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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: pomp on Sunday 04 March 18 12:55 GMT (UK)
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Good afternoon all
Does anyone know where I can access an old on line map of Tredegar (1850-1900)? I'm trying to look at the movements of my ancestors.
Thank you
David
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There's one here. Zoom in and look around:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101605940#
Added - also a later one
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186082#
Gadget
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The 25 ins to mile are more detailed but you'd need to select particular parts of the town:
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=12&lat=51.7351&lon=-3.2813&layers=101&b=1&point=51.7204,-3.2423
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Thanks Gadget ;D
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Additionally the tithe maps are recently available locating properties and occupants that had land/fields associated with them. It was previously called Cynefin whilst being digitalised, and now called 'Places of Wales' https://places.library.wales/ on the National Library of Wales website.
You can type in Tredegar into 'find a place' at the above link, and then overlay the tithe map (right hand side of page) when the modern map comes up
I'm afraid it is a bit addictive ;D ;D
Mar
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I understood pomp to be interested in addresses between 1850-1900 and the tithe maps were produced between 1838 and 1850 ( https://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=7347 ), so some of the later addresses would not show and the occupants would not be the same.
Gadget
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Yes, a little bit early - 1846
Mar
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I must agree with you that the Tithe maps are addictive. I found two different sets of ancestors occupying fairly close fields, houses and gardens. They're also interesting to track the local gentry :D
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Thanks everybody - sorry about being tardy in my reply: a busy week teaching.
David
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David, I don't think there's any need to apologise for being late in giving your thanks. It always strikes me as a slightly pointless exercise comma and there are in fact some forums where you can just click an icon to send thanks. I once even had a very unpleasant email from somebody who actually checked up on what other comments I posted on instead of sending her thanks. I actually hate getting a reminder email saying that a new comment has been added to a thread that I am following only to find out that is just one or two words or even one of those cartoon faces. Naturally, please don't thank me for this comment. I will now remove my tongue from my cheek. No doubt somebody else will give me a tongue lashing for my cheek.
Martin
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Not a tongue lashing but wondered about your post as it doesn't seem to be anything about maps of Tredegar ???
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Hi Gadget
I wanted to look into the streets of Tedegar to see where my ancestors were living. They were in Pit Row and Iron Row in the main, possiblly Pond Row too, hence my request.
Good fun this family history malarkey :-)
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Hi pomp - no problem with your request. It was Mart'n'Al, I was querying as he was commenting on your thanks :-\
I think I remember going around the old maps looking for those rows a while back. I think it might be that you have to look at the 25 ins to the mile map that might show them. Have you looked at the enumerators descriptions of the 'walk' in the pieces that your ancestors lived on any of the censuses. Or even just looking through the adjacent pages. It might help you pinpoint where they are.
If you list some names, DofB, etc. we might be able to help as well.
Gadget
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:D
Iron Row:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186079#zoom=6&lat=3349&lon=2502&layers=BT
Gadget
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:D
Iron Row:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186079#zoom=6&lat=3349&lon=2502&layers=BT
Gadget
Oh fantastic thank you (if I’m allowed to say that)
:D
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I understood pomp to be interested in addresses between 1850-1900 and the tithe maps were produced between 1838 and 1850 ( https://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=7347 ), so some of the later addresses would not show and the occupants would not be the same.
Gadget
Tithe Map
The Tithe Maps were produced 1830s to mid 19th Century, to map out, only the Tithable Lands the old properties and fields liable to Tithe. Tithable Lands were the older Inclosures of Property; Farms and Fields.
The old Tithe payment was being commuted to a 'Rent Charge', so Parishes with old Tithable Lands were surveyed.
Parliamentary Enclosure Acts
From the previous 18th Century, the Parliamentary Inclosure of Land by Parliamentary Act (after 1730 in our Town) were often exempt of Tithe and therefore depicted as blank areas on our 1842 Tithe Map, despite them being inhabited with Houses; Farms and Fields, well before the Tithe Map was Surveyed.
