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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: JenkinsFamilyHistory on Thursday 01 March 18 19:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm looking for any and all information regarding my Great Grandmother Mary Cochrane (nee Beattie)
She was born in Creetown in 1901, All I know is that her mother got involved with a Gypsy and somehow Mary was orphaned at 12 years old. She traveled with the spiritualist church and ended up in Glasgow, she believed she was a medium.
In Glasgow Mary wed James Cochrane who worked in a foundry and later became a bookie. They had 6 children but only 3 girls survived. Elizabeth Cochrane(Born1930), Jane/Jean Cochrane(Born 1932), and Catherine Cochrane(Born 1935).
However, James wasn't faithful and so Mary took her 2 daughters to Toronto, Canada and stayed with her oldest daughter Elizabeth who had married George Hanson and was currently living there.
James had his girlfriend Minnie Dodds move in with him the immediately after his family was gone and they wed a few years later.
I'm hopeful someone will be able to shed some light on Mary Beattie's family as well as James Cochrane if at all possible.
Thanks in advance!
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat Do you have the names of Mary and James parents if not you can register with Scotlands |People website which is the official site for Scottish records and you will be able to download their wedding entry which will give you their age and names of their parents including mothers maiden name
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Welcome from me too :)
I think you are going to have a tricky search for details in the early stages until you are able to firm things up.
I cannot easily see a birth entry for a Mary Beattie in Kirkmabreck Kircudbrightshire around the time you mention (for a birth in Creetown).
Also, I can't see a marriage entry for a Mary Beattie and a James Cochrane, nor one for a James Cochrane to a xxx Dodds. A marriage for James to Minnie Dodds would indicate there had been a divorce?
Have you got any more details with names/years that could help you here? Have you got any of the birth certs for the children of Mary and James to let you confirm their marriage date (may not be accurate but would help here).
Monica :)
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Any possibility that Mary's maiden name could have been Rennie rather than Beattie?
Just reading this here www.curiousfox.com/vill100/Lanarkshire27850_2.html
My Grandmother was Mary Rennie born in Creetown around 1900. The story I got was that her mother became with child due to an involvment with a gypsy and well, Mary was on her own at 12 in Glasgow. She used to attend the Spooks (spiritualist Church) and claimed to be a medium. I believe her..she was my grandmother. She Married James Cochrane, year unknown.
There is a marriage in the Anderston area of Glasgow in 1917 for a James McInnes Cochran and a Mary Forgie Rennie which is a possibility?
I can't see a Mary Rennie birth though in Kirkmabreck around 1901 either though... Maybe other surnames are also part of this :-\
Monica
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Not the 1917 marriage - that Mary was aged 28!
Annette
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Thanks for all of the quick replies, it truly is very much appreciated.
MonicaL, I don't believe that is them. That James McInnes Cochran Was a house painter who died in 1946.
My James lived at Crail st until at least 1962 and married Minnie Dodds in about 1956.
That other information you got was actually from my father. I've asked him about it several times and he says Mary's last name was definitely Beattie. 1948 was the year Mary took her daughters and left for Canada.
I'll keep pressing family members for more information. Her daughter Catherine is still alive and works as a pastor at a spiritualist church in Brantford, Ontario.
