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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: rkive82 on Saturday 12 May 18 23:32 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I want to ensure that I have the correct Elizabeth Morris who married my 3rd great uncle Robert Laycock Dickinson in Q March 1862 in West Bromwich, Staffs. vol 6b page 662. The record may still say Richard Laycock Dickinson, but it is Robert. His spouse appears to be missing on the record.
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Update; The Anc***** marriage record still appears to be missing Elizabeth, but the FreeBMD record does list her.
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So who was Elizabeth's father?
Thanks
Richard
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From Family Search
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name Richard Laycock Dickinson
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year 1862
Registration District West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Event Place West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Volume 6B
Page 662
Line Number 26
Richard Laycock Dickinson probably married one of the following people
Name Mary Lister
Name Elizabeth Morris
Name John Henry Power
Unless you know which church they married in - the marriage cannot be looked up in parish records
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My theory is that ROBERT Laycock Dickinson married Elizabeth Morris who was the daughter of Billingsley Morris, land surveyor.
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Elizabeth's sister Rebecca Surges Morris is living with her parents in the 1871 census, but is living (unmarried) with Robert and Elizabeth in the 1881 census. All the dates and places correspond.
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If I don't hear from another source, I may have to order the birth certificate to get the information I need.
Thanks
Richard
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The marriage is not listed on www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk which would have shown the venue.
The full GRO index shows him as Richard - not Robert
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Now I'm determined to get to the bottom of this.
Family trees on Anc***** have lots of info for Billingsley, his mother Elizabeth Surgey and his daughter Elizabeth except ...
There's a gap in the years following 1861 and they have (incorrectly I think) listed Elizabeth's death as 1895.
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I'll order the certificate if I have to.
Richard
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There's a gap in the years following 1861 and they have (incorrectly I think) listed Elizabeth's death as 1895.
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I'll order the certificate if I have to.
Hello Richard
I wouldn't trust family trees, without checking & working back myself, the actual Death, Marriage, Birth, Death, Marriage, Birth ... Certificates & Documents starting with my known ancestor, along with the Census.
Mark
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I agree with you Mark.
I added Billingsley Morris and Rebecca Surgey Morris to my tree and everything fits.
I ordered the marriage certificate.
One or two other trees really have researched deeply, so I believe I'm on the right trail.
Richard
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The only birth for a Robert Laycock Dickinson is 1849 in Hunslet so we can discount him as he was only 13 in 1862
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The reason Elizabeth Morris not coming up as possible bride on Ancestry is because they have transcribed the reference as 6b page 66 and not 6b 662 - looking at the original GRO index page the 3rd number of page - '2' - is there but it is faint and the transcriber omitted it.
Annette
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Robert Laycock Dickinson was born on 1st October 1814 and baptised on 24th May 1815 at St Lawrence Jewry, the son of John Dickinson and Elizabeth Ayres.
Robert died on 10th March 1891 at Sutton Coldfield.
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Robert's first wife was Lydia Minshall who died on 9th December 1859.
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Richard
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The birth certificate for John Morris Dickinson states that John was born on 1st September 1863. He was the son of Robert Laycock Dickinson and Elizabeth Morris.
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It would be quite a coincidence if a Richard Laycock Dickinson married an Elizabeth Morris about the same time wouldn't it.
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I look forward to receiving the marriage certificate in a week or so.
Richard (not Robert ;D)
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The marriage certificate says Richard Laycock Dickinson and the groom has (apparently) signed as R L Dickinson.
Everything we (i.e. I) know about RLD before and after the marriage fits. RLD was 47 at the time of the wedding, so his birth of 1813 fits. His father was John Dickinson decd. as expected.
Elizabeth was indeed the daughter of Billingsley Morris, a land surveyor. Billingsley and his son Pierce were among the witnesses.
Was it a mistake or was there some subterfuge here? Perhaps we'll never know, but this satisfied my curiosity.
Richard
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Oooops! Let's see if this is more legible.