Hallamshire. The History & Topography of the Parish of Sheffield"
which can be found in Google Books Pg 219, this tree lists all children who did not SURVIVE, William Shore is
listed as the 3rd Surviving Son of Samuel Shore & Mary Diggles.
In the History of the County of Derby Vol 2 by Stephen Glover 1829, although not showing the Shore Tree
does offer confirmation that William Shore = Mary Evans not only had William Edward Shore and Mary Shore
but Ann Shore who died aged 3.
All the above children were Bpt. at Upper Ind. Presbyterian, Sheffield
William Edward born 15.2.1794 Bpt 6.3.1794
Mary born 4.2.1798 Bpt. 15.2.1798
Ann born 18.1.1797 bpt 15.2.1796
I have not researched the Shore Banking interests, however by the time the bank went bust, William Shore =
Mary Evans would have been dead and his son William Edward was probably never involved with the Bank
having inherited the Nightingale Manors in 1803 taking actual possession when he reached the age of 21
in 1815.
Hope this assists.
Spendlove
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Hello Linz
re Personal message.
Go to my Post (the one of me mentioning offer of info via personal message.
At the left hand side under Jacques etc you will see a green scroll, hover your curser over this.
A little box should come up saying "Personal message"
Click on this and type away.
Then I will get back to you.
Pam
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I have it the other way round William was father to Samuel and William Edward, Offrey was son of Samuel Junior and inherited Norton estate before father died as father moved into Meersbrook Hall. Both Samuels and Offrey lived in Norton. No William lived there. The Estate was partly sold in 1850 and the rest by Offleys son in 1896.
http://www.gravesparksheffield.info/?page_id=34
http://www.offleysociety.co.uk/nl_50.htm
http://www.oocities.com/layedwyer/norton.htm
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Hi Duckweed,
The sites you quote do not mention a William Shore, they all deal with Samuel Shore = Urith Offley, and
their children.
The William Shore = Mary Evans only had 3 children per source document bpt. records these are:-
William Edward = Frances Smith of Pardon Essex
Mary = Samuel Smith of Pardon Essex
Ann who died aged 3.
The Line I have is, I have only included your Samuel and my William, there were lots of other children in all branches:-
John Shore of Dronfield = Sarah Sims they had
Samuel = Jane Sykes they had
Samuel (of Sheffield & Broadfield Park obtained C1748) = Mary Diggles they had
Samuel eldest surviving son = Urith Offley and Lydia Flower (this line is the Norton & Meerbrook)
William 3rd surviving son = Mary Evans (this line is the Nightingale)
Think we are going to have to AGREE to DISAGREE.
Regards
Spendlove
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I think I know where the problem lies. Some family trees have mixed up the 2 Samuel Shores who owned Norton with the much further back Samuel Shore who was from Tapton. There are 3 Samuels and some trees have tried to make them into 2 or even 1. The Tapton Shores although closely related did not live or do business in Sheffield. I have seen several trees that claim William was a banker in Sheffield. I've been to the Nightingale Mill at Carver. I believe they also had an involvement in mining. I've seen no evidence of banking. I do believe people have got confused. Its not surprising I have too.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thelamp/gene/NIGHTINGALEwilliamedward.htm
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Hi,
Source document re William Shore (1752-1822) of Tapton being a Banker:-
House of Lords Sessional Papers
1812
An account of the Number of Licences for issuing Bank Notes payable on Demand,
granted in earch Year, from the year beginning 5th January 1797 to Year ending
5th January 1813; distinguishing in each year the Licences renewed from those granted
the First time
Hugh Parker of Woodthorpe Nr. Sheffield )
William Shore of Tapton Nr. Sheffield } Sheffield Bank Renewed
John Shore the Younger of Sheffield )
Ralph Blakelock of Sheffield )
Further evidence that William Shore was the brother of Samuel Shore, is contained in the Will of
Thomas Diggles of Manchester, uncle to Mary Diggles = Samuel Shore. Thomas Diggles, leaves
the children of Samuel = Mary various amounts of Money.
Samuel got £100
William got £1000
I do not know what other source documents I have will take a look.
Spendlove
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Well that works out doesn't it? Samuel has sons William and Samuel. William has William E, Samuel has son Samuel junior as he is called in records and John I think?
Thanks for the bank details as that hasn't come in my archive searches. They must not have been in same bank though as no mention of the Nightingales going under. The suggestion was they were to be asked for help.