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There is a death for a Minnie Dodds Cochrane in 1972
aged 51
1972
623/ 872
Glasgow, Park Circus
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Think this is the marriage 16 April 1926 at 148,Crail Street Camlachie Glasgow
James Cochrane age 21 ( steel moulder ) address as above father Alexander Cochrane mother
Jeanie Cochrane maiden name Beattie
Spouse Mary Rennie Longridge age 25 address 12,Greer st Glasgow (sewing machinist )
Mother Elizabeth Longridge deceased ( dresmaker)
Witnesses Alexander Cochrane Isabel Wright
This would tie in with the name mentioned on Monica's post
Rosie
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Forgot to say Welcome to Rootschat
There is a birth for a Mary Rennie Longridge 1901 kirkmabreck which would tie in with her age on marriage
Rosie
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Wsas just about to post the birth but Rosie beat me There is also a death in 1911 of a Mary Rennie Longridge age 55 in Kirkmabreck possible relative but could fit with Mary jr becoming an orphan at 12
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This looks like the family on the 1901 Census address St John St ,Creetown Kirkmabreck
Elizabeth Longridge age 79 born about 1822 Glenluce Wigtownshire ( living in own means )
Elizabeth Longridge age 39 born about 1862 Glenluce
James Longridge age 12 born about 1889 Creetown ..Grandson
Longridge ...16 days Granddaughter born 1901 Creetown
Rosie
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Yes Wendy did see that death thought the same thing obviously some relation
Rosie
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Elizabeth Longridge b 3 September 1861 Old Luce Wigtown parents William Longridge Elizabeth Coupland from Family Search
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Mary Rainey Longridge born to the same parents 6 Mar 1856 Old Luce from family search
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Wsas just about to post the birth but Rosie beat me There is also a death in 1911 of a Mary Rennie Longridge age 55 in Kirkmabreck possible relative but could fit with Mary jr becoming an orphan at 12
Birth for this Mary Rainey Longridge 6 March 1856 Glenluce
Father William Longridge
Mother Elizabeth Coupland
Rosie
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Snap Wendy ;D
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Elizabeth Longridge age 53 also died in 1915 in Kirkmabreck
Modified as put in wrong birth year but there are 5 Elizabeth Longridge deaths between 1900 and 1950 all possible relatives
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The birth certificates of Mary's children should confirm Mary's maiden name and the date of marriage although as they are less than 100 years they cannot be viewed online You can either order them from Scotlands People website or ask for a look up if someone is visiting one of the family centres where they can be viewed
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1911 Census index Kirkmabreck Kirkcudbright 873/ 6/ 10
Elizabeth Lougridge 48
James Lougridge 22
Mary Lougridge 10
ev
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There's a James Cochrane at 148 Crail Street Glasgow on the 1935 Valuation Roll.
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1911 Census index Kirkmabreck Kirkcudbright 873/ 6/ 10
Elizabeth Lougridge 48
James Lougridge 22
Mary Lougridge 10
ev
Good one could not find them ;D
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As Wendy suggested getting a copy of the birth certificate will confirm the mothers name
This looks like the parents of James Cochrane on the 1901 census
Address 14,Elba Lane Camlachie Glasgow
Alexander Cochrane age 32 born about 1868 Glasgow ( Iron Moulder }
Jane Cochrane age 32 born about 1869 Glasgow
Mary Cochrane age 9 born about 1892 Shettleston
Isabella Cochrane age 7 .............1894 Shettleston
Janet Cochrane age 3 .................1898 Glasgow
Jane Cochrane age 9 months ...........1900 Glasgow
John Beattie age 25 boarder
Rosie
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Death James Cochrane , age 81 , 1986 Glasgow Martha St. Glasgow Lanark , mother's maiden name Beattie :-\
ev
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Alexander Cochrane married Jane Beattie 1891 in Camlachie
Not found a death for Jane and 3 possible for Alexander 1 of which was in the Shettleston area where the children were born in 1951 age 83
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Alexander Cochrane married Jane Beattie 1891 in Camlachie
Not found a death for Jane and 3 possible for Alexander 1 of which was in the Shettleston area where the children were born in 1951 age 83
There is a death for a Jane Cochrane other name beattie 1958 Provan age 88 could be a possibility :)
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Mary Rennie Longridge was born 15th March 1901 Creetown, illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Longridge, dressmaker. A correction noted which says a Decree of Paternity against James Jamieson was made 10th May 1901.
So, Mary's birth found, her natural father named, the address where James Cochrane listed 1935 - 148 Crail Street - is the address given when Mary and the girls left England in 1948.
The birth certificate of one of the 3 girls should, as has already been suggested, confirm all this is correct. Not that I have any doubts - when James Cochrane and Mary Rennie Longridge married 16th April 1926 James' address is '148 Crail Street'.
So, whilst the family names of Rennie and Beattie are indeed connected to Mary's family as the family story states it's strange that her actual surname of Longridge had become lost in the mists of time.
