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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: MissPaddlefoot on Wednesday 07 March 18 01:22 GMT (UK)
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Searching for any information on the above. Born 1888 in Christchurch, NZ to W & E OWENS (William & Elizabeth?) Died 3 June 1892. Had older brother Frederick Henry b 1886 died 15 June 1982. Want to find out how they fit in the family tree as I strongly suspect they do.
Have burial plot # .
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Just checking NZ BDM.......
Are these others yours too?
1883/12457 Owens Charles Alfred Elizabeth William John
1889/2586 Owens Ethel Louisa Gertrude Elizabeth William John
1886/3473 Owens Frederick Henry Elizabeth William John
1880/3208 Owens William John Elizabeth William John
Marriage?
1880/1425 Elizabeth Davison William Owens
Minniehaha.
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Re:The estate of William Owens, creditors meeting [1892]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18921215.2.27.2?end_date=31-12-1892&phrase=0&query=william+owens&start_date=01-01-1892&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA
Two children having died, three living.
Added:
The deaths of those two children:
1892/2723 Owens Frederick Henry 6Y
1892/2767 Owens Ethel Louisa Gertrude 3Y
Minniehaha.
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Have looked at these too, Minniehaha.
The marriage Elizabeth DAVIDSON/William OWENS could be. I have William Henry John (b 1840 Ireland) So he would be 40.
Ethel & Frederick are definitely births.
I am trying to place the Ethel & Frederick's parents (William and Elizabeth) into the tree as I have no matching names, but I'm sure they fit in somewhere.
I have the BDM printout on the way
Thank you for your help
Miss Paddlefoot
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Thankyou for the link to the Paper's Past. I'd missed that one
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This may be the missing child from reply #1......
[According to the above newspaper report there had been 5 children]
1881/4449 Owens Laura Elizabeth William
Minniehaha.
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Burial of the two children:
Surname: OWENS
First name(s): ETHEL L G
Date of death: Friday, 3 June 1892
Cemetery: Linwood
Date of burial: Sunday, 5 June 1892
Block number: 8
Plot number: 16
Age: 3 years 6 months
Address:
Occupation: CHILD
Place of birth:
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Surname: OWENS
First name(s): FRED H.
Date of death: Wednesday, 15 June 1892
Cemetery: Linwood
Date of burial: Thursday, 16 June 1892
Block number: 8
Plot number: 16
Age: 6 years 6 months
Address:
Occupation: CHILD
Place of birth:
Years in New Zealand: 6
Minniehaha.
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Linwood Cemetery
OWENS Elizabeth died 8/05/1902 53yrs 26 yrs NZ
OWENS Ethel L G died 3/06/1892 3 yrs 6 mths life NZ
OWENS Fred H. died 15/06/1892 6 yrs 6 mths 6 yrs NZ
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Further to replies #6 & 7........
Surname: OWENS
First name(s): ELIZABETH
Date of death: Thursday, 8 May 1902
Cemetery: Linwood
Date of burial: Thursday, 8 May 1902
Block number: 8
Plot number:16
Age: 53 years
Address:
Occupation: Unknown
Place of birth:
Years in New Zealand: 26
[Same block & plot number as for the two children]
Minniehaha.
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Linwood Cemetery
OWENS Elizabeth died 8/05/1902 53yrs 26 yrs NZ
OWENS Ethel L G died 3/06/1892 3 yrs 6 mths life NZ
OWENS Fred H. died 15/06/1892 6 yrs 6 mths 6 yrs NZ
All in same plot. Elizabeth had been in New Zealand > 26 years > [arr. c. 1876 ].
~ Lu
Edited : Added only because it wasn't made clear they were in a common plot. ;)
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Linwood Cemetery
OWENS Elizabeth died 8/05/1902 53yrs 26 yrs NZ
OWENS Ethel L G died 3/06/1892 3 yrs 6 mths life NZ
OWENS Fred H. died 15/06/1892 6 yrs 6 mths 6 yrs NZ
All in same plot. Elizabeth had been in New Zealand > 26 years > [arr. c. 1876 ].
~ Lu
Edited : Added only because it wasn't made clear they were in a common plot. ;)
Part quote from reply#8
[Same block & plot number as for the two children]
???
Minniehaha.
