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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Thefamilyresearcher on Friday 13 April 18 15:18 BST (UK)
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I am building a tree starting from my maternal grandparents and I’ve found a lot of confusing information on one side that I’m hoping someone might be able to help with.
John Richardson, can’t find specific date of birth but it seems he originated from North Shields and working back from his marriage in 1921 he seems to have been born around 1900
He married Annie Wigham in 1921 in Easington area (seaham specifically) however, the records show her Christian name as Sarah (?) they had a son in February 1922 John Richardson but seem to have divorced some time shortly afterwards. There is a record of Annie Wigham marrying Michal Bolton a sea captain from Seaham and having another child, Michael.
Annie seems to have had two female siblings, EVA (Tout nee Wigham who died in London in the 80s) and Ellen who seems to have lived in the York area.
Living relatives recall that John Richardson (Snr) lived at Springfield Gardens in North Shields in c1950 and that he remarried but that is as far as I’ve managed to get.
Has anyone else researched the same lines?
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Hello and welcome :)
What details do you have from John’s marriage certificate in 1921 - his father's name and occupation and witnesses?
Regards
Heywood
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Is this their marriage?
John Richardson
Annie Wigham
4th qtr 1921
Tynemouth, Northumberland
Vol:10B Page:469
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Second Marriage?
September quarter 1940 Durham vol 10a pg 1573
Michael Bolton and Annie Wigham or Richardson
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That seems to be them, a very short marriage before their son was born in February 1922
Is this their marriage?
John Richardson
Annie Wigham
4th qtr 1921
Tynemouth, Northumberland
Vol:10B Page:469
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Do you know that Eva Tout is definitely if your family?
Which records do you have which give Sarah and not Annie?
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Yes, that’s Annie’s second marriage. Is there a way to find out when she divorced and on what grounds?
quote author=heywood link=topic=791701.msg6476833#msg6476833 date=1523632398]
Second Marriage?
September quarter 1940 Durham vol 10a pg 1573
Michael Bolton and Annie Wigham or Richardson
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I’m afraid I don’t have that certificate. However, from responses below, I can now start to look for it
Hello and welcome :)
What details do you have from John’s marriage certificate in 1921 - his father's name and occupation and witnesses?
Regards
Heywood
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Hi, yes, Eva Tout was Annie’s eldest Sister. She moved to London and died in Finchley
Do you know that Eva Tout is definitely if your family?
Which records do you have which give Sarah and not Annie?
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John Richardson, can’t find specific date of birth but it seems he originated from North Shields and working back from his marriage in 1921 he seems to have been born around 1900
Please can you give the details of his father's name and occupation from the 1921 marriage certificate?
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Divorce search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937
I can’t see one but not familiar with this
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Welcome to rootschat
Is this the family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH7-3GW
Parents James & Laura bn Seaham
Annie age 8 bn Whitstable
plus others including Nellie & Eva
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Divorce search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937
I can’t see one but not familiar with this
Might this be the Divorce? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8088024
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Annies birth registration if I have the right family in 1911
WIGHAM, ANNIE mmn FOOTS
1903 Sept Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 1005
From freebmd
Marriages March qtr 1903
FOOTS Laura
WIGHAM James
Easington RD 10a 581
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Divorce search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937
I can’t see one but not familiar with this
Might this be the Divorce? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8088024
I wasn’t looking with middle names :)
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There is a tree on anc* that says Annie died in 1954 aged 51, so year of birth approx. 1903
Record can be found on www.durhamrecordsonline.com/
Burial:
10 Nov 1954
Princess Road Cemetery, Seaham, Durham
Annie Bolton, age: 51, wife of Michael Bolton
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Annies siblings birth registrations
WIGHAM, JAMES mmn FOOTS
1904 Dec Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 968
WIGHAM, ELLEN mmn FOOTS
1906 March Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 997
WIGHAM, CLARA BALLS mmn FOOTS
1907 Sept Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 992
WIGHAM, EVA BALLS mmn FOOTS
1908 Sept Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 1023
WIGHAM, MARY JANE FOOTS mmn FOOTS
1911 June Quarter in EASINGTON Volume 10A Page 529
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Good finds Rosie :)
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Thank you Heywood :)
It looks as though Annie Bolton (Richardson) bn 1903 is in Kent prior to WW2 ???
