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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: Worlygigger on Wednesday 21 March 18 23:11 GMT (UK)
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I'm puzzled by this gentleman - it's difficult to confirm who his parents were. I don't know where this St James parish could be. That is all that is given in the 1851 census. Lawrence died in 1860. His possible parents James and Martha came from Norfolk and had younger children in Yaxley in Suffolk.
The fact that Lawrence is in London in 1851 suggests that St. James parish could be the one in central London and therefore he might have nothing to do with James and Martha Stanton.
Any suggestions would be welcomed.
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Is he the man with wife Ann in 1851 ? Married Ann Fleming 19 November 1843. The parish register at St Mary Newington of their marriage confirms his father was a James Stanton - labourer.
Claire
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I have found a record for the marriage of a James Stanton of Yaxley to a Martha Walne at Pulham St Mary the Virgin, Norfolk but this is in 1825 - which would make Lawrence a bit younger than what you thought or they are possibly not his parents.
Have you found any possible baptism for him ?
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Thank you for looking into this for me. What you have said is correct - a marriage in 1825 between James Stanton and Martha Walne and, according to the 1851 census, Lawrence would have been born in 1820-1821, which would make him illegitimate by James and Martha, or by Martha and someone else, or by completely different parents. But, as you say, his father was called james.
I cannot find Lawrence in the 1841 census, having searched exhaustively using different search terms. In 1846, he was in gaol - perhaps he was also in gaol in 1841. Lawrence died in 1860.
St. James parish is the puzzler - I'm still trying to work out if this was in Norfolk or Suffolk.
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There are lots of St.James parishes in Norfolk and Suffolk but there is a village St James, South Elmham, Suffolk.
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Presuming I am looking at the correct prison record - tried at Surrey September 1846, imprisoned for 9 months for assault - his age given in the record was 21( year of birth 1825) - which would tie in nicely with James & Martha's marriage in 1825, if she was possibly pregnant when they married.
Claire
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Thanks for that - I'll have to get myself down to the SRO and look in St James South Elmham baptisms for about 1825.
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If this is his death then he would have been born 1821.
STANTON, LAWRENCE 39
GRO Reference: 1860 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 194
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Going back to the marriage of a James Stanton of Yaxley to a Martha Walne at Pulham St Mary, the other Witnesses Robert Stanton, Elizabeth Stanton, they could be James siblings...
James Stanton. baptised 12 Sep 1799, St Mary the Virgin, Pulham St Mary. To James and Sarah.
Robert Stanton. baptised 12 Jun 1805, St Mary the Virgin, Pulham St Mary. To James and Sarah.
Elizabeth Stanton. baptised 10 Jun 1813, St Mary the Virgin, Pulham St Mary. To James and Sarah.
Fathers occupation, Miller. Other siblings, William 1802, Thomas 1804, John 1808, Anna 1817.
There is a Chapel of St James, Pulham St Mary the Virgin.
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James Stanton b1799 was living with Martha in Fressingfield, Suffolk in 1871 age 72. Occupation Miller.
Between 1853 and 1862 he owned a freehold house, land and mill in Mill Lane, Pulham St Mary.
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Thanks for that imput. That's given me a few leads to go on. :D
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The fact that Lawrence is in London in 1851 suggests that St. James parish could be the one in central London and therefore he might have nothing to do with James and Martha Stanton.
Why then do you think he might be from Norfolk? St James as enumerated in Lambeth in 1851 would more likely be Westminster, or possibly Clerkenwell.
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Lawrence's son Richard ended up in America. One of his descendants has a tree on Ancestry which suggests that Lawrence was from Ireland. I've looked at the census in America, two state Lawrence was from England, the other ( 1920 census) state he was from Ireland.
Possibly another avenue to pursue or if you use Ancestry maybe worth getting in touch with this person.
James Stanton miller of Suffolk left a Will in 1876, maybe if he is the father of Lawrence his grandchildren may get a mention.
Claire
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Thanks Claire. The will would more than likely mention all the surviving sons and daughters. Hopefully it is held by the Suffolk record Office.
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imprisoned for 9 months for assault
Knocked a defenceless man to the ground, then kicked him in the head. He and his friends left the poor chap in a very bad way.
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Yes, I read the newspaper report, quite a brutal assault. He was fortunate to only get 9 months.
I seem to recall a possible workplace mentioned - a waterworks ? Wonder if Lawrence was employed by them or if any work records survive that may yield clues.
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Its a bit of a stab in the dark, but could this family be connected?
1851 Middlesex, St Giles, HO107/1508/75/12
James Stanton 53 Carman b St Luke, Middx
Emma 16 Daur Scholar b St James, Middx
Sarah 23 Daur Dressmaker b St James
Matilda 18 Daur Scholar b St James
Thomas 17 Son Errrand Boy b St James
I'm struggling to find them together in 1841, particularly as the ages seem very 'out' for the description of scholar.
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Ooh Jomot ! What a good find :)
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All the children look to be baptised together in the parish of St James on 8 March 1846
William - born 25 Aug. 1824
Sarah - born 21 April 1827
Thomas - born 7 March 1834
Emma - born 6 March 1837
Matilda - born 23 Feb 1839
Parents: James and Caroline, James a carver and guilder, address:12 Mears ? Ct.
So if Lawrence were a son of this couple and he was already married by the baptism date, there is a possibility he wasn't baptised at all
Claire
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Its a bit of a stab in the dark, but could this family be connected?
1851 Middlesex, St Giles, HO107/1508/75/12
James Stanton 53 Carman b St Luke, Middx
Emma 16 Daur Scholar b St James, Middx
Sarah 23 Daur Dressmaker b St James
Matilda 18 Daur Scholar b St James
Thomas 17 Son Errrand Boy b St James
I'm struggling to find them together in 1841, particularly as the ages seem very 'out' for the description of scholar.
This could move the search from Norfolk to Middlesex. Baptism records for St.James, Westminster seem to only be available online up to 1882 all other records are held at City of Westminster Archives Centre.
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All the children look to be baptised together in the parish of St James on 8 March 1846
William - born 25 Aug. 1824
Sarah - born 21 April 1827
Thomas - born 7 March 1834
Emma - born 6 March 1837
Matilda - born 23 Feb 1839
Parents: James and Caroline, James a carver and guilder, address:12 Mears ? Ct.
So if Lawrence were a son of this couple and he was already married by the baptism date, there is a possibility he wasn't baptised at all
Claire
If James the father was 53 in 1851 he is more likely to be Lawrence's brother.
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James Stanton and Caroline Boynton married 11 Nov 1816 St Margarets Westminster. So the couple could well have fathered Lawrence.
Claire
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James Stanton and Caroline Boynton married 11 Nov 1816 St Margarets Westminster. So the couple could well have fathered Lawrence.
Claire
Sorry Claire your right, I'm search to many threads at the same time and getting DOB's mixed up :-[
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You and me both solidrock, no apology needed :)
Claire
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This is becoming more muddling by the day. I think I need to completely discount any connection Lawrence might have had with either Suffolk or Norfolk or not. Has anyone come across any documentary record that specifically states a connection to East Anglia? In particular, is Norfolk or Suffolk mentioned on his gaol record (I assume this is a London record) - place of birth?
Incidentally, a lady in the USA has prompted my own investigation into Lawrence Stanton which I am doing purely out of curiosity.
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Just saw this thread, but my first thought would be for Suffolk, St James = St James Southelmham.
The Southelmham villages all known by the church dedication, All Saints, St Cross (or Sancroft), St James, St Margaret, St Michael, St Nicholas and St Peter.
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