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Title: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: JenkinsFamilyHistory on Saturday 03 March 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I'm hoping to find any information on my great grandfather Thomas MacDonald(1892-1967).
He was a Machinist who worked for Firestone in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
Some people in my family say he came over with his family from Scotland when he was a boy and others claim he was much older and met his wife on the boat coming over.
He served in Canada's 19th infantry battalion and fought and was wounded in the battle of Somme. His wifes name was Jean but all I know about the last name is that it was short..... very helpful I know. She was also much younger than him, at least 15 years.
He was a member of many choirs including a Welsh choir which competed in Utica, NY where they came in second.
He said that he traveled the world going to North and South Africa, China, Japan and other countries surrounding the Mediterranean.
They were very much Catholic 4 boys and 2 girls.
Cecelia Mary MacDonald(also went by Sheila) 1931 - 1985
Dennis MacDonald
Marylou MacDonald
Patrick MacDonald
Harry MacDonald
Thomas MacDonald
This is unfortunately all that my family collectively knows so if anyone could shed some light on this I would be incredibly grateful.
Thanks in advance!
Trevor
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: Josephine on Sunday 04 March 18 00:13 GMT (UK)
Trevor,

Do you know where your great-grandfather was buried? If so, have you contacted the cemetery in question to ask what info they have on file for him? If not, have you contacted the cemeteries in Hamilton to enquire about same? This info might include his parents' names and his wife's maiden name. (The same goes for your great-grandmother's burial info.)

Do you have an obit for your great-grandfather? If not, and if you have his exact date of death, have you contacted the library in Hamilton to ask for a look-up in the local newspaper? This might contain helpful information. (Ditto re. your great-grandmother.)

Have you found his military record online (for free) at https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/personnel-records.aspx ? His date of death might be noted somewhere.

The info gleaned from these record sources should help you determine whether any marriage or birth records you subsequently find belong to him.

Good luck in your search!

Regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: Josephine on Sunday 04 March 18 00:47 GMT (UK)
Whoops, looks like this query has been posted in two places:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789092.msg6447285
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: Jool on Sunday 04 March 18 00:50 GMT (UK)
3 places

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=789093.msg6447273
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: Josephine on Sunday 04 March 18 00:52 GMT (UK)
 ;D
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Sunday 04 March 18 15:35 GMT (UK)
https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/hamilton-on/dennis-macdonald-4714882

Obit for Dennis Herbert
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 04 March 18 21:30 GMT (UK)
Popping over from the Scottish board... ::)

There is an entry in the Detroit Border Crossings from 1943 for a couple from the Hamilton area:

Thomas Macdonald age 51
Born 25 May 1892 Liverpool, England
Arrival 30 Jul 1943 Port Huron, Michigan
Accompanied By: Wife Jean (born Glasgow, not sure on year)
Arrival Contact: Cousin Annie Tatrei living in Chicago

Address they give is 222 Tragina Avenue Hamilton?

There are some details which I can't make out. I wonder if someone could have a look and see.

From a possible death for a child in 1933 (some notes on the Scottish post), the parents showed as Thomas from England and Jean from Scotland.

Monica
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 March 18 23:19 GMT (UK)
Couldn't see anything else on the border crossing which you hadn't covered Monica.

In case it helps this is Annie Tatro - according to Ohio marriage records - Mrs Annie Davies - Mrs Annie McDonough  born 1891 England. Aged 37 years - Parents Daniel McDonough - Mother Mary Girard - Spouse Guy E Tatro - aged 28 years - married 31 October 1928 -
Guy lived at 3807 Carneia Avenue. Jamaica VT, occupation carpenter - mothers maiden name Minnie Reed  - had been married once previously.
Annie Davies - aged 37 years - 9137 Broadway Egland. Landlady - had been married once previously.

Sandra
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 March 18 23:25 GMT (UK)
1930 census  W. Congress St.  Chicago Illinois.

Guy Tatro   40 Born MA. Parents France. Carpenter.
Annie Tatro   40 England. Boarding House. Working on own account. Parents born Eng. Imm 1908. Naturalized.
Dan Mcdonough   55 born 1875 England. Brother-in-law. Widowed. Imm 1905. Labourer.
Helebert Davies   19 born Ohio. Step-son.
Celia Davies   12 born Ohio. Step-daughter.
George Bell   60 boarder.
Miller   28 boarder.
Carl F Roesch   53 boarder.
Edward Mcguire   60 boarder.
thomas McGrath 51 boarder.

Sandra
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 March 18 23:29 GMT (UK)
1940 census Fairfield Avenue Chicago Cook Illinois

Guy E Tatro   49 Cutter- Steel Works.
Annie Tatro   51
Herbert P Davis   29 Single. Step-son. Roofer.
Cecelia Davis   21 Single. Step-Daughter. Operator. Beauty Shop.