There used to be Nightingales as scythesmith/landowners in Norton in elisabethan times, wonder if same family.
What I really would like to know is which Shore bought land in Norton Lees from Samuel Blythe. It says in Chantry Land that William did. Not sure why he would as other land nearby was bought by Samuel Shore junior and it was definitely part of the Offley Shore estates being sold in 1850, although doesn't seem to have reached its reserve at the time and was sold to Sheffield Corporation in 1890s together with Meersbrook Hall. The deeds have gone missing but am hoping that ownership was registered when the land was sold by Samuel Blythes sons to the Shores.
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Hi Duckweek,
Samuel has sons William and Samuel. William has William E, Samuel has son Samuel junior as he is called in records and John I think?
Your comment above is correct.
However the William who is said to have purchased land in 1753 from Benjamin Blythe cannot have been
William son of Samuel Shore = Mary Diggles (brother of Samuel = Urith) as he would be only abt 1 year old bpt. 1752. Have you searched enclosure records, tithe records for Norton Lees?
Also I would think that by the time "The Bank" went bust, William Edward shaw/Nightingale born 1794
had probably long given up any interest in Banks.
What was the actual name of the Bank who went bust? who were the partners? Have you searched
London Newspapers for reports on the decline of this Bank.
Spendlove
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It was a Sheffield Bank. I know that one partner was a John Parker of Norton Lees, I will have to look up my notes to tell you exact details. Much of the paperwork of Norton Estate regarding Meersbrook House and Bishops House has gone missing believed destroyed. I am trying to piece what information I can about it. The council hold the present deeds of ownership. I don't know how far back they go. I have asked to see them supported by my local councillor. I am still awaiting a reply. I would love to write the story of the Shore bancruptcy as there appears to be some interesting documents in the archives that would help write it but at the moment I am concentrating on the ownership of Bishops House and its owners. I'm pretty sure Samuel Shore Junior bought it. I suppose I could ask the land registry if it was registered when the Shores bought it but it would be easier if the council would just let me see the deeds. Meersbrook house was supposively built by William Fairbanks of the family of surveyors. I think there was an older house which he extended. It looks similar to the work he did at Tapton. I'm looking for his plans of the house to see if he mentions what he did and for whom.
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Found it. The bank was called Parker Shore. There was another bank the Sheffield Bank which had Broadbent and Roebuck in it that collapsed but Parker Shore survived for some time after till the national economic crisis at the time caused a run on the bank and it folded. Must have had a huge impact in Sheffield at the time as the bank held a lot of small businesses mortgages. This was why Offley Shore was in such a state I think because he was an honest Christian man who started the bank to teach thrift to the ordinary person instead of drinking it all away. He didn't want to declare himself bancrupt because that would mean all the little savers would lose. I think he hoped he could sell off the estates and pay off his debtors but times were hard and no one was buying.
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Well, I would like to join this link as I also have family verbal history that we are related to Florence Nightingale. Ours come from a bible given to a relative called "Mary Nightingale" who was supposed to be a cousin of Florence - although this may all be wishful thinking.
My mum would love to prove this but I have a feeling that it will go no further.
L
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Well you never know. I was told a relative of my husbands was on the Victory at Trafalgar and after several years I proved it. What other than a surname have you got?
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Hi
I think the issue still remains from the previous post
.... 'Florence Nightingale's father's real surname was Shore. He assumed the surname Nightingale in 1815 in order to inherit from his mother's uncle Peter Nightingale. His mother was actually an Evans - her mother was the Nightingale, the daughter of another Peter Nightingale 1705-1763 of Lea Hall Derbyshire (his son Peter appears to be childless).
So any Nightingale connection you have would have to descend from possible siblings or uncles and aunts of this Peter.
The family names you really want to show a nearer connection to Florence would be Shore or Smith - the real surname of Florence's father and her mother's surname. The Nightingale family was in reality somewhat distantly connected to Florence.'
Florence's only sibling was a sister.
http://www.countryjoe.com/nightingale/genealog.htm
http://www.ashover.org/nightingale.htm
The only connection to a Nightingale with Florence would have to be with any siblings of Peter Nightingale 1705-1763 who was Florence's 2 x great grandfather - so the descendants of 2 x great uncles
http://www.andrewspages.dial.pipex.com/matlock/ped/nightingale.htm
Regards
Valda
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Apart from the coincidental surname in an ancient bible and my grandmother's conviction we haven't managed to prove anything (but the family did all stem from the right bit of Derbyshire so you never know).
