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Could anyone tell me if electoral rolls for Yarmouth before 1939 (or an index) are searchable online? I can't see them on a freesite.
This query links to http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794284.0
Sgt Raymond SHEPHERD, k-i-a 1 May 1943 age 21, No. 929961, RAFVR, 77 Sqdn, buried Row E. Grave 81. Muiden General Cemetery, Son of Ada Shepherd, of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk.
We have found his mother (d1965) in 1939:
Ada H SHEPHERD, widowed, born 14 Jan 1887, 28 Belfort Place, Great Yarmouth, Laundry Worker Iron.
The usual trawls through FreeBMD and GRO (including spelling variants) have found possible births for Raymond but nothing definitive and no obvious linking marriage of Ada to SHEPHERD, so we are trying to track Ada back from 1939 to identify a husband or other relatives.
Thank you for reading, and thanks in advance if you can help.
Philip
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Thank you Philip!
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There is a Ada Hannah Shepherd on the 1920 Electoral roll at 28 Belfort Place, off St Nicholas Rd. At the same address is an Ellen Corke
I can't find this Ada in any other year as yet. There is another = Ada Mary Cunliffe Shepherd with Arthur Cunliffe Shepherd at Winsford Hall
There is an Ada Shepherd at V.A.D. Military Aux. Hospital, Woodbastwick Hall, South Walsham, Norwich who started there in Jan 1916 as a laundress. No birth year!
This record is in the collection British Army, British Red Cross Society volunteers 1914-1918
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I have had it in the back of my mind that Raymond may have been illegitimate. There is this birth to add to the other 3 that Philip found
FreeBMD
Sept 1/4 1923 Raymond E Shepherd mmn Sheppard reg dist. Cardiff vol 11a page 927
I can't find any other records for Raymond E.
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Ellen Corke was in the Electoral roll 1930 with Ada Hannah Shepherd.
Could she be a sister and this Ada's birth?
Births March 1/4 1884
Ada Hannah Corke reg dist Yarmouth vol 4b page 26
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Maybe the Ellen Corke with Ada H in the 1930 Electoral Roll isn't her sister but her mother as Ada is with her parents in both 1901 and 1911 but no sister with the name Ellen. The mother was born c1850. Father Charles.
I can't see a marriage for an Ada H Cork* on FreeBMD 1899 - 1980
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Ellen Corke was in the Electoral roll 1930 with Ada Hannah Shepherd.
Could she be a sister and this Ada's birth?
Births March 1/4 1884
Ada Hannah Corke reg dist Yarmouth vol 4b page 26
Do you have the address in 1930? (or is it a typo for the 1920 electoral roll you found?
I'm hunting hunches and will add a longer post later
Philip
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1939 Register has
SHEPHERD Ada H, widowed, born 14 Jan 1887, 28 Belfort Place, Great Yarmouth, Laundry Worker Iron.
Ada Hannah Shepherd on the 1920/1930 Electoral roll at 28 Belfort Place (with Ellen CORKE) must be Ada living there in 1939 (unless it was her mum and "our" Ada moved in and mum moved out or died - unlikely!)
Ada was not with a husband in 1920, 1930 and 1939. Where was he? Who was he? Was he?
If we go with the idea that Ada was the daughter of Charles & Ellenor/Eleanor CORKE, Ada's stated age is a good fit with the 1939 Register:
1901 census: North Quay, Yarmouth
Charles Cork, Head, 50, born St Faiths, Norfolk
Eleanor Cork, Wife, 51, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
Alice George, Daughter, 24, born Ludham, Norfolk
Henry Cork, 19, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
Ada Cork, Daughter, 17, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
George Cork, Son, 15, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
Bertie Cork, Son, 12, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
Victor Cork, Son, 9, born Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk
(ADDED) Death found on FreeBMD:
CORKE Eleanor, age 81, Mar qtr 1931 Yarmouth vol 4b p14
The occupation of Ada in 1939 fits very nicely with the VAD laundress in Norwich Jan 1916. If this is her, there are three possibilities:
1) Ada SHEPHERD had an illegitimate child Raymond c1922
2) Ada (CORKE or unknown) married Mr SHEPHERD in or before Jan 1916
3) Ada (CORKE or unknown) was not married and in addition to Raymond born c1922 there must have been at least one other illegitimate child born in or before 1916 to explain the surname SHEPHERD. Did the VAD take on mothers of young children?
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It is the 1930 Electoral Roll and what I didn't notice before is that Charles Shepherd is also with Ada and Ellen Cooke.
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It is the 1930 Electoral Roll and what I didn't notice before is that Charles Shepherd is also with Ada and Ellen Cooke.
Yippee!
That ties in nicely with death registrations:
CORKE Charles age 85, Sep qtr 1934 Yarmouth vol 4b p1
CORKE Eleanor, age 81, Mar qtr 1931 Yarmouth vol 4b p14
Given that Ada CORKE (born c1884) is on the 1911 census I looked for marriages in Norfolk after 1911 - nothing.
I looked for deaths 1911-1983 Only one:
CORKE Ada M age 78, Dec qtr 1968 Yarmouth vol 4b p614
but this ties in with a marriage:
Sep qtr 1913 Yarmouth vol 4b p12 - WESTGATE Ada M to CORK Bertie
so it can be eliminated
The case for Ada CORKE being the same person as Ada Hannah SHEPHERD is getting stronger.
I am now checking off every England/Wales marriage for Ada to Mr SHEPHERD (there are none in Norfolk)
Philip
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In 1899 Ada's brothers, George, Bertie and Victor were all at Northgate Boys School Great Yarmouth.
Admitted by their father Charles.
From Victor's birth reg on the GRO index his mother's maiden name was England. Charles Cork to Eleanor England married March 1/4 1872 registration district Gateshead in Co. Durham Vol 10a page 913
Same mother's maiden name for Ada Hannah.
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I wonder if it worth getting in touch with FindMyPast to see if they will confirm the closed record on the 1939 register as Raymond Shepherd? I know they say they must have a death certificate but if the death record is provided just maybe they would confirm it is Raymond even if they don't redact the record.
I can't find a marriage under Cork/e/ for Ada and I can't find a birth for Raymond mmn Cork/e.
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Wow you guys are really good at this.....
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There is one
Sep 1921 Rochford 4a 1339
Corke, Raymond S.
mother Corke
Perhaps the S is for Shepherd!
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There is one
Sep 1921 Rochford 4a 1339
Corke, Raymond S.
mother Corke
Perhaps the S is for Shepherd!
Great find jonw65.
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The redacted one on 1939 would not be Raymond. Only living people are redacted.
If it was Raymond It would be listed and havea death cert no written on second page
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The redacted one on 1939 would not be Raymond. Only living people are redacted.
If it was Raymond It would be listed and have a death cert no written on second page
Would this be routinely done with servicemen killed in action? Who would be allowed to edit the register and who would inform them of a death?
(I don't know a lot about the 1939 Register, so these may be naive questions.)
Philip
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As we have already established, Ada SHEPHERD was at Belfort Place OFF ST NICHOLAS ROAD, in 1939 and the Electoral Roll 1930. In 1911 Ada CORK with her family at Coniston Square - again OFF ST. NICHOLAS ROAD. So the two addresses were