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I am seeking any info on James Mitchell b 1769? who married an Alice Boys in 1788 and then Eleanor Collier nee Cole in 1797 - thank you
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Hello & welcome
Just so we don't tell you what you already know what have you got already.
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Hi I am currently looking through some family documents - possibly copies of entries in a Bible and also some stories - which appear to have been written by George Mitchell b 1813 watchmaker who married a Mary Teresa Snowball. son of James Mitchell. The documents appear to have been added to by the son of George Mitchell b 1846 d 1935 and who became a Priest.
The documents state that there was involvement by I think James Mitchell's father at Culloden. The papers hint at a secret which he took to his deathbed never divulging this to his to his priest Father Kearney.
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It's a bit confusing.
You have George Mitchell b. 1813 (assume Sunderland). His father was James & James' unnamed father was at Culloden.
George had an unnamed son in 1846 who became a Priest.
Is this correct?
Who had the secret?
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Hi One set of documents is written by George Mitchell b 4.6.1813 d 1881 aged 67 in Sunderland. His father was James Mitchell b 1769 d 1839. The second set of documents I have were written by his son George who was ordained a priest at St Johns Catholic Cathedral on 9 September 1877.
I believe that the person who took the secret to his deathbed was James father, Robert
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Hi One set of documents is written by George Mitchell b 4.6.1813 d 1881 aged 67 in Sunderland. His father was James Mitchell b 1769 d 1839. The second set of documents I have were written by his son George Sylvester who was ordained a priest at St Johns Catholic Cathedral on 9 September 1877.
I believe that the person who took the secret to his deathbed was James father, Robert
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Are the family Scottish or English?
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Hi I am unsure but I will quote you part of the document written by George Mitchell b 4.6.1813.
"On my father's side I have gleaned nothing further than that they had been active partisans of the Stuarts. They, with many others cast their fortunes on the fate of, and in the cause of Loyalty to the House of Stuart. The affair to them was a shipwreck. My great grandfather fled making his way to England having been captured at Carlisle he narrowly escaped being executed. His informer was open to a bribe and and thereby saved himself making his way to Sunderland - for what reasons he selected this place I cannot say. He took a house in Union Lane. It was thus in 1745 my great grandfather settled down here."
The documents indicate that the family were, prior to the rebellion "of high prestige"
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So a Jacobite making him Scottish probably. This may be the secret he was hiding as he would have been executed or transported to America.
Are you sure this was written by George b.1813 as Robert would be his Grandfather not GGrandfather.
It would make more sense if it was written by George's son.
Later:
James & Eleanor's first child was Jane in 1806. So making some assumptions they probably married a year or 2 earlier. This gives an approximate birth year of around 1780.
As the Jacobite Rebellion was 30+ years earlier either James' father was an older man when James was born or you need to go back a generation to Robert's father. This would then make the man mentioned George's GGrandfather as he states.
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Yes definitely written by George Mitchell b 4.6.1813
He refers to his father James being a well known and respected jeweller
George was apprenticed at the age of 13 to the Watch and clock making business 8 High Street East of Messrs Gowlands
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Baptism at St.Marys RC Church, Bishopwearmouth.
1813.
George Mitchel, son of James Mitchel and Ellenor his wife (late Collier) was born on the fourth and baptized on the fifteenth of June....by me Peter Wilcock. Sponsor - Ellenor Mitchel Junr.
Proves family were Catholic. First baptisms at St.Marys Catholic Church were in 1809, a previous double baptism at Sunderland Holy Trinity (C of E) :
Thos Mitchell, born 2 May 1808, baptized 30 May 1808, 4th son of James Mitchell, Jeweller, Native of N'castle, by his wife Elenor Collin, Native of same place.
Jane Mitchell, born 24 Nov 1806, baptized 30 May 1808, 3rd dau of same parents.
The death of a James Mitchell in Sunderland Dec qtr 1839 gives an age of 79 on the GRO website, so a birth around 1760 if its the right James and the age is correct.
Alan
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The James Mitchell burial 20 Oct 1839, has age 79, abode Maudes Court. There is also a burial of an Eleanor Mitchell 27 April 1828, aged 54, abode Maudes Court, so born around 1774.
In 1841 census there is a John Mitchell, Goldsmith, age 35, with wife and 2 daughters, living in Maudes Court so I expect that is another son of James, presumably taking over his business.