To get further back on John Richardson senior I think you may have to purchase the marriage certificate.
You can order it here using the details provided earlier
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Have you any idea what happened to John junior after his parents split up.
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Hi, yes, Eva Tout was Annie’s eldest Sister. She moved to London and died in Finchley
Annies siblings birth registrations
WIGHAM, EVA BALLS mmn FOOTS
1908 Sept Quarter in BLEAN Volume 02A Page 1023
These two don’t match - Finchley death and Eva Balls Wigham :-\
Eva Balls Tout 90yrs birth 23 July 1908
Rugby, Warwickshire September 1998 74d
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Eva & Frederice C Tout are living at 9 The Grove, Finchley in 1965.
He died that year
Death June qtr 1965
FREDERICE C TOUT age 72
Barnet reg district 5a 100
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Yes I can see that but it was the death in Finchley for Eva that threw me.
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It threw me too :) I looked earlier and could not see a London death for Eva, perhaps just family rumour. :-\ :)
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Eva Wigham married Frederick Tout 1947, Barnet, Hertfordshire
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Have you any idea what happened to John junior after his parents split up.
There is an online tree with John Richardson jnr b.25 Feb 1922, Easington d.24 Feb 1982 Sunderland. Parents John and Annie Richardson.
The tree has John Richardson snr born 1910 ???
JJ
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Divorce search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937
I can’t see one but not familiar with this
Might this be the Divorce? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8088024
Have the couple ever used those second names - John Richard and Annie Elizabeth?
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Does the second marriage state that Annie was divorced. :-\
Does the 1939 register indicate whether she was single or married.
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Divorce search
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/divorce/#4-divorce-case-files-1858-1937
I can’t see one but not familiar with this
Might this be the Divorce? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C8088024
Have the couple ever used those second names - John Richard and Annie Elizabeth?
It could be this couple that divorced, I know it is a shot in the dark :-\
Marriage Sep qtr 1900
Richardson John Richard
Robinson Annie Elizabeth
Grimsby 7a 1333
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Yes I saw that one too and as there is no place given re the divorce in the indexes and no mention of those middle names, I just thought it worth querying.
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Hi Thefamilyresearcher,
Welcome to RootsChat. :)
I have found the North Shields marriage at the North Shields library in the local studies department. This is on microfilm:
Holy Trinity Church, North Shields
Entry No: 123
November 6th, 1921
John Richardson and Annie Wigham
His age: 25
Her age: 18
Bachelor and Spinster
John's profession: Carpenter
Residence for both: 35 Penman Street
Fathers:
Walter Richardson - Caulker
James Wigham - Mariner
John and Annie signed their names
Witnesses were Margaret Richardson and Samuel Shipley (both witnesses signed their names)
From this record it would appear that John's date of birth was around 1896
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Perhaps John's parents may have been Walter Richardson who married Margaret Pickering at Holy Saviour, Tynemouth in 1895. They only hold details in book form of marriages between 1861 and 1879. Also they have baptisms between 1861 and 1905 neither John or Annie were baptised at this Church.
Unfortunately, the local studies do not hold this record of the marriage of Walter and Margaret. I think Tyne and Wear Archives would be likely to have this, however.
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That’s a help :)
Should that be Annie Wigham not Duggan?
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National School Admission Register
Buddle School, Wallsend (Juniors mixed)
Date of admission: 18th January 1907. John Richardson, date of birth 27th December 1898. Father: Walter. Address: Harle Street. last school: St John's Darlington. Leaving date: 17th May 1907. Cause of leaving:Sunderland.