Who knows. Maybe one day eh?
We are apparently part french as well but although i have found a french g grandmother i can't find her ever being born!
This is all part of the fun of it.
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Hi LillyM,
So where was your Mary Nightingale, thought to be cousin of Florence Shore, born and when? Have
you found her on any census? Who where her parents etc.
Spendlove
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this message is to spendlove. You sent me a personal message about John Roades but there is no way to reply to your message. Please re-post on open forum so I can reply.
graceabides
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Hi gracebides
You cannot send personal messages (pm) on the Rootschat system and usually receive messages until you have posted three times. Replying to this post should allow you to reply to spendlove's pm.
Regards
Valda
Moderator
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Thanks for the info
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Hi!
I'm totally new to this but thought this might be a good place to begin!
Verbal history in my family suggests we are related to FN but in a rather unusual way- I would be fascinated if any light could be shed!
My Grandmother told me that her Gggg something was the adopted child of Parthenope.
I've searched to find information on P's children but can't find anything. Does anyone know if she had children and whether she may have adopted?? If so where from etc. I don't know if the link is on my gmothers's mother's side or fathers. If it's her fathers side then the family name is Hurt. She is from derby originally.
Any info would be very welcome!!
Thanks!
G
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Hi,
Think you will find that the Partenope as in "Frances Partenope Nightingale" does not originate from
a family name but is to do with where she was born i.e. Naples.
The Hurt name may have some value as the Hurt Family resided at Alderwasley just across the River Derwent
from "Lea Hurst" the summer residence of the Nightingales, this said there are many people in Derbyshire with
the surname Hurt who have no connection to the Hurts of Alderwasley.
You need to work backwards with your genealogy to see where it takes you, if you arrive at a connection
that would be wonderful.
Spendlove
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Hi
Frances Parthenope Nightingale became the second wife of Sir Harry Verney in 1858 and assumed the title Lady Verney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Parthenope_Verney
There doesn't seem to have been any children from this marriage, though there were four sons and three daughters from Sir Harry Verney's first marriage which took place in 1835.
The Verney family home was Claydon House in Middle Claydon Buckinghamshire.
Regards
Valda
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Hi Again!
Thanks for your help and guidance! I've got somewhere but have hit something of a dead end!
I worked backward and have the following names now - just wondering if anyone can see a link to the Verney's that I've missed! I've got Frederick Hurt marries Edith Kay in approx 1918 (+- 8 yrs). As far as I know, the 'nightingale' link is through the Kay side of things rather than the Hurt side. The Kays apparently lived in Gorsey Bank and the Wirksworth area. As well as Edith Kay, there was a Dora and a Kathleen. I haven't been able to find Edith Kay's parents (I found some likely contenders living in Derby but at this stage, I think the Kays were in Wirksworth).
I'm still no closer to any possible link with Frances Parthenope Verney / Nightingale. Looks less and less likely the further back I go. Any ideas very welcome (and I'm still digging this end but am not very good at it!!).
Thanks again if anyone has any ideas.
G
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Hi
The marriage certificate will give details of Edith's father and her age which will help with finding her DOB and which Edith she may be on the 1911 and possibly the 1901 census.
Marriages Sep 1919
Hurt Frederick W Kay Belper 7b 1824
Kay Edith Hurt Belper 7b 1824
You can order the marriage certificate from the General Registry Office
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Regards
Valda
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Hi Greengrb
Before you dash off for the Marriage Certificate:-
Edith Kay Baptised 20.5.1896 Wirksworth Parish Church
Dora Kay " 23.2.1898 " " "
They were the daughters of John Kay and Fanny Jane Wragg who married March Q 1894
Belper Registration District Belper 7b 838. (Wirksworth comes in the Belper Reg. dist)
John was a Tape Weaver living Gorsey Bank.
Baptism info - http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/Menu.htm#search
This is a wonderful site if your ancestors had connections to Wirksworth Area.
Civil Marriage - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
You will also discover the Birth Registration on this site for the 2 children, again in Belper District.
Hope this helps.
Spendlove
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Hi,
Have found them in the 1901 Census
RG13/3234 Folio 58 Pg 17 Wirksworth
NOTE THE SURNAME IS WRITTEN - KEY
Key John M 26 Tape Weaver Wirksworth
" Fanny J Wife 25 Brimington
" Edith dau 4 Wirksworth
Dora is not listed with them, however by 1911 Census she appear to be back with them,
however to confirm this you would have to buy credits to obtain full details of this Census.