Annette
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Alexander Cochrane married Jane Beattie 1891 in Camlachie
Not found a death for Jane and 3 possible for Alexander 1 of which was in the Shettleston area where the children were born in 1951 age 83
There is a death for a Jane Cochrane other name beattie 1958 Provan age 88 could be a possibility :)
Found it now why did it not show first time I searched strange :)
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Marriage for the daughter
Elizabeth Longr Cochrane 1945 Shettleston
George Edward Hanson
Rosie
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There is a possible James Jamieson in Kirkmabreck in 1901 age 24 also 2 others age 34 and 71 in a different household
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Marriage for the daughter
Elizabeth Longr Cochrane 1945 Shettleston
George Edward Hanson
Rosie
Just to add there is a birth for a Elizabeth Longr Cochrane 1926 Camlachie
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Paternity-
James Jamieson, New Buildings, Creetown
http://maxwellancestry.co.uk/courttranscript.aspx?courtid=16017071
ev
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Lots of great info there from everyone. Twists and turns as always!
Did Mary Rennie Longridge/Cochrane return to the UK for a spell in 1958?
There is a possible entry for her returing for 3 months to the UK from Canada via a New York sailing, arriving at Southampton on 24 May 1958. She gave the address of 884 Tollcross Road Glasgow for her UK stay. There is also a matching birth date of 15 March 1901 as showing on Annette's earlier post.
Mary Rennie Longridge was born 15th March 1901 Creetown, illegitimate daughter of Elizabeth Longridge, dressmaker.
Monica
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Lots of great info there from everyone. Twists and turns as always!
Did Mary Rennie Longridge/Cochrane return to the UK for a spell in 1958?
There is a possible entry for her returing for 3 months to the UK from Canada via a New York sailing, arriving at Southampton on 24 May 1958. She gave the address of 884 Tollcross Road Glasgow for her UK stay. There is also a matching birth date of 15 March 1901 as showing on Annette's earlier post.
Monica
Looks like she did you were on the right track with the name Monica ;)
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Still can't see a divorce (with the new names we have for Mary) or a possible second marriage for James Cochrane to a Minnie Dodds. I tried searching for name variants of Minnie such as those here www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=minnie
From Capricorn's details earlier, the Minnie Dodds Cochrane death index would imply a marriage at some point. Maybe yes or maybe not?
Monica
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Marriage maybe Ireland or England or maybe just common law who ever registered Minnie's death presumed they were married
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Yes I could not see a marriage either or divorce ???
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'JenkinsFamilyHistory', if you have access to A/try's family trees, there is one here for William Longridge and Elizabeth Copland, maternal family to Mary from what has been found www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/108906394/person/180088052194/facts
You also have this www.geni.com/people/William-longridge-Loughridge/6000000013230638682
Treat with care until you are able to verify these details yourself, but always interesting to see, work from and check ::)
Monica
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Yes I would be very careful with that tree on Anc----y ::) ::)
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Mary had a half-brother James - her mother gave birth to James Longridge 25/12/1888 (reg'd 1889) and, as with Mary, mother Elizabeth put in a decree for paternity against a David McDowall, fisherman.
Annette
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There are two possible children born to James and Minnie.
If they are the children of above, then they don't appear to have married pre 1953
DODDS
JAMES
M
1943
644/5 90
Springburn
COCHRANE
JAMES
M
1943
644/5 90
Springburn
DODDS
ALEXANDER
M
1953
644/5 298
Springburn
COCHRANE
ALEXANDER
M
1953
644/5 298
Springburn
There is also a death for James Cochrane mother's maiden name Dodds
COCHRANE
JAMES
49
DODDS
1992
603/ 1068
Glasgow, Martha St
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Wow I am blown away by how incredibly helpful everyone has been here, not to mention efficient.
Yes I believe that you're all very much correct and that Mary Rennie Longridge is my great grandmother!
I honestly don't know how to express my sincerest thanks. This has been a curiosity for me since I can remember and you lot have solved in for me with such unbelievable speed.
I've got a lot of fact checking to do and I've certainly got to work out some specific details but honestly I would have still been entirely in the dark if it weren't for everyone here. I cannot thank everyone enough.
Kindest regards,
Trevor
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Now that you have made another post you should be able to private message me your e-mail address and I will send you the copy of the marriage if you wish ....Lots of information there from all the posters to keep you going ....Good Luck
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Rosie :)