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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: lmfamilyresearch on Thursday 17 May 18 00:28 BST (UK)
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Has anyone made a connection between James Pitt, a shopkeeper in Hereford (Bye-town street and High-town) from 1830-1851 and James Pitt baptized on 23 Mar 1807 in Canon Frome. James Pitt the shopkeeper is my ancestor but I don't know if he is the same James Pitt baptized in Canon Frome. If yes, then I am able to trace this line further back. If no, then I have a bit of a brick wall.
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Is he on the 1851 census? Where does he give as his birthplace?
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Hi,
Unfortunately he is not on the 1851 census (at least that I can find). I do know that he moved to Canada (Toronto) with his family in 1851 so I suspect he left Hereford before the 1851 census was taken and after the Canada 1851 census was taken (because I can't find him on that one either). He does appear in the Canada 1861 census.
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The James Pitt born 23 March 1807, Canon Frome, Herefordshire. Died 15 July 1862, Toronto, York, Ontario.
Familysearch. MLCH-2MT
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Maybe him, The Clothing Trade in Provincial England, 1800–1850
https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=eeg5CgAAQBAJ&pg=PA232&lpg=PA232&dq=james+pitt-shopkeeper-+hereford
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A very tenuous link:
As you know, from your postings on this forum, James Pitt (c1806 to 1862) was draper at Scotland House, High Town, Hereford and married to Sophia, the daughter of substantial farmer Charles Rufford Bennett of Clehonger, Herefordshire.
In my, limited, experience the children of farmers often married children of other farmers – presumably because they socialised together – so I wonder if James Pitt was also from a farming family. He must have had some assets to open his business in 1830
In February 1833 a Mr Pitt of Ashperton (Herefordshire) advertised a reward for the return of a lost sheepdog if returned to him or Mr Pitt of Scotland House, Hereford.
It would be logical for the two Mr Pitts to be connected.
Census returns etc show a likely candidate as farmer Stephen Pitt (c1804 Canon Frome, Herefordshire) of Wassington Farm, Ashperton.
Stephen Pitt of Wassington, Ashperton married at Ashperton in 1830 Ann Bishop of Castle Frome.
So the Pitts seem to be farmers from Castle Frome.
Interesting that in 1841 at White House Farm, Canon Frome is farmer James Pitt (aged 62 who died 18th July 1841) and wife Elizabeth which would be right age to be the parents. Elizabeth died 25th March 1863 at the Stone House, Bosbury.
Her executors were sons John Pitt of Weston Beggard and Walter Pitt, ironmonger, of Ledbury.
The wills of either may give the link you are looking for.
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Regarding the Clothing Trade in Provincial England 1800-1850: yes this is the same James Pitt. I know this because I have found marriage and death notices in the Hereford papers that say he was from High-town/Bye-town. Even though he moved with his wife and children to Canada, the family still put notices in the Hereford papers.
Regarding the tenuous link: my gut feeling is they are the same family. I will request a copy of the will. I will do the same thing for the Bennetts that are associated with this Pitt family.
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MARRIAGE;
07 Oct 1802, St Mary the Virgin, Bishops Frome
James PITT of Dormington Parish
Elizabeth HOLLINGS
Notes; a Minor with consent of Parents
BAPTISM
STEPHEN Pitt 4 Apr 1805, St James, Canon Frome to JAMES/ELIZ
Siblings;
JAMES 23 Mar 1807
WILLIAM 30 Jun 1808
JOHN 22 Feb 1810
ELIZABETH 19 Jul 1811
(FreeREG)
Familysearch.Org has;
MARGARET 25 March 1813
WALTER 16 June 1815
THOMAS 8 June 1817
HENRY 5 Nov 1818
FRANCIS 26 Nov 1821
1861 Census Walter Pitt born c 1815 Cannon Frome has his Neice Araballa Pitt born c 1836 Kidderminster, Worcestershire living with him.
She was christened 1833 to WILLIAM/ELIZA
1851 she is with her Parents in Bosbury, Herefordshire.
Marriages on F/S;
MARGARET Pittt to John Beddoe 25 April 1838
THOMAS Pitt married twice 1339 to Lydia DAVIES (Daug Catherine born 1840 on 1841 Census) then to Mary HARFORD 1846
Trish :)
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There doesnt appear to be a Will for Elizabeth 1863 but there is one for James;
Type Date of Probate Surname Forename Parish Executor(s) Name(s) Value Jurisdiction
W 29/12/1841 Pitt James Canon Frome Elizabeth Pitt <1,500.00.00 Diocesan
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We have 2 pictures which have been handed down from my mother which show White House Farm in March (year unknown). It states on the write up to Country Life magazine the following:
The accompanying photographs were taken this year at the White House Farm on the Canon-ffrome estate, near Ledbury in Herefordshire. Mr Walter Pitt, the present tenant, and his ancestors who have occupied the farm since the year 1804, have always taken great pride in their snowdrops, as well as in their hops for which the Canon-ffrome estate has for so long been celebrated. The appearance of this farm garden during the month of March was a really beautiful one.
I guess you may well be interested in having these pictures as we have no idea why they are in our family. We would gladly pass them on to you. Regards, Rowland.
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Hi Rowland,
I would really appreciate having the pictures. I will try to send you a message to provide you with my address.
Thanks,
Liisa
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Hi Liisa,
Rowland has to make 2 more replies on here before the PM system is activated and you can exchange email addresses :)
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Hi Liisa
I have received your address via PM, but to activate PM I will post another reply.
Rowland
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Hi Liisa
I think we may have the picture of White House Farm because there are Pitt's in our family although I don't think they are in any way connected to White House Farm. All my Pitt relations were born in Worcester, England.
Rowland
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Hi Rowland,
I have often wondered if my Pitt's had originated from Worcester since it seems to relatively close to Canon Frome. I would be interested to hear more about your Pitt ancestors (we can do this via email). I am under the impression that James Pitt of Canon Frome may not have been born at Canon Frome.
Liisa