Pigots Directory 1834 under Sunderland Jewellers and Silversmiths has :
James Mitchell, Maudes Court, High Street.
Alan.
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Thanks Wolfie
What I have corresponds
James Mitchell b 1769 d 1839
m (1) Alice Boys in 1788 d?
m (2) Eleanor Collier (nee Cole) m. 1797 1777 b-1828 -d
Issue Robert Mitchell b.1796; Eleanor Jefferson b 1797; James b 1805 d1834;John b 1806 d 1877; Margaret b 1800 d 1829 Jane Watson ? Thomas b 1808 d 1828; George b 4.6.1813
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There is burial of a Robert Mitchell, Jeweller, aged 82, Sunderland Holy Trinity, 30 June 1797.
I wonder if that is James father. Right age and occupation, same as James. All James sons took up work in Jewellery / Goldsmith / Watchmaking. James oldest son Robert can be traced through census as a Watchmaker.
There is a Robert Mitchell who might fit the bill in the List of rebels who took part in the 1745 Jacobite Rebellion, dated 7th May 1746.
Robert Mitchell, Journeyman Goldsmith, abode Edinburgh. Carried arms in the rebel army. Whereabouts now - not known.
The Incorporation of Goldsmiths of Edinburgh website has further info on this Robert Mitchell. "We speculate that he may be the same Robert Mitchell who had been apprenticed to Alexander Forbes, Goldsmith in Aberdeen in 1734/5".
Alan.
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Hi - whereabouts unknown would certainly fit with a bribe! Further investigation of the papers has a Robert Mitchell b 1708 d 1796 aged 88 years. Mary was his wife
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If of any interest I have a Sarah Mitchell b 1837( daughter of George Mitchell b 1813 d 1877)
She married James Todd on 3.2.1858 at St Mary's Church Bridge St. Issue: Mary Louisa Jane b 15.1.1859;Henry Frederick James Mitchell b 9.11.1864;Edith Blanche b. 24.4.1866 d 10.5.1867;Edith Blanche b. 26.5.1868 d.26.5.1868; Arthur Ernest b 24.8.1871 d 24.8.1871; Henry Fred James Mitchell Todd
The devoted mother of the above died 16.2.1871 aged 34 years, the last child surviving his mother by 6 months
James Todd d 27.12.1904
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HI,
I have been reading your posts regarding George Mitchell, my side of the family have been looking for the document for years, not sure if it is the same document, it was in my fathers possession ,but was lent to whom we used to call "the Mitchell Brothers" and never returned, it documented how the family fled from the battle of Culloden and settled in the north east. We also had a cross and a sword that supposedly came from the battle.
George Mitchell was my great great grandfather, the family also changed there name after the battle.
After posting on ancestry.com I am led to believe the name in Skye was O,Donnell, but i will look up the post again to clarify. The big family rumour was that we are related to Flora McDonald.
I would love to hear from you we have to be related, see if we can clear up some of family mystery
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HI,
I have been reading your posts regarding George Mitchell, my side of the family have been looking for the document for years, not sure if it is the same document, it was in my fathers possession ,but was lent to whom we used to call "the Mitchell Brothers" and never returned, it documented how the family fled from the battle of Culloden and settled in the north east. We also had a cross and a sword that supposedly came from the battle.
George Mitchell was my great great grandfather, the family also changed there name after the battle.
After posting on ancestry.com I am led to believe the name in Skye was O,Donnell, but i will look up the post again to clarify. The big family rumour was that we are related to Flora McDonald.
I would love to hear from you we have to be related, see if we can clear up some of family mystery
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Hi there
This sounds interesting. I am doing the research on behalf of my husband's family - Galloway - whose grandmother was Josephine Mitchell.
The family also talked about a cross being carried before them in the Battle of Culloden and it being kept in a relative's attic. Flora MacDonald was also mentioned. I am interested in the connection with Skye and the change of name
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Hi, Josephine was also my grandmother, my father was Victor brother of George. Wold it be possible to get copies of the documents , my father talked about them a great deal and it would also mean a lot to me. I think your husband is my half cousin. i can give you my email address if you want to communicate directly. As for the cross and the sword, my Father believed that their sister Muriel actually gave them to the catholic church.
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Hi there
Was your father Oswald Victor brother of Basil George?
The papers I have came from Eric Francis, the last of the children of Marie Josephine Mitchell?