The 1901 Census is fully transcribed on the Wirksworth Site.
Cannot find Dora on 1901 Census - Can anyone else? Her details should be
Dora Kay/Key born 1898 Wirksworth, Derbyshire.
Spendlove.
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Wow! Thanks so much for all of your help! It's so exciting!! I'm hopefully going to talk to my grandmother (daughter of Edith and Frederick hurt) tomorrow (I've been trying but haven't managed to get in touch with her yet! She should be able to fill in some blanks). I'll post what I find out.
I've now had the thought that perhaps the nightingale story may have been transfered from the hurt side to the kay side?? It does seem like they would have been more likely to mix.
Anyway, thanks again for all of your excellent info and help! I really appreciate it!
I'll keep you posted with anything interesting that turns up.
G
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Hi Again!
Having talked to the family some more, it seems that the connection is probably on the Hurt side, rather than the Kay side! I have found out that my aunt was even named Gale because of Nightingale but no one can actually pinpoint a relationship. I wonder if anyone knows if Frederick Hurt (Belper 7b 1824) was connected to the Hurts of Alderwasley. Also, I've been looking through the Verney line to see if I can see any connections to the Hurt line, but can't find any. The dates of Frederick Hurt are now contemporary with Florence so if there is a connection, I figure it can't go much further back than this.
I may be missing something!!
If anyone has access to records about the above, I'd be really interested to find out.
Thanks again!
G
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Hi,
There are a number of things you need to do to ensure you have your own correct line.
1. Purchase marriage certificate for Frederick W. Hurt = Edith Kay September Quarter 1919 Belper 7b 1824
This will give you the father of bride and groom.
2. When you have this, it should match the Kay/Key family previously given from the Wirksworth Records.
It looks as if your Frederick W. Hurt was born in Derby June Q 1896 Derby 7b 570
If this is the correct Frederick, then his Father should be:-
1901 Census
85 Whitecross Street, Derby
Hurt William Head M 34 Paper Warehouse man Worker Derby
" Sarah M Wife M 26 Woodville, Leic.
" Frederick W son s 4 Derby
" Arthur D son s 2 "
" Harry N son s 3 months "
William Hurt = Sarah Maria Dorling June Q 1894 Derby 7b 777
1891 Census
45 Devonshire Street, Derby
Hurt William Head M 50 Malster Thurgarton, Notts
" Marie wife m 51 Bleasby, Notts
" WILLIAM son S 24 Porter Derby
" Walter son S 19 Boot Repairer Derby
" Francis son S 17 Printers Labourer "
" Joseph son S 16 " (Paralysed from Childhood)
" Herbert son 13 Errand Boy "
" John son 10 Scholar "
" Emily dau 7 Wirksworth, Derbyshire
Florence Nightingale was born 12th May 1820 and died 13th August 1910 in London.
If there is any connection with the Nightingale family, then I think it must lie with the Kay/Key family from
Wirksworth.
Spendlove
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I hope someone sees this, I am new here and about 2 years after the last post on this thread!
My Grandfather was john Kay of Gorsey bank Wirksworth, my Gran Fanny Jane Kay (nee Wragg)
They had 4 daughters
Edith Born May 1896
Dora Born Feb 1898
Joan Alice born 1905 (that is not a definite date)
Margaret born Dec 1907 (My Mother) died having me in 1946
They had 2 sons
John Arnold born 1901
George Morris born Nov 1911
not sure how this works but if greengrb picks this up he will see we are related as his Aunt Gale is my cousin, I wont go much further as we are talking living people and we must respect them. I cant PM yet as I haven't done enough posts but please PM me.
Back to the Nightingale connection I worked it back from my grandmother (wragg) her mother was Mary Ann Bowmer and her mother was Jane Nightingale. I also realise I could be barking up the wrong tree and hope to prove it with documentation,trouble is pension doesn't stretch very far!
hope this is useful
John
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You must realise of course, that none of these people mentioned on this Thread have any relationship at all with FLORENCE NIGHTNGALE, simply because she had no descendants..and neither did her sisters. Her father WILLIAM SHORE adopted the name in order to inherit the Estate of (Mad) Peter Nightingale....his great uncle who died childless....
There may well be SHORE descendants, but you must consider that any family named Nightingale is likely to call a daughter Florence simply because of the fame of the original holder of the name.
As a long term researcher i can tell you that none of the Nightingales mentioned in this thread bear any relationship to Florence Nightingale........