Our 1842 Tithe Map (Nuneaton Parish) only shows Properties, Farms and Old Fields (about 6,000 acres) Inclosed before 1730, despite the remaining 6,000 acres of our Parish being inclosed under the first Parliamentary Act of 1730 and the last Parliamentary Act of 1802 (but blank on our 1842 Map of the Titheable Lands, despite persons and farmers occupying the blank land).
Summary
Therefore, residences and people might show in an 1841 Census (and be the Owner or Main Occupier), but may NOT always be on the Tithe Map, nor listed in the Tithe Apportionment Schedule of 1842.
So in 1841 they might live in an area, depicted as a blank area on an 1842 Tithe Map, for which there is no numbering and no listing in the Tithe Apportionment Schedule, but the Land has already been inclosed (divided up into individual properties and fields) as Tithe Exempt before the Tithe Map Survey date.
If this is the case, you then need to look for Enclosure Acts and accompanying Maps, or Deeds.
Tithable Property - Exempt of Tithe
For a payment (usually one-off payment) to the Queen Anne's Bounty Office, you could become exempt of Tithe Payment.
Mark
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Link to location of Pond Row:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=674334.0
Mark - the tithe maps aren't relevant to this query - interesting as they are.
Gadget
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Hi pomp - no problem with your request. It was Mart'n'Al, I was querying as he was commenting on your thanks :-\
I think I remember going around the old maps looking for those rows a while back. I think it might be that you have to look at the 25 ins to the mile map that might show them. Have you looked at the enumerators descriptions of the 'walk' in the pieces that your ancestors lived on any of the censuses. Or even just looking through the adjacent pages. It might help you pinpoint where they are.
If you list some names, DofB, etc. we might be able to help as well.
Gadget
I have attached the street visited before Pit Row Tredegar, are you able to decipher?
Regards
David
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Is it Queen Street?
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This link has a Queens Square, leaing from Queen Victoria Street with a Disused Pit to the West.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186079#zoom=5&lat=3336&lon=1998&layers=BT
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Is it Queen Street?
I'm sorry Gadget this reference is in Blaina
David
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Is it Queen Street?
I'm sorry Gadget this reference is in Blaina
David
Your census ref or mine map ref?
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Just noticed Aberystruth at top of your snip - am looking at the Blaina maps now
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Queen Street here:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186091#zoom=5&lat=2501&lon=4035&layers=BT
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Just noticed Aberystruth at top of your snip - am looking at the Blaina maps now
In the census there is a Hope St and Church St I think but difficult to read
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Yes - close to Queen Street on modern OS map. Problem is that the very large scale maps for Tredegar-Blaenau are not available at NLS map site and you need to be a signed up member for the Old-maps site.
The only 6 ins ones at NLS don't show Pit Row and are 1915+. Could they have been demolished before then?
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The link that I gave has
Queen Street
Hope Street
Pump Street
Church Street
http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186091#zoom=5&lat=2411&lon=4045&layers=BT
There are some buildings/a row of houses to the north of Queen St that aren't labelled - a public house at both ends.
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I think the pit was the Globe and also known as Globe Pit Row
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Been 'walking' through the 1881 census. Pit Row seems to be sandwiched between Queen Street and Hope Street/Queen Street as if it was adjacent/at right angles to both streets :-\
It has
Hope Street.....
Queen Street.........
Pit Row
Hope Street
Queen street
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Can you see a Globe Pit Row. It's on the same description/leader page as Hope Street. It's just before Pump Street.
Added - Missed you post about it being called Globe Pit Row - sorry
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Reading the census description against the map, I'm thinking it might be that part that has Picture Theatre on one side of the street and Cross Street on the other.
Added - Globe Pit Row is the boundary road on the East of the Census ED, so would be on the colliery (east) side of the block of streets I've listed.
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Reading the census description against the map, I'm thinking it might be that part that has Picture Theatre on one side of the street and Cross Street on the other.
Happen you’re right - looks to be the spot
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There is an interesting interactive map of the town on www.tredegar.co.uk genealogy page.