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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: suzilad on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:43 GMT (UK)
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Margaret Watson the daughter of Robert and Mary m.s. Riddle was born in Edinburgh in 1896 .
On a marriage certificate in 1941 when she married John Bishop she is Margaret Watson or Cook .
Death cert. in 1963 she is Margaret Watson her husband John is still alive and her granddaughter E. Cherry registered her death. I have been unable to find children of this marriage
I have been unable as yet to find a marriage of Margaret and a ????? Cook or a divorce .
Hoping someone will be able to point me in right direction.
Thanks
suzilad
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Hmmm.
If she was born in 1896 and married John Bishop in 1941, she would have been 44 or 45, so the probability is that E Cherry was a granddaughter of her first marriage. However I don't see a marriage of a Cherry to a Cook before 1963, so Cherry must be E's married surname.
If E is a granddaughter, she can't have been born much before 1928, so she can't have been married before 1944. There are 23 marriages of a male Cherry to a female whose given name begins with E between 1940 and 1963.
Three of those marriages were in Edinburgh, and the brides' surnames were Aitchison (1953), Jeffrey (1961) and Foster or Loynes (1962).
An Agnes Glass Cook married William Foster in Edinburgh in 1939.
A Helen Kean Smith Cook married Robert Aitchison in Glasgow in 1927, and a Mary Jack Cook married Benjamin Aitchison in Larbert in 1935.
There are 10 deaths of females surnamed Cook, mother's surname Watson, born 1915-1935, died after 1974, none of whose given names match those above.
This is the sort of thing that would be fairly straightforward in the Scotland's People Centre, but is impossible online because of the cut-off dates.
There are no marriages of a Margaret Watson to a Cook in England and Wales before 1943.
And I may have got everything completely wrong :)
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suzilad,
You mention not being able to find a divorce. On the 1941 marriage record, is Margaret's status listed as divorced (rather than spinster or widow)?
The reason I ask is to try to ascertain whether she had been married previously or if perhaps her mother had been remarried to someone named Cook, with the end result being that Margaret sometimes used her stepfather's name. I'm assuming it's the former.
I'm assuming that Margaret's 1941 marriage and 1963 death took place in Scotland. I'm also assuming that, when you say you haven't found a marriage for Margaret Watson + Mr. Cook, you mean you haven't found a marriage for them in Scotland.
Have you checked for a possible marriage in England, just in case? FreeBMD has a 1926 marriage for a Margaret E. Watson and an Alfred Cook in Yorkshire. Might that be her?
In my experience, death records in Scotland have listed all spouses, but it sounds like Margaret's death record only lists her widower, John Bishop. Is that correct?
Have you checked online newspaper archives for marriage or death notices pertaining to Margaret and Mr. Cook?
Good luck in your search!
Regards,
Josephine
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Thank you for your prompt reply I have been in NRH many times and always try to find this information but have never had any luck .
It doesn't state on the marriage cert .that she was a widow or formerly married to ???Cook. She did have an illegitimate child in 1916/17 and she registered the birth and the child had her surname Watson.
Thank you again
suzilad
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suzilad,
So, if the 1941 marriage says she was a spinster, but that she was sometimes called Cook, I would try to find out if Margaret's father had died and if her mother subsequently married someone with the surname Cook.
Have you got Margaret in the 1901 and 1911 census? I'm just wondering if she might have been raised by someone with the surname Cook (rather than officially adopted).
Regards,
Josephine
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, I would try to find out if Margaret's father had died and if her mother subsequently married someone with the surname Cook.
Hi
I did this a while ago and her mother's death cert (1953) didn't show a re-marriage. Just says widow of Robert Watson, Informant was their son, Robert Watson.
Gadget
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Hi ,
Her mother was alive when Margaret married she died in 1953 and the only marriage was to Robert Watson.
On the marriage cert in 1941 it just states Margaret Watson or Cook a waitress nothing regarding widow divorced or spinster
I have just looked at her birth cert. again and her full name was Margaret Wallace Robertson Watson
so that wouldn't fit in with the marriage you found in 1926 unfortunately.
She was at home with her parents on the census
Thank you
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On the marriage cert in 1941 it just states Margaret Watson or Cook a waitress nothing regarding widow divorced or spinster
I think you'll find that the cert says that Margaret is a Widow on the 1941 marriage.
Gadget
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Wow, this certainly is a tough one.
Did the child born in 1916 or 1917 ever marry? I'm wondering if s/he gave a father's name (in case it was Mr. Cook). Was a father named on his/her death record?
Regards,
Josephine
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My apologies everyone I have just had another look at the certificate .
Trying to do to many things at once.
Regards,
suzilad
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Have you ruled out the 1934 marriage (on ScotlandsPeople) between Margaret Watson and James William Cooke?
Regards,
Josephine
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I'm wondering if she was in a common law marriage with a Mr Cook so no marriage registration.
Gadget
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Have you ruled out the 1934 marriage (on ScotlandsPeople) between Margaret Watson and James William Cooke?
Regards,
Josephine
Looked at that one and wrong parents.
PS - just looked again and it says she was 20. Parents were Alexanader Watson and Jane Reid
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She did have an illegitimate child in 1916/17 and she registered the birth and the child had her surname Watson.
What was the name of the child? Have you found a marriage of the child? Is the child the parent of E Cherry?
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Yikes, Gadget, it seems that you've already given this a thorough examination.
I also wonder about the possibility that Margaret had a common-law relationship with Mr. Cook.
The 1941 marriage would have given Margaret's residence (and occupation) at the time. I wonder if there are city directories for that period that could be searched for Margaret Watson or Cook?
Regards,
Josephine
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FreeBMD has a 1926 marriage for a Margaret E. Watson and an Alfred Cook in Yorkshire.
