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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: ozlady on Wednesday 16 May 18 05:33 BST (UK)
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He;s a bit of a mystery man, this one!
First appearance 1881 UK census. Lives with father Thomas at 255, New Cross Rd. Greenwich. He marries Sarah Ann Purchase Mar. 1883 in Malling, Kent.
The next appearance is 19/10/1886 when he disembarks the "Chyebassa' in Brisbane with wife Mary Ann, infant Felix born JFM 1886 Medway Kent.
I assume he's back in South Africa by 1899 where daughter Audrey Elizabeth Marian is born followed by Cecil Alfred in 1903, he dying later that same year.
Then there's big gap........... he doesn't appear until he gets murdered in 1914!!!
Where did he embark the "Chyebassa"? What happened to Sarah Ann? When did he return to South Africa and come back again to Australia?
Any help or suggestions to fill the gaps would be greatly appreciated (and stop me pulling my hair out!!!!!)
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The newspaper report of his murder states he had been in Australia for 10 months, so that would make it about January 1914. His grave index card shows wife as Sarah Church.
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Please would you change your heading so the man's surname is in uppercase lettering. Bit confusing as to which name is given and which surname.
Sue
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Hi,
Queensland Post Office Directory (Wise) 1894-95
GIRLING Alfred, Woolcock St, Redhill.
Gerry
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The Chyebassa departed London on 24th August 1886, arrived Brisbane 19th October 1886.
Remittance Passengers, Brisbane
6980, GIRLING, Alfred S, 25, Engineer.
6981, GIRLING, Sarah, 24
6982, GIRLING, Alf, 2
8983, GIRLING, Felix, infant.
Gerry
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Free BMD lists these births:
Sep Qr 1884
Alfred Thomas H GIRLING, reg Medway, Vol 2a p562
Mar Qr 1886
Felix George H GIRLING, reg Medway, Vol 2a p606
Judith
I see some information about the children. Are you only looking for info re the father (AHS GIRLING)? Happy to post if you want but don't want to transcribe if you already have it.
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1895 Queensland State Electoral Roll.
The Electoral District of Enoggerra
GIRLING, Alfred Henri Samuel, 31, Arthur terrace, Dillon's Hill, at back of Ithica State School. Clerk and Draftsman, qualified to be on the roll by residence, 4th October 1894.
Gerry
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There are also children born to AHS GIRLING and Sarah Ann Church in Queensland:
1888 B40364 George William Girling
1889 B44417 Vida Irene Girling
1890 C4886 Arthur Bates Girling
1894 C3823 Gladys Ruby Eva Girling
1895 C4159 Leslie Vivian Girling
1897 C4009 Albert Norman Girling
So, presumably he was in Qld until 1896/7 depending on the date of conception of Albert Norman.
Similarity between names of father and son seem to have caused some confusion in a couple of on-line trees which indicate that AHS's father also had another variation on the forenames, and also seems it have come to Queensland.
Once again,happy to post more info if you want it.
Judith
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Sunday Mail 26April1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98275684
GIRLING, Sarah Ann.—Relatives and Friends of Mr. and Mrs. A. T. H. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. G. W. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. A. R. S. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. L. V. Girling, Mr. and Mrs. Irene W. Therman. Mr. and Mrs. B. Howard, and Families are Invited to attend the Funeral of their be loved Mother, Mother-in-law, Grand
mother, and Great-grandmother, Sarah Ann Girling, to leave the Funeral Parlour, 45 Adelaide Street, City, after Service commencing at 8.15 o'clock To-morrow (Monday) Morning for the Crematorium Mount Thompson.
Courier Mail 27April1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50554109
Courier Mail 30May1953 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/50547058
STATUTORY NOTICE TO CREDITORS.
SARAH ANN GIRLING, late of Sandgate who died at Sandgate on the Twenty-fifth day of April, 1953.
Qld death:
1953 B42968 Sarah Ann GIRLING; Father- Samuel CHURCH -
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What happened to Sarah Ann? When did he return to South Africa and come back again to Australia?
Sarah Ann died 25th April 1953.
This information comes from the digitised WW1 record of her son Norman Albert GIRLING.
She had a pension from the government because he was killed in action during his overseas action.
Sue
SORRY, Did not see COL's post. duplicated info.