Sandra
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 March 18 23:31 GMT (UK)
FIND A GRAVE

Annie P Tatro - Mothers maiden name mcdonough. 17 March 1889 - passed away 21 Jan 1971 -

he was born in Birkenhead, England. Survivors include her husband Guy -  one son Herbert Davies -  a daughter Cecelia Giuntoll.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69114914

Guy Tatro - 1890 - 1975

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69114895/guy-e-tatro

Sandra
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 04 March 18 23:34 GMT (UK)
Popping over from the Scottish board... ::)

There is an entry in the Detroit Border Crossings from 1943 for a couple from the Hamilton area:

Thomas Macdonald age 51
Born 25 May 1892 Liverpool, England
Arrival 30 Jul 1943 Port Huron, Michigan
Accompanied By: Wife Jean (born Glasgow, not sure on year)
Arrival Contact: Cousin Annie Tatrei living in Chicago

Address they give is 222 Tragina Avenue Hamilton?

There are some details which I can't make out. I wonder if someone could have a look and see.

From a possible death for a child in 1933 (some notes on the Scottish post), the parents showed as Thomas from England and Jean from Scotland.

Monica

Jean was born 19/7/1904 Scotland.
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: Wendy2305 on Sunday 04 March 18 23:52 GMT (UK)
There's a birth of a Jane McFall 1904 in Port Glasgow
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 March 18 00:02 GMT (UK)
Obituary of Patricia Anne Pletsch  -  Sunday, July 10, 2011 - (wife of Laurie) mentioned in the obituary of Dennis MacDonald

Suddenly, at the Juravinski Hospital, on Sunday, July 10, 2011. Beloved wife of Laurie Pletsch.

http://donaldvbrown.ca/tribute/details/1629/Patricia-Pletsch/obituary.html

Sandra
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: JenkinsFamilyHistory on Monday 05 March 18 01:30 GMT (UK)
MonicaL
Once again you are 100% correct!
My apologies for posting on multiple boards everyone, I didn't realize they were all connected and was hoping to get a wide variety of eyes on this mystery.
222 Tragina Avenue Hamilton is an address that I know for a fact Thomas and Jean lived. Dennis lived there for a long time before he died and now his son Dennis lives there.
Monica you're incredible and I thank you and everyone helping me out with this.
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 05 March 18 21:49 GMT (UK)
We all work best on RootsChat as a team....that is why it is a pretty unique forum for genealogy  ;) People research in different ways and have access to different sources sometimes. Hopefully we get some breakthroughs that way!

Great news that the address connects to give you confirmation.

You need to think now how you want to move backwards and research more Thomas and Jean's families back in England and Scotland.

Firstly, if I can advice, you need to try and confirm Jean's maiden surname. No idea how accessible death certs in Canada. Do they contain parents' names of the deceased? This may be the best start point. With this info, you can start trying to find out more about them.

I was thinking about what you said about Thomas 'seeing the world' when he was younger. Wondering whether he worked for the merchant navy or other shipping. There are numerous entries through the 1920s for a Thomas M(a)cDonald leaving and entering the UK and other ports such as NY as crew with a birth year that could fit for your g grandfather Thomas.

Monica
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 05 March 18 22:15 GMT (UK)

In case it helps this is Annie Tatro - according to Ohio marriage records - Mrs Annie Davies - Mrs Annie McDonough  born 1891 England. Aged 37 years - Parents Daniel McDonough - Mother Mary Girard - Spouse Guy E Tatro - aged 28 years - married 31 October 1928 -


With Sandra's earlier details, she found that Annie was born in Birkenhead, Lancashire, England. Birkenhead and Liverpool (which we now have Thomas' birthplace) are very close to each other. There is this possible 1891 census entry for her in Birkenhead, with parents' showing as Sandra mentions, Daniel and Mary:

Daniel McDonough 38 brickyard labourer b. Storeton, Cheshire
Mary McDonough 34 b. Liverpool
Daniel McDonough 10
Thomas McDonough 8
Christopher McDonough 5
Cecile McDonough 4
Anne McDonough 2 b. Birkenhead

Daniel McDonough and Mary Gerrard married in the Liverpool District in the 3rd Quarter of 1882.

Given that Thomas gave an Annie's details and named her as cousin, Daniel and Mary above Uncle and Aunt?

Monica
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Tuesday 06 March 18 16:22 GMT (UK)
Since you are a direct line descendant u should apply to Service Ontario for any applicable certificates that would give you details on names and places of birth.
Title: Re: Thomas MacDonald Hamilton, Ontario
Post by: cosmac on Tuesday 06 March 18 16:23 GMT (UK)
There is a 1940 border crossing at Buffalo for Thomas MacDonald born 14 Feb 1942 Hamilton showing father Thomas, racial origin English, and grandmother Jeany.