How did I manage to miss that one when I searched on FreeBMD?
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I have just looked at her birth cert. again and her full name was Margaret Wallace Robertson Watson
so that wouldn't fit in with the marriage you found in 1926 unfortunately.
Not sure about the Margaret E.
PS - a pity Scotland doesn't have their 1939 online :-\
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The 1941 marriage would have given Margaret's residence (and occupation) at the time. I wonder if there are city directories for that period that could be searched for Margaret Watson or Cook?
Regards,
Josephine
Margaret's residence was 20 Edina Place, Edinburgh. She is recorded as a Restaurant Waitress.
Gadget
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Good Morning,
Gadget I wonder if you would link me to the previous post regarding Margaret I for the life or me can't find it.
Margaret had a son in 1917 on his birth cert. she registered his birth no father named she was an enveloper folder.
Her son married in 1943 and on that and his death cert. no father mentioned just mother Margaret Watson or Bishop
I think this is mystery that is never going to be solved I have been trying to find this marriage for almost twenty years.
Thank you all for your input if it is ever solved I will let you know.
Thanks again
suzilad
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Which particular post was it? The address was on the marriage certificate.
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On reply 5 you said you had did this a while ago but for the life of me I can't find when I asked for help on here regarding Margaret Watson .
suzilad
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A while ago - I meant earlier in the day rather than a long time ago ;D
I read your query and started delving but couldn't find a marriage that fitted and went off and did something else.
PS - I often have a few queries on the go!
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I still think city directories might be a good place to search, if you can access them, suzilad. You could start in 1941 and go backwards, searching under both surnames. Her son (if he lived with her) might have been listed with her once he got to a certain age.
Regards,
Josephine
P.S. If she was cohabiting with anyone, he'd be listed there, too.
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Just wondering, what was Margaret's address when she married John in Newington area in 1941?
Monica :)
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Details removed by me....
I wonder if this could be some connection?
Monica
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Ah thank you Gadget problem solved.
On the 1941 marriage Margaret is living at 20 Edina Place on her son's birth certificate she was living at 8 Edina Street.
I will have to wait till I can go back to NRH to look at these certs. Monica could be a possible connection.
I know that her son was brought up by grandparents .He married and had two sons one of them being married to my sister .
Thanks
suzilad
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Just wondering, what was Margaret's address when she married John in Newington area in 1941?
Monica :)
Might be a bit late now, Monica, just come back ~
The 1941 marriage would have given Margaret's residence (and occupation) at the time. I wonder if there are city directories for that period that could be searched for Margaret Watson or Cook?
Regards,
Josephine
Margaret's residence was 20 Edina Place, Edinburgh. She is recorded as a Restaurant Waitress.
Gadget
See that suzilad has given it.
Gadget
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Edina Place was on/off Easter Road? PO Directory for 1940-1 https://archive.org/stream/postofficeedin194041edin#page/746/mode/2up
There is VR entry on SP for both 1930 and 1935 which has:
Mrs Margaret COOK - Tenant Occupier
HOUSE 373 EASTER ROAD LEITH
EDINBURGH
1930
VR010000625-
Monica
ADDED: There are no additional details on the VRs for those two years to help further.
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Thanks Gadget :)
Monica
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The 1930 and 35 VRs look very interesting, Monica. It suggests that Margaret was Head of Household by then.
Found a Herbert Cook living same address in 1925
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The VR details has him as a Customs Officer
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Hm - not sure. He died in 1927 and it says he was married to a Margaret ?argo.
Add - signed by Margaret Cook, widow, at that address.
Clip:
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A Mrs Margaret Dalziel was living at 20 Edina Place in 1935 and no sign of a Margaret Watson or Cook there. It was multi-occupied.
Gadget
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Yes, just seen that too Gadget.
Margaret Dargo dies in 1953.
Pity :-\
Monica
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Think that 1940 birth cert is needed.
Gadget
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suzilad, one more to check next time you are at NRH!
Have you ever used the mother's maiden name option for a birth search entry post 1929? I understand from Forfarian that this can be done from around this year but only in person at one of the main centres.
Monica
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Can't think that there's anything else that we can find from online records. I don't think that Newspapers would have any announcements :-\
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I have found something else,
The person who was born in 1940, might well have died this year, aged 78 - Clackmannanshire. No mention of married surname.
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Thank you all for your input
We have Monica nephew and I have spent may hours during the last fifteen years going through the records looking for his great grandmother's first marriage --it has always puzzled us as we thought on the 1941 marriage cert. it would have read she was the widow of ???? Cook.
One day hopefully we will strike gold.
suzilad
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suzilad - If you do go to one of the records offices or NRH, it would be worth checking on the 1940 birth, the 1960 marriage and the death that I've just referred to.
Gadget
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Gadget I only live a few miles from NRH won't be for a wee while but I certainly will look at these
certs. on my next visit .
Thank you all for all your input and advice much appreciated.
suzlad
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The person who was born in 1940, might well have died this year, aged 78 - Clackmannanshire. No mention of married surname.
Other surname was Lennox. Marriage in Alloa in 1960 of Margaret C W J Cook but I haven't found a birth.
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The one who died recently had MMN as Watson.
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Suzilad
Monica has the details of the 1960 marriage and 1940 birth - I'm sure she'll give you details via PM if you ask. The parties might still be alive so we can't put their names up just in case.
Gadget
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I would love to have them. Unfortunately, we can only get as far as the index for now, with the details we have above so far (1940 birth and 1960 marriage).
We will keep fingers crossed, suzilad, until you are able to view in person :)
Monica
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I meant the names, etc. I thought you 'd removed them.
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Just got back home and just did...
Monica :)