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Title: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Saturday 12 May 18 23:32 BST (UK)
Hi there,
  I want to ensure that I have the correct Elizabeth Morris who married my 3rd great uncle Robert Laycock Dickinson in Q March 1862 in West Bromwich, Staffs. vol 6b page 662. The record may still say Richard Laycock Dickinson, but it is Robert. His spouse appears to be missing on the record.
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Update; The Anc***** marriage record still appears to be missing Elizabeth, but the FreeBMD record does list her.
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  So who was Elizabeth's father?
Thanks
Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 12 May 18 23:37 BST (UK)
From Family Search

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index
Name    Richard Laycock Dickinson
Event Type    Marriage
Registration Quarter    Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year    1862
Registration District    West Bromwich
County    Staffordshire
Event Place    West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Volume    6B
Page    662
Line Number    26
 
Richard Laycock Dickinson probably married one of the following people
Name    Mary Lister
Name    Elizabeth Morris
Name    John Henry Power

Unless you know which church they married in - the marriage cannot be looked up in parish records
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Saturday 12 May 18 23:52 BST (UK)
My theory is that ROBERT Laycock Dickinson married Elizabeth Morris who was the daughter of Billingsley Morris, land surveyor.
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Elizabeth's sister Rebecca Surges Morris is living with her parents in the 1871 census, but is living (unmarried) with Robert and Elizabeth in the 1881 census. All the dates and places correspond.
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If I don't hear from another source, I may have to order the birth certificate to get the information I need.
Thanks
Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 13 May 18 00:05 BST (UK)
The marriage is not listed on www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk which would have shown the venue.

The full GRO index shows him as Richard - not Robert

Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 13 May 18 00:30 BST (UK)
Now I'm determined to get to the bottom of this.
Family trees on Anc***** have lots of info for Billingsley, his mother Elizabeth Surgey and his daughter Elizabeth except ...
There's a gap in the years following 1861 and they have (incorrectly I think) listed Elizabeth's death as 1895.
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I'll order the certificate if I have to.
Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 13 May 18 00:56 BST (UK)

There's a gap in the years following 1861 and they have (incorrectly I think) listed Elizabeth's death as 1895.
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I'll order the certificate if I have to.


Hello Richard

I wouldn't trust family trees, without checking & working back myself, the actual Death, Marriage, Birth, Death, Marriage, Birth ... Certificates & Documents starting with my known ancestor, along with the Census.

Mark
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 13 May 18 01:07 BST (UK)
I agree with you Mark.
I added Billingsley Morris and Rebecca Surgey Morris to my tree and everything fits.
I ordered the marriage certificate.
One or two other trees really have researched deeply, so I believe I'm on the right trail.
Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 13 May 18 01:33 BST (UK)
The only birth for a Robert Laycock Dickinson is 1849 in Hunslet so we can discount him as he was only 13 in 1862
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: Annette7 on Sunday 13 May 18 01:43 BST (UK)
The reason Elizabeth Morris not coming up as possible bride on Ancestry is because they have transcribed the reference as 6b page 66  and not 6b 662 - looking at the original GRO index page the 3rd number of page - '2' - is there but it is faint and the transcriber omitted it.

Annette
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 13 May 18 02:01 BST (UK)
Robert Laycock Dickinson was born on 1st October 1814 and baptised on 24th May 1815 at St Lawrence Jewry, the son of John Dickinson and Elizabeth Ayres.
Robert died on 10th March 1891 at Sutton Coldfield.
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Robert's first wife was Lydia Minshall who died on 9th December 1859.
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Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 13 May 18 20:34 BST (UK)
The birth certificate for John Morris Dickinson states that John was born on 1st September 1863. He was the son of Robert Laycock Dickinson and Elizabeth Morris.
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It would be quite a coincidence if a Richard Laycock Dickinson married an Elizabeth Morris about the same time wouldn't it.
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I look forward to receiving the marriage certificate in a week or so.
Richard (not Robert  ;D)
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 20 May 18 22:59 BST (UK)
The marriage certificate says Richard Laycock Dickinson and the groom has (apparently) signed as R L Dickinson.
Everything we (i.e. I) know about RLD before and after the marriage fits. RLD was 47 at the time of the wedding, so his birth of 1813 fits. His father was John Dickinson decd. as expected.
Elizabeth was indeed the daughter of Billingsley Morris, a land surveyor. Billingsley and his son Pierce were among the witnesses.
Was it a mistake or was there some subterfuge here? Perhaps we'll never know, but this satisfied my curiosity.
Richard
Title: Re: Who was the father of Elizabeth Morris who married Rob Laycock Dickinson in 1862
Post by: rkive82 on Sunday 20 May 18 23:09 BST (UK)
Oooops! Let's see if this is more legible.