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Linwood Cemetery
OWENS Elizabeth died 8/05/1902 53yrs 26 yrs NZ
OWENS Ethel L G died 3/06/1892 3 yrs 6 mths life NZ
OWENS Fred H. died 15/06/1892 6 yrs 6 mths 6 yrs NZ
All in same plot. Elizabeth had been in New Zealand > 26 years > [arr. c. 1876 ].
~ Lu
Edited : Added only because it wasn't made clear they were in a common plot. ;)
Part quote from reply#8
[Same block & plot number as for the two children]
???
Minniehaha.
??? My information added simultaneously. ;D
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This may be William's arrival in New Zealand.......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP18670730.2.7?end_date=31-12-1949&page=2&phrase=2&query=william+owens&start_date=01-01-1839&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA
Minniehaha.
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The marriage Elizabeth DAVIDSON/William OWENS could be. I have William Henry John (b 1840 Ireland) So he would be 40.
There is a William Henry John OWENS died 1925 (born circa 1840) - 56 years in NZ, also buried at Linwood Cemetery.
Death notice >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19250130.2.136.6
He shares a plot with the following >
Linwood - Block 18 - Plot 243
Sarah OWENS - d. 1913 - 53 years
George F.C. OWENS - d. 1923 - aged 82 years - 60 years in NZ
Emily Louisa OWENS - d. 1907 - aged 22 Years [d/o Sarah and George F.C. ]
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Above funeral notice mentions his nephew, G. F. OWENS' residence> 2 Alfred Street > :
According to e/rolls, the nephew was George Francis OWENS (who was a son of Sarah and George F.C. OWENS.)
~ Lu
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George F.C. OWENS buried Linwood Cemetery, 1923 =
NZ Death
1923 - OWENS - George Francis Charles - 82 years
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Actual death notice for W. H. J. Owens.....
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19250130.2.5?end_date=31-01-1925&phrase=0&query=+owens&start_date=01-01-1925&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA
Minniehaha.
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Thank you all - so much help.
Yes Lucy2. They are all family. The Elizabeth DAVIDSON/William OWENS is at present the probable parents of Ethel/Fred. The parent of William is now the challenge.
I have NZBDMs for a Louisa (b1887/7426); William John (b1890/7701) and Laura (b1881/4449) These may be the children mentioned in your Paper's Past, Minniehaha.
As I said I have Ethel's birth printout on the way so it should give more clues and/or proof that I think William is the son of James OWENS and Mary BLAYNEY - named William Henry John born in Wicklow, Ireland in 1840. He is in Linwood cemetery Block 18 Plot 243. died 1925, arrived in NZ with brother George Frances Charles c1869.
Just received all the added posts: It looks like we may have solved the mystery. William John OWENS and William Henry John OWENS are the same person. Thank you all. Regards
Miss Paddlefoot
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Here are the children of Sarah and George Francis Charles OWENS :
1883 - Frederick William
1885 - Emily Louisa
1887 - Robert Blayney
1889 - George Francis
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Yes Lucy2, Robert Blayney was my husband's grandfather. Indecently his son was also named Robert Blayney.Caused all sorts of problems. Son's mother was Beatrice Ellen Watson KNOWLES nee MORRIS. They had not married and son was registered as Knowles. (Took some time to find that one :)) Still haven't been able to find a marriage.
Further to the parents of Ethel & Fred, I have found a death cert & printout I had for a Elizabeth OWENS d 5 May 1902. Address: Asaph St, Chch. In the print-out the writing was in many parts undecipherable. So I sent for the Certificate. Certificate reads her mother was Mary SCHECKSON nee SEAF Father William John SCHECKSON. Age 53 years born New Plymouth.
However the printout looks to read mother; nee G/SEA?E; where born - New Plymouth;How long in NZ - 26years. married Taranaki at 18 years to William John OWENS; living chdn males 19,22,female 24;
Something seems odd. If she was married at 18, how could she had been in NZ for 26 years. Is it "New Plymouth, England" ? The printout clearly states St Asaph Street.
So given all that the marriage OWENS/DAVIDSON may be incorrect.
Would it be worth getting the printout for the marriage SHACKSON/OWENS (If I can find it)?
I would like to hear anyone's comments please.
Miss Paddlefoot
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Hi
If you don't mind waiting a day or so (maybe sooner), I'll have a more in-depth look over the records for OWENS family to see what's what .
