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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Taylor111 on Tuesday 06 March 18 13:36 GMT (UK)
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Hello, I brought my 2nd great grandfathers 2nd marriage record this morning. I struggled to read his new wife's parents names, but with some help on here, believe it right.
Once I put into Ancest, it brought a marriage up for her parents right away, which said Orkney Islands, I thought great as the 1901 census I have of her married to my 2nd great greandfather is has her birth as Orkney Island.
So the marriage for her parents brought up this
John Smith
Spouse: Herriot Thomson
Marriage: 29 Mar 1855 - Walls and Flotta,Orkney,Scotland
I then found a census record for them for 1871 just 4/5 years of the approx birth I have for my granfather's wife according to their marriage record. (She was also married before and widower the same as my grandfather)
But the 1871 census, said this -
Hurliness , Walls and Flotta , Orkney
John Smith 45 fisherman
Harriet Smith 48 wife
Alexina Smith 12
Christina Smith 4
It has him as a fisherman but on the marriage record of her it says her mother and father both deceased and that her father is a shoe maker.
She is not on this census.
Any suggestions, I also can't find her death her husband my great grandfather died 1938 He was David brand born 1858 and a police constable.
Thanks. I',m including a few snippets.
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See what you mean :-\
There is an Alice Smith, 26 and an Upholsterer's Seamstress. Born Longhope Orkney. She shows at 9 McAlpine St, Anderston Glasgow.
Given she showed as a widow when she married David Brand, have you tried looking for a possible first marriage for her?
Monica
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Is this Alice's first marriage (you don't give a date for the one you have posted
From Scotlands people
SMITH ALICE
REID FRANCIS
1896
644/2 160
Camlachie
It is normally best if you try tracking Alice back on census until you find her with her parents ;)
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Well done great thank you. I just brought the record. It must be her as has her father as a shoemaker again! So know idea where her father is yet. This is by far the worst to date record I have brought, I can make about 5% out :o ;D
Any help please?
Thank, I have enclosed small clipping. I have had to do it in two parts as was too big each time to upload.
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and second part
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It says that her father is a Shoemaker (deceased) ;)
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10th July
29 East John Street, Glasgow
Francis Reid -Spirit Salesman -bachelor -age 32 -
29 East John Street, Glasgow
Patrick Reid labourer deceased and Catherine M(aiden) S(urname) Hard :-\
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Got her 1st husbands death, still not sure on his mothers maiden name, looks like Peid lol ?
Thanks guys
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1881 13 Piccadilly Street, Glasgow
Patrick Reid 44
Catherine Reid 44
Francis Reid 18
Ann Jane Reid 16
Catherine Reid 14
John Reid 12
Margaret Reid 9
all born Ireland
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1891 93a Main Street, Glasgow
Catherine Reid 60
Francis Reid 28
Margaret Reid 21
Electoral register
Francis Reid
Residence Year 1897
29 East John street , Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Occupation Shopman
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I wonder if Alice is the Alexina you found in the census as there is this death in Penicuik, Midlothian in 1947
Brand Alexina 88
Reid Alexina 88
Smith Alexina 88
All have the same ref. 697/23.
William
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Think Francis' mother's maiden name was Ward. Possible birth for daughter Margaret in Ireland https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPYM-TZD (you need to signed in to view).
Monica
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I wonder if Alice is the Alexina you found in the census as there is this death in Penicuik, Midlothian in 1947
Brand Alexina 88
Reid Alexina 88
Smith Alexina 88
All have the same ref. 697/23.
William
Well done William! Has to be :)
We just have the issue of father John's occupation fisherman v shoemaker. Something to bear in mind...many men at this time in these communities were fishermen...and something else to make ends meet. Just odd that shoemaker hasn't shown up anywhere yet in what we have. Maybe that Alice's siblings may also show shoemaker in some registrations?
Monica
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Great detective work William. Thank you! I have just risked it and brought the record (I don't normally I'm poor ;D ) But glad I did, it is her mentions her widowed husband my great grandfather a a police constable and he was for the whole of his career.
I'm just trying to get my 5yr old in bed, and I shall be having a good look at the record and then hopefully add the parents and census and hoping to get further. Very strange on the fisherman v shoe maker. :-)
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Re Harriet Smith (Thomson) looks like she died in Kirkwall in 1900. The most likely death for John Smith is in Walls RD Orkney in 1874 age 48.
1881 it seems Harriet is living with her father in Walls -father is James Thomson, a crofter born 1797. Likely death for him in Walls in 1888 age 90. Also present is her brother Donald Thomson age 42 - a fisherman and farm labourer.
1891 she is with son James his wife Christina and children in Walls.
William