Parthenope's marriage into the Verney family did not produce any children.
Trouble is that everybody who wants to be related to Florence refuse to accept my research..one example is where people come up with earlier Nightingales or Nightingalls fail to realise that they died out with Peter Nightingale.....before William Shore was born!
Derek.
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You must realise of course, that none of these people mentioned on this Thread have any relationship at all with FLORENCE NIGHTNGALE, simply because she had no descendants..and neither did her sisters.
Derek.
Surely that closes this thread, but at the same time we who are researching families need to investigate information that has been knocking around the family for years.
To prove things are right sometimes we follow the wrong path and that is how we learn.
John
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You must realise of course, that none of these people mentioned on this Thread have any relationship at all with FLORENCE NIGHTNGALE, simply because she had no descendants..and neither did her sisters. Her father WILLIAM SHORE adopted the name in order to inherit the Estate of (Mad) Peter Nightingale....his great uncle who died childless....
There may well be SHORE descendants, but you must consider that any family named Nightingale is likely to call a daughter Florence simply because of the fame of the original holder of the name.
As a long term researcher i can tell you that none of the Nightingales mentioned in this thread bear any relationship to Florence Nightingale........
Parthenope's marriage into the Verney family did not produce any children.
Trouble is that everybody who wants to be related to Florence refuse to accept my research..one example is where people come up with earlier Nightingales or Nightingalls fail to realise that they died out with Peter Nightingale.....before William Shore was born!
Derek.
I would agree with most of what you say - apart from your final paragraph; I imagine that most people (like myself) want to prove or disprove any connection, remembering of course that disproof can be just as important.
It also is important that this thread has led in so many directions, some which have been fruitless, while there has been some useful information come to light.
Denn
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Hi
I have a few Nightingales and Dakins in my tree (located in the Duffeld/Milford areas) - not sure it adds anything to this discussion but it may be of interest:
www.brooksfamily.name
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On a lighter note my Uncle Fred (Hurt) was a fishmonger in Derby! all those miles from the sea. I live on the coast and we don't have one!
Still checking my Nightingale theory.
John
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Hi
I have a few Nightingales and Dakins in my tree (located in the Duffeld/Milford areas) - not sure it adds anything to this discussion but it may be of interest:
www.brooksfamily.name
Can't see anything although I also have Dakin/Daykin also from Wirksworth.
Denn
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Trouble is that everybody who wants to be related to Florence refuse to accept my research..one example is where people come up with earlier Nightingales or Nightingalls fail to realise that they died out with Peter Nightingale.....before William Shore was born!
Derek.
The research that you talk about is it available to us? because it is difficult to accept something you have never seen!
John
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Hi John,
There are lots of books, however the following site give a short, but correct, tree:-
http://www.countryjoe.com/nightingale/genealog.htm
Peter Nightingale started a factory with John Smedley this still exists today at Lea & Holloway:-
http://www.johnsmedley.com/blog/tag/peter-nightingale/
http://www.johnsmedley.com/
John Smedley story is part way down the page.
Think what everyone is trying to say, without being rude, is follow your own family backwards
in doing this should you find a connection to a famous family GREAT, but just because your
name is Nightingale does not mean you are related to Nightingale of Lea & holloway.
Typical example is Nightingale family in Belper - most of whom were Nailers.
Spendlove
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Thanks Spendlove,
You haven't been rude but you have given this amateur more research options. I have always said that there is a possibility of a connection, but without spending pots of dosh I can't prove it! (pensions don't stretch that far) I worked back up the maternal line from my Grandmother Fanny Kay (nee Wragg). I do appreciate that the link may indeed be to Nailers especially as the area is Belper!
Thanks will look at the links.
John :-\ :-\ :-\
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a comment.
The Florence Nightingale was a nurse and had no children of her own...
Many folk accross the UK admired her, and as a consequence many Florence Nightingales were named. I too had heard a rumour that my kin were related to her, but upon severe investigation , the family rumour was laid to rest, it turned out one of the kin had met her but in no way was related to her or her actual family.
But it can be said she was in her day a living legend , and, not many folk can ever make that humble claim.....
but reading the replies to this post has been very enlightening.....
:)
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a comment.
The Florence Nightingale was a nurse and had no children of her own...
but reading the replies to this post has been very enlightening.....
:)
Hi fastfusion,
I have never claimed to be related directly to this lady,I am just investigating something that My Grandad believed to be truth as I said earlier sometimes we learn because we have got it wrong! I will claim nothing until I can prove it.