[Someone else here gave the record for OWENS / DAVIDSON marriage ... but I'll check that further.]
~ Lu
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Hi
.... can I just ask why is it you are trying to fit this William John OWENS and his wife Elizabeth, into your family ??
It seems that the William Henry John OWENS who is buried with Sarah and George F.C. (George Francis Charles) OWENS, is part of your BLAYNEY family ??
William Henry John OWENS appears to be a different person then to William John OWENS ???
~ Lu
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Who is this chap ... ???
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19020510.2.77.7
... St Asaph Street ??
~ Lu
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Robert Blayney OWENS is the son of George Francis Charles OWENS.
Who the chap in the 10 May 1902 Papers Past is I don't know.
From working on things today I am sure of this: Elizabeth, mother of children Ethel & Fred was born c 1849 possibly in England, her maiden name SHACKSON. She married John Scott DOBBIN (NZBDM;1867/5722) had a child Florence Edith (1879/15700) then took up with William John OWENS and had a further 5 children. William John OWENS' uncle (as mentioned in death notice) was George Francis Henry OWENS, my husband's Great grandfather. So William John Owens and William John Henry Owens are the same person.
Regarding the Papers Past of 10 May 1902 I thought the Mrs BROAD may have been Mary Elizabeth OWENS born 1877/8455 - Elizabeth Shackson/ William Owens' daughter but nothing in NZBDM that looks possible.
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Can you tell us where in Ireland your OWENS family came from ??
Do you have birthplace for your George Francis OWENS ?
Am only asking these questions to try to assist you. ;)
It does appear from what I've found, that there were two men named William OWENS who lived in very close proximity to each other in Christchurch.
Neither seems to have used their additional christian names (John / Henry John) on electoral rolls and so it takes some finding them.
I don't believe at this stage, that the William John OWENS (married to Elizabeth) is the same person as William Henry John OWENS. I have an idea who "the daughter Mrs BROAD" may have been but still working to confirm this.
~ Lu
Edited to add : Mmm .. have just seen earlier in the thread where you said William Henry John OWENS was born (1840), Wicklow, IRELAND.
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Hi Lu. I don't mind any questions at all.
George Francis Charles OWENS b. Wicklow, Ireland to James & Mary OWENS nee BLAYNEY c1843. Arrived NZ c 1863 to Chch. Father a surgeon. George married in Little River 4 Feb 1883 to Sarah Maria McMANNUS. George died 20 Sept 1923 Chch. Buried Linwood Cem.
George Francis Owens [the above's son] was born in Little River on 13 Dec 1888. married Emily JOHNSTON on 23 April 1915 in Little River. Died 26 Sept 1962.
William Henry John OWENS came out to NZ with brother George.
I believe there may have been two men William OWENS in Chch.
In the death notice (Press; 30 Jan 1925) states "at the residence of his nephew, G F Owens, Alfred St, William Henry John Owens; age 85 yrs"
Working my relationship calculator it shows that G F Owens is nephew of W H J Owens
Thank you for the trouble you are going on my behalf. I am so grateful for being able to sound out others in my challenge and get further perspectives.
Miss Paddlefoot
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As I said I have Ethel's birth printout on the way so it should give more clues and/or proof that I think William is the son of James OWENS and Mary BLAYNEY
- named William Henry John born in Wicklow, Ireland in 1840. He is in Linwood cemetery Block 18 Plot 243. died 1925, arrived in NZ with brother George Frances Charles c1869.
Just received all the added posts: It looks like we may have solved the mystery. William John OWENS and William Henry John OWENS are the same person. Thank you all. Regards
Miss Paddlefoot
Mmm ... Ethel's birth printout is unlikely to give proof that her father was "the son of .... " ???.
At best it will give his birthplace - at worst it might simply give the name of the country in which he was born.
As you've already stated that William Henry John OWENS is in Linwood Cemetery ... am a bit puzzled as to why you didn't firstly get the death printout for him (before getting a birth printout for the child Ethel who may very well be the child of another William OWENS ? )
The William OWENS who arrived in New Zealand per the "Lancashire Witch" in 1867 was a single man from Co. Tipperary, Ireland. Aged 20 - born circa 1847.
On same voyage was a Mary OWENS ex Co. Tipperary, who may have been related ?
