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Title: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Sunday 01 April 18 14:07 BST (UK)
James William Williams  born 1885 Portsea Hampshire. Married to Minnie Elizabeth Hayson 1921. Now it gets confusing. She was buried in the Isle of Wight 1948 but with a James Henry Richard Williams!!!
What is also confusing, I think James Henry was married to a Minnie Elizabeth Shepherd!! Can anyone help?
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: emeltom on Sunday 01 April 18 14:45 BST (UK)
James Henry Richard Williams did indeed marry a Minnie Elizabeth Shepherd in 1919. I rather think that the Minnie Elizabeth who died in 1948 and is buried with James Henry is his wife and not the Minnie Elizabeth you are looking for. Minnie was 56 when she died in 1948 which gives a birth year of 1892 and there was a Minnie Elizabeth Shepherd born 1892 in Battle.
The only birth I can find for a Minnie Hayson is in Portsea in 1881. There is a death for a Minnie Williams  Jun 1961 Isle of Wight 6b 1047 aged 80 which gives a birth year of 1881.

Emeltom
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Sunday 01 April 18 15:00 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your help. Looks like Minnie was 4 years older than James.
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Sunday 01 April 18 16:05 BST (UK)
Hi Emeltom. Further to your reply, I cannot seem to find the birth details for Minnie Hayson, Also, nowhere can I find any information on the 1891 1901 or 1911 census'.
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: emeltom on Sunday 01 April 18 17:11 BST (UK)
The information for her birth came from the Parish Register for Portsea. The entry reads Minnie Elizabeth hayson born 24 August 1881, bapt. 26 July 1882. Parents Charles and Mary Ann. Father's occupation Stone Mason. Abode 24 Finsbury Street

I suspect that she is the entry on FreeBMD

Elizabeth Minnie Haysom Sep 1881 Portsea 2b 448 mmn Vine

Charles Haysom married Mary Ann Vine Mar 1879 Portsea 2b 634

The only Census I can find her on is 1891 under the name Haysom

If you don't have her marriage cert it might be worthwhile getting it to confirm her father's name. Ref June 1921 Portsmouth 2b 1006

Emeltom

Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Sunday 01 April 18 17:33 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your help. I think we may solve it now. Kind Regards
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 02 April 18 17:29 BST (UK)

Hi,

Not very helpful I'm afraid, but I think that the Elizabeth Minnie HAYSOM born in Portsea in Sep Q 1881 might have died before the 1901 census,


Death
Elizabeth Minnie HAYSOM    Mar Q 1900    Portsea Island    2b 434
Age:  18

It would explain why she can't be found in 1901 and 1911.



I wonder if this could be Minnie?

Birth
Minnie Elizabeth HAYSOM    Mar Q 1899    Portsea Island    2b  466
mmn:  BEEBY


Baptism
Portsea, St John
27 Apr 1899
Minnie Elizabeth
Parents:  Samuel William and Minnie Maria HAYSOM
Abode:  25 Prince George St, Portsea
Blacksmith R.N.


Parents marriage
Samuel William HAYSOM    Jun Q 1898    Portsea Island    2b  985
Minnie Maria BEEBY   


1901  RG13/99  f.108  p.16    Portsea
29 Prince George Street, Town

HAYSOM   (HAYSON at Ancestry)
Samuel William    Head    29    Armourer R.Navy   
Marie             Wife    26   
Minnie Elizabeth    Daur    2
Minnie Elizabeth    Daur    9 days
All born Hants Portsea


Odd that it has Elizabeth twice, there is an Alice Victoria born Jan Q 1901 that would seem to be the 9 day old daughter looking at the 1911 census.

In 1911 Marie is now Minnie, still married (but Samuel isn't there) at 43 Gladstone Street, Portsmouth. (HAYSAM at FindMyPast).


There is this death,

Death
Minnie Elizabeth WILLIAMS    Sep 1980    Portsmouth    20  0618
DOB:  28 Jan 1899


which matches a Minnie E Williams found in 1939, married but husband not there so don't know if it is James :(


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: emeltom on Monday 02 April 18 18:42 BST (UK)
That certainly sounds more plausible than the version I came up with. Buying her marriage cert should verify the name of her father.

Emeltom
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 02 April 18 18:53 BST (UK)

I agree, buying the marriage cert. seems the only way to be sure it is the Minnie :)
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Tuesday 03 April 18 13:28 BST (UK)
Hi Emeltom and Daisy. Many thanks for the discussion, I will take your advice and get a copy of James and Minnies marriage certificate. Incidentally, James William was my great uncle, never met him but it,s all part of my family history. Mostly I've got back to pre 1800. Kind Regards.
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Tuesday 03 April 18 13:42 BST (UK)
Hi Emeltom. Re Minnie Hayson. Looked on the 1891 census, put in Charles Haysom, up he comes with Minnie Haysom at 9 years old. Also, when I went on the 1881 census he come up as Charles Haysone. So that's 3 ways of spelling his name!!!Regards
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 03 April 18 16:40 BST (UK)


Please let us know how you get on, it's always nice to find the end to a puzzle  :)

Daisy
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Tuesday 03 April 18 17:14 BST (UK)
Hi Daisy Petal. As soon as I find out I'll let you know.
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Thursday 05 April 18 16:55 BST (UK)
I have taken your advice and ordered the marriage certificate. Should get it mid to late April
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Thursday 12 April 18 12:50 BST (UK)
Hello again. Just received the copy of marriage certificate June 1921 2b 1006. It 's for a James Walter Williams age25 married to Minnie Elizabeth Hayson age 22. Not the right name for James or the ages. Also it names his father as James Walter Williams and her father as Samuel William Hayson. I shall have to look further.
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Daisypetal on Thursday 12 April 18 16:52 BST (UK)

Oh no, that's a shame.

From the tile of your post I think we are looking for James William WILLIAMS not Minnie Elizabeth HAYSOM.

Is he the James William WILLIAMS living with his parents James and Jane Margaret in 1911?  If so, do you find him anywhere after this?


Regards,
Daisy
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Thursday 12 April 18 20:48 BST (UK)
Hi Daisypetal. Yes my great uncle. I haven't any later information on him after 1911 census. Maybe he wasn't married. Before I got the certificate Minnie seemed a good bet!!
Title: Re: James William Williams
Post by: Grampy1 on Thursday 19 April 18 13:33 BST (UK)
Hi all Thanks for your help on this matter. Got a bit more info about James. Birthdate 26 March 1885, worked in Portsmouth dockyard 1899 to 1913. I'm pretty sure he died 1929 but was named as William Williams. I am going to close the topic.