Thanks
John
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Trouble is that everybody who wants to be related to Florence refuse to accept my research..one example is where people come up with earlier Nightingales or Nightingalls fail to realise that they died out with Peter Nightingale.....before William Shore was born!
Derek.
Hi
is at all possible to see the research refered to above???
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Hello Jael.yes it is more than possible....you can do it all yourself by "Googling" Florence Nightingale..and following whatever scroll down links you like............You have to be patient, and clear headed....you can find almost anything,including her full genealogy..family tree etc.....and you will see that there is no modern day link..except for the descendants of Wililiam Shore's parents. Youcan find the London Gazette entry for his change of name to Nightingale..and the full story of "Mad" Peter Nightingale his great uncle..(Peter died childless) and William Shore had to change his name to Nightingale in order to inherit Peter's Property...........
...but I can assure you that the Nightingales died out with Florence...no question.
Have a good look around.and if you get into trouble, give me a shout
Derek/
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Thanks Derek,
Will do. I am just trying to prove or disprove something that my Grandfather, John Kay/key born Belper 1874 fervently believed to be the truth, my grandmother Fanny Jane Kay/Key nee Wragg was allegedly the distantly related one.
Any way I understand it will take Yonks to disprove, and I start climbing the wall and slipping off.
Thanks again
John
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Hi John,
Just have to come back to this subject and make a few comments about your family.
John Key was not born in Belper he was born Wirksworth, part of Belper Registration District.
Fanny Jane Wragg born 1875 Brimmington, the dau of John Wragg born 1845 Bakewell = Ann Bowmer born 1853 Wirksworth.
In 1891 Census Fanny J Wragg is living with her G.parents Bowmer in Wirksworth.
Lots of families have stories, ignore the story and follow your own family back in time.
Good Luck
Spendlove
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Thanks Spendlove,
As I knew my Grandfather I did know he was born in Wirksworth, I said Belper because that is the registration district.
Anyway I have now found the name Nightingale and have started the arduous task of seeing if it links in any distant way.
I do not expect any relationship to be proved but will learn a lot along the way!
my thanks
John
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I have been busy and working back from my Grandmother I have somethig like this,
Born in 1844 in Bakewell Derbyshire, John Wragg was lodging at Marsden House, Brimington in 1871, single man, aged 28. It would appear he married two girls named Bowmer, Mary Ann and Ann Bowmer. His first wife, Mary Ann was the daughter of Hugh & Jane Bowmer (nee Nightingale) who he married in June qtr 1873 GRO ref 7b 1143 Chesterfield district. His second wife, Ann Bowmer in Sept qtr 1880 GRO ref 7b 797, Belper district was the daughter of Benjamin & Elizabeth Bowmer (ne Roper) {she was Mary Ann's aunt}. The marriage took place at The Congregational Church & Chapel of Wirksworth. Witnesses to the marriage were John Bowmer (brother of bride) and Susannah Shenton. All parties signed the register themselves. The couple can be found in the 1881 census with two children, Fanny Jane Wragg, 6, and Samuel Wragg, 4 (children of the first marriage) living at Burnell St., Brimington. Ann Bowmer was John's second wife as he was a widower at the time of their marriage, aged 34 years, the son of Samuel Wragg Labourer. In 1891 John Wragg and Ann were resident at 1 Brook Terrace, Matlock. John was aged 47, Ann 38. There is an additional child in the household, Annie E Wragg aged 6, born Brimington. Fanny Jane Wragg is missing from the household at this time but can be found on the night of the 1891 census in the household of Hugh & Jane Bowmer, aged 11, described as "granddaughter". By 1901 John & Ann Wragg were back at Wirksworth, at Steeple Grange, living with daughter Annie E. John was aged 57, Ann 46 and Annie E, 16. Throughout his lifetime John Wragg was described as "Labourer, Gas Works, Gas Maker,Gas Stoker & Labourer and a Fireman.
It is through Mary Ann Wragg nee Bowmer that the name Nightingale comes up, I cannot see any way that there is a relationship to FN because the name should be Shore.
Will keep you posted, as obviously I now need to double check all.
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I think you are driving yourself up so many blind alleys in your determination to find a link that just does not exist, that you are losing control of what is relevant and what isn't.
Having ascertained that JANE BOWMER wife of Hugh, was in fact a Nightingale, and the ONLY Nightingale anywhere in your family...........you should be aware that she was baptised 31.08.1828 at Wirksworth..daughter of JOSEPH and ELLEN NIGHTINGALE................In 1841 they were living at Cromford.