~ Lu
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Cheers for the additional info - my last post just crossed with yours. ;)
I'll get back when I have further info.
~ Lu
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While cruising the Linwood cemetery I'd come across Ethel & Fred. and from the headstone at "Billion graves" it named Emily Louisa Owens d 6 August 1907. I knew that this was one of mine and interned with her was Fred. (Incidentally the notation of the headstone in Billion Graves is incorrect as it shows Emily L Owens not Ethel L G Owens) I became curious who W & E Owens were and so had sent for Ethel's death cert.
It was just another track I was following. And I have no doubt that in the end I'll have it sorted.
Cheers
Miss Paddlefoot
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This OWENS "business" ... ;D ... is a very tangled web. ::)
There were two "William and Elizabeth OWENS' " ... residing in Christchurch in close proximity ... each of whom had children born in the same era ... and who bore remarkably similar names. ;D
I'm working through a process of "elimination" - I hope to have further info for you later today.
~ Lu
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While cruising the Linwood cemetery I'd come across Ethel & Fred. and from the headstone at "Billion graves" it named Emily Louisa Owens d 6 August 1907. I knew that this was one of mine and interned with her was Fred. (Incidentally the notation of the headstone in Billion Graves is incorrect as it shows Emily L Owens not Ethel L G Owens) I became curious who W & E Owens were and so had sent for Ethel's death cert.
Hi ... sorry to have to disappoint you, but it is incorrect that Emily Louisa OWENS (d. 1907) is buried with Fred.
Emily Louise OWENS' name is not actually on the Billion Graves Index for Linwood Cemetery, Christchurch.
To access her information you need to click on the Index link for "Frederick Henry OWENS" or "Ethel Louisa Gertrude OWENS"
Then ... further click on the "SHOW MORE" button.
This additional information clearly describes that Emily Louisa and Fred H. (as he's shown) are in different plots ... in different rows.
Emily Louisa OWENS (d.1907) - Block 18 - Plot 243
OWENS - Fred H. (d. 1892) - Block 8 - Plot 16
... as can be seen here >
https://billiongraves.com/grave/ethel-Louisa-Gertrude-Owens/15982638
Personally, I'd urge exercising caution with the Billion Grave transcriptions (and purported "family links" given.) While I applaud those who undertake the work of photographing and transcribing headstones ... I consider "that suggesting families are, or even maybe, related", is not the job of a transcriber.
I will post next for your info, a transcription of Cemetery Records for persons named OWENS who are buried at Linwood. This is data taken from headstones as originally transcribed by members belonging to the New Zealand Society of Genealogists. [Sources: ancestry.com / and New Zealand Cemetery Records (NZSG) on microfiche and available at many larger NZ libraries and some other repositories. ]
~ Lu
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Transcription of Cemetery Records : Linwood Cemetery, Christchurch :
[Sources : as shown in previous post (NZSG). I seem to recall that NZSG transcribers used their own "numbering system" for this project. It differs from the numbering used by the cemetery itself. ]
Surname = OWENS
Area 14 - Row B
# 5902. Ethel Louisa Gertrude second daughter of W. and E. OWENS, died 3rd June 1892 aged 3 years and 4 months. ALSO Frederick Henry, their third son, died 15th June, 1892, aged 6 years and 5 months :
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Area 11 - Row L
# 5452. Sarah OWENS - died 28 April 1913 aged 53 years.
# 5453. George F.C. OWENS - died 20 September 1923 aged 82 years.
# 5454. Wm. H. J. OWENS - died 29 January 1925 aged 85 years.
[NOTE: On the record these three plots have been bracketed together. ]
Need to point out too that when you view at Billion Graves, the Linwood Cemetery plot of a person listed in the index as > "William J. OWENS" > the resulting photograph clearly shows that the headstone is that of > "William H. J. OWENS" (who died January 1925.)
So caution, there are errors at that site.
Edited to add:
https://billiongraves.com/grave/William-J-Owens/15881265
~ Lu
PS: There are also burials for a "Mary OWENS" (details not yet known) ... and a "William OWENS" whom I will deal with later so as not to confuse things further, here.
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The Christchurch Cemeteries database will help you with the numbering system they use.
Use their "name" search facility.
http://heritage.christchurchcitylibraries.com/Cemeteries/
~ Lu