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QLD deaths:
1888 B21038 Felix George Hamilton GIRLING; Alfred Henri Samuel Girling; Sarah Ann Church
1922 F3263 Norman Albert GIRLING; Alfred Samuel Henri Girling; Sarah Ann Church
1962 B53199 Arthur Robert Bates GIRLING; Alfred Henri Samuel; Sarah Ann Church
1963 B57911 Alfred Thomas Henri GIRLING; Alfred Samuel Henri; Sarah Ann Church ** late Purchase
1972 B31094 Vida Irene WITHEYMAN; Alfred Henri Samuel Girling; Sarah Ann Church
1974 C5211 Ruby Glady Ezever HOWARD-OSBORNE; Alfred Thomas Henri Girling; Sarah Ann Church
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Hi,
From Ancestry
The United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Register 1751-1921 has Alfred Henri Samuel GIRLING, 42, Clerk, date of initiation on 3rd Jan 1910 at Nairobi. Resigned 29th June 1911.
Gerry
Corrected GIRLING from GURLING, my error, Gerry
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This is the prior marriage.
Marriages Sep 1880
CHURCH Sarah Ann
PURCHASE Henry
St. Olave 1d 337
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Hi.
1903 Queensland Commonwealth Electoral Roll
GIRLING, Sarah, Primrose terrace, Red Hill.
1905 Queensland Commonwealth Electoral Roll
GIRLING, Sarah, Primrose terrace, Red Hill.
1908 Queensland Commonwealth Electoral Roll
GIRLING, Sarah Ann, Armstrong terrace, Upper Paddington,
1910 Queensland State Electoral Roll
GIRLING, Sarah Ann, Primrose terrace, first on right from Kennedy terrace.
Gerry
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Hi,
Part of the South African question is answered in the following 1914 newspaper article.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/203043742?searchTerm=
Gerry
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Hi,
Queensland Police Gazette, Saturday, 3rd September 1898, page 356.
A warrant has been issued by the Brisbane Bench for the arrest of Alfred Samuel Henry GIRLING for with deserting his children etc etc.
Can post the whole notice if needed.
Gerry
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Thank you everyone for your help, some questions resolved, some remain, some pop up for the first time! I will sift through it all and get back to you all!
I apologise for my tardy response. My beautiful dog died Thursday morning, so I've been in a bit of a daze, still am actually.
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So sorry, ozlady. Losing a loved pet is horrible.
Take care, Judith
Gerry - a brilliant find; that newspaper article explains a lot.
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Doesn't it just !!! That's amazing ! Thank you ! I have a couple of reports but nothing like that!
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If I am reading this news item posted by Gerry correctly.
Thomas LLEWELLYN, was the accused (later acquitted)
He was marriad to Marcia
Mary Ann DAVIES was married to James DAVIES, and she was nee LLEWELLYN, being Thomas' sister.
Mary Ann deserting her husband and numerous children ran away with Alfred GIRLING and called herself GIRLING. Alfred also deaerted spouse and numerous children.
The couple went to South Africa where Mary Ann had three children, all Alfred's.
Thomas her brother went to SA too for a while.
So the births you are seeing in your opening post in South Africa, are not Sarah Ann's but Mary Ann's.
One of the three was alive at the time of the trial, named Ruby.
Maryborough Chronicle, Wide Bay and Burnett Advertiser. Wed 14 Oct 1914
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/151018779
"Up until a little over 12 months ago she had resided with Girling. Three children were born to her of which Girling was the father. Two were dead and one (Ruby) living……..She made three visits to Australia from South Africa in connection with the children by her lawful husband ….. "
Sue
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For your interest.
Obituary Mary Ann DAVIES. Published 29th Nov, 1928
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/21349607
Apart from her children with James DAVIES, there is mention of "another" at Maryborough.
This seems likely to be Ruby.
Incorrect.Struck through
Ruby married in Brisbane and lived at Wynnum and divorced in Brisbane too.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/195502384
Sue
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Again, thank you! My neighbour, whose grandfather this chap was, is amazed!
The bit that confuses me is "wife of James Davies, whom she had left 10 years ago, when she went to South Africa with deceased" followed by " about 13 years ago, when witness came over from South Africa"............. maybe I'm missing something??
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Well, the few pieces of documented evidence show this.
Order re. desertion by Alfred of his family 1898
Child born in South Africa 1899. This was probably Audrey, child of Mary Ann and Alfred.
So it seem like 12/13 years from then to the time of the trial in 1914.
Sue