I suggest that your one and only hope is to get back far enough into the pedigree of Joseph (born 1806)...in the forlorn hope that it might link with the earlier family of "Mad" Peter Nightingale..the last of his particular line......I have done this so many times in the past for people who refuse to accept that there are other Nightingale/Nightingall families in and around Derbyshire who have no relationship with Florence Nightingale..who of course was only of that name because her father changed his name to Nightingale by Deed Poll..in order to inherit property from his great uncle Mad Peter.........who died childless
.............but if you want to spend the rest of your life chasing shadows...........good luck.
Derek.
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Derek
Have just read your very blunt reply, I have never claimed to be related I just was proving or disproving something my Grandad took to be fact.
I will carry on but I doubt I will visit this site again, I did think that you may be of help, but to tell me I am losing control of relevance is downright rude.
As for MAD Peter he was a bit reckless horse riding and gambling but a very succesful business man who built a smelting business and a couple of mills, not so MAD!!!
John
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I am here to help..nothing else...and nothing I said was meant to be rude..nor can it in any be construed as rude...........some of have been on this question for years..and people ignore or reject perfectly good HARD WORK.as I inferred.but by all means carry on searching..as long as you don't' as some do create a link that is not there. I do get annoyed sometimes, but that is probably because I find on other Trees I find my own mother buried in three different American States......when in fact I buried her in Bristol UK.
Sorry if you take my earlier reply any other than the way it was meant.
Derek.
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Oh.and by the way....if you read the Literature..he was known...in his time..as Mad Peter...which as you may agree can be a synonym for reckless....
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Yes I HAVE read the literature, but you do keep saying MAD PN when that was a nickname, you always make it sound as if he needed treatment.
In my previous post which you obviously did not read i wrote as follows
"It is through Mary Ann Wragg nee Bowmer that the name Nightingale comes up, I cannot see any way that there is a relationship to FN because the name should be Shore"
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I found this thread via google when trying to find some info on Nightingales in the derby area,I have thoroughly enjoyed myself reading through it I am hoping that someone might be able to assist me, I am struggling and seem to be at a brick wall with my research at a Joseph Nightingale. Joseph would be my 4Th great grandfather. I have found a Joseph born 1806- 1850, father named Richard. I am not altogether sure its the right Joseph as there is little or no information on him, it certainly looks as if the dates match roughly but I had guessed he died between 1851 and 61, as he must have passed away quite young also as he never appears on a census with his wife, Mary Calvert, But she is still down as married on the 1851 census, widowed on the following one. The other night I took a step backwards and went back to looking at the children that they had it was only then that I discovered that 3 of the 7 children were actually registered as Shore Nightingale, (the mums maiden name is Calvert). This took me a bit by surprise, so now I am thinking that perhaps the reason I am struggling to find information about Joseph Nightingale is the name change at some point in time ? So rather than chasing a nightingale connection I should perhaps be looking at shores? I have read all about the nightingales and shores from the fantastic links provided in this thread. I just don't know how to tie it all together. I am not totally happy about the name of Richard for his dad either, it just doesn't seem to fit in somehow, you know how you get a pattern in families, for example lots of Joseph, Thomas, Mary down the lines, this is mainly how my research has been until Richard turned up. It just doesn't seem to sit right. I would dearly love to get further back than my 4Th great grandfather, if anyone has any information or could point me in the right direction I would be most grateful. Just for the record, I am not one bit bothered about findling Florence, I would just like to get back a bit further in time. Thank you for your time.
Kind Regards
Kath
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Hi,
Think it best in order to receive help you give us more detail of the family.
Date of marriage and where
Names and Bpt of children and where
Census details you have
With this info we can all start looking.
Spendlove
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Hi
Is this the correct marriage for your Joseph
Joseph nightingale = Mary Calvert. (Batch & Spinster)
20 Feb 1830 Duffield derbyshire
Witness
William Nightingale & Ellen Nightingale
Neither bride, groom or witnesses could write they all made their mark.
There were Nailers in Belper withe the name Nightingale so is census info you have In Belper ?
Spendlove
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Thank you spendlove for your reply.
Joseph Nightingale Born about 1800- 1806 He never appears on the census with his wife although I did find him , if it is him on a census 1841 in Darton, yorkshire listed as a nailer, 35 Years with a benjamin Nightingale aged 24 years.
Mary Calvert born 1808 Crich Baptised 24 April died Oct 1881 Daughter of Thomas Calvert 1780 and Ann Fox
Joseph Nightingale Married Mary Calvert at Duffield 20 Feb 1830
Children Ann Nightingale Born 1830, Stafford ,Burton on tent
John Nightingale 8 April 1832 Crich, Derby Died 1835
Thomas Nightingale 13 June 1834 Crich, Derby Died 24 June 1839 Born Belper Union
John Nightingale 1836 Crich, Derby
Thomas Nightingale 10 June 1840 -1900
Martha Nightingale April 1842 Crich, Derby
Mary Ann Nightingale 21 Feb 1845
Apologies it is his son ,Thomas Nightingale 1834, children who I found with the Shore Nightingale registration His wife is Mary Ann Waller
Thomas is my 3x great grand father it is him that had children registered under Nightingale shore
Mary Jane shore Nightingale 1870 April, Barrow, Ulverstone
Ann shore Nightingale 19 Oct 1868, Barrow in furness
That is the right marriage you found, I do not know how William Nightingale fits either. I am most grateful for any help. The census for his family are turnpike side, Crich.
Thank you
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Hi,
I offer the following info, because Joseph & Mary married in Duffield and were of that parish, I know this does not necessarily mean they were born there but given Joseph was a Nailor and you know that Mary was from Crich and their first son John Bpt crich 1832 but born in Belper which follows tradition of child being Bpt in Mother’s Parish. Then the names of his siblings appear to fit in with witnesses to his marriage and names he gives to his own children. Anyway hope you will consider:
John Nightingale = Mary Oldfield 26.20.1789
They had Bpt:-
18.11.1798. William. (Possible marriage witness)
13.9.1805. John
19.3.1807 JOSEPH
9.9.1810. Ellen. “. “. “
22.3.1812 Martha
There are other children born to this couple some who died young.
The above are from Ancestry who have the Bpt at St. Peter’s Belper, this is incorrect St Peter’s was not built until 1825.
They actually took place at St. John’s, Belper built abt 1250, no marriages took place at St Johns these would have been in Duffield.
If you do not have access to Ancestry you can usually access at a Library.
Let me know what you think
Regards
Spendlove
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Hi Spendlove
Thank you very much for this information, I think it looks like the most likely, the family names are the same as those I already have and I do happen to know, or have been told that there was a William within the family that I have not yet come across. I cannot understand why I haven't managed to find this information previously. I suppose once you go the wrong way its hard to undo. I just knew after following the Richard as the father link, it didn't feel right to me. I didn't know about the tradition of going to the mothers parish for the first baptism. I am most grateful for your help, I will go and investigate these findings. I have a short time left on my ancestry account before it expires thank fully I have a couple of weeks to explore. Once again thank you very much. I will let you know if I come across more information on the shore nightingale birth registrations. Once again thank you very much.
Kind Regards
Kath
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many thanks and I will try to digest that info' and get back. In the meantime my Hall family originated from Nettleton in Wiltshire prior to moving north sometime between 1860-1880, They then appear at Woodhouse mill and Albert Hall married Matilda Daykin/dakin, it seems to be the Daykin family that have the Nightingale connecton.
Hi, I came across your post when my daughter was researching our family history.. Interesting to read your post, as I notice there are several similarities with my own family..
I remember it being told, that there was a connection with Florence Nightingale,
on my paternal grandmothers side.. her name was Marguerita Hall… she too had relatives living in South Yorkshire in the areas you mention.
My father would often speak of aunt Epzibah and being an unusual name, is easily remembered..
So I wonder if you & I have a family connection?...
Regards
Graham Denton
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many thanks and I will try to digest that info' and get back. In the meantime my Hall family originated from Nettleton in Wiltshire prior to moving north sometime between 1860-1880, They then appear at Woodhouse mill and Albert Hall married Matilda Daykin/dakin, it seems to be the Daykin family that have the Nightingale connecton.
Hi, I came across your post when my daughter was researching our family history.. Interesting to read your post, as I notice there are several similarities with my own family..
I remember it being told, that there was a connection with Florence Nightingale,
on my paternal grandmothers side.. her name was Marguerita Hall… she too had relatives living in South Yorkshire in the areas you mention.
My father would often speak of aunt Epzibah and being an unusual name, is easily remembered..
So I wonder if you & I have a family connection?...
Regards
Graham Denton
Oops! Sorry...spelling correction should read, Margaretta Hall aunt Hepzibah