Walter Richardson. Date of birth:14th May 1900. All details are the same as John's except for admission date: 25th January 1907
Not sure this is your John though :-\
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Could this be Walter's death notice? This appeared in the Shields Daily News dated Friday October 29 1937:
'RICHARDSON.- At 45 Gardner Street, 28th inst., aged 68 years, Walter, dearly beloved husband of Margaret Elizabeth Richardson. Interment Preston Cemetery Monday, leaving residence 3 pm. All friends and fellow workmen kindly invited.'
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Could this be Margaret's death notice in the Shields Daily News dated Wednesday, September 4, 1946:
'RICHARDSON - At 16 William Street West, on Sept. 3rd, aged 72 yrs., Margaret Elizabeth, wife of the late Walter Richardson. Interment Preston Cemetery, Friday 2.45 p.m., leaving residence 2.30 p.m. Private.'
Hi heywood,
Yes this should be recorded as Wigham on marriage above and not Duggan. (Post 29) This was an autocorrect error - thanks for telling me I will amend post to right name.
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Thanks for the marriage details River Tyne Lass
This looks like the family you are looking at in 1911 - father Walter is Iron Ship Caulker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMN-MH7
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1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS97-7D3
Child is entered on census as Joseph - unless John is elsewhere.
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Johns birth registration
RICHARDSON, JOHN mmn PICKERING
1896 Sept Quarter in TYNEMOUTH reg district
Volume 10B Page 235
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There is a lovely memoriam in the Shields Daily News dated Friday October 28, 1938:
RICHARDSON.- Treasured memories of my dear husband. Walter, who died October 28th, 1937. - Though his smiles have gone forever. And his hands we cannot touch, We shall never lose sweet memories, of the one we loved so much. The flowers we lay upon his grave may wither and decay. But the love for him who lies beneath, Will never fade away, for us he always did his best, May God Grant him eternal rest.- Sadly missed.- Always remembered by his loving wife and family.'
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It is lovely -
‘for us he always did his best’.
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I think John may be with his mother just before WW2 :-\
Tynemouth C.B
Margaret E Richardson 1874
John Richardson 1896
and 1 more person are on this record
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Yes, I think this memoriam is lovely too - one of the most beautifully worded I have come across.
I think this is likely to be Margaret's memoriam in the Shields Daily News dated Wednesday, September 3, 1947:
'RICHARDSON.- Treasured memories of our mother and father, who died Sept. 3, 1946 and Oct. 28, 1937. Not just today, but every day, we will remember them. - Always remembered by their family.'
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Walter's burial entry at Preston Cemetery:
Entry No: 1812
Walter Richardson
Male
68 years
Profession: Caulker
Place where death occurred: 45 Gardner Street
Burial: 1 November 1937
Ceremony performed by J McDonald Queen
Unconsecrated Ground 12743
Parish: North Shields
Margaret's burial:
Entry: 371
Margaret Elizabeth Richardson
Female
72 years
Housewife
Date of death: 3rd September 1946
Place where death occurred: 16, William Street West, North Shields
Burial: 6th September 1946
Unconsecrated Ground: Section C 12743
Parish: North Shields
As they both share the same grave I think this is likely to be a purchased grave and therefore they may have a gravestone.
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Just to point out that the school records posted are not the right ones - John Richardson b.27/12/1898 was the son of a Walter Edward and Mary Elizabeth Richardson and actually a John William Richardson - his brother Walter born 2 years later.
Looks like Annie's husband John Richardson was born 29/7/1896 (son of Walter and Margaret) and died in Mar.qtr.1978 North Tyneside.
Annette
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Thanks Annette - I have now found John also at Preston. He died on 24th March 1978.
As this is a relatively recent death I think I may not be allowed to post all details but I will send Thefamilyresearcher a pm now.
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Familyresearcher
You've got some really good information here, particularly some excellent look-ups from River Tyne Lass. It would be good to hear if you've found these of interest :)
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Well, I didn’t think you would be as successful as this :) it seemed a bit vague in the beginning.
(I am still worried about Eva ;))
What do you think, thefamilyresearcher?
I would think you would probably like some certificates to ensure you have the right family but River Tyne Lass has some great details for you. Well done to her. :)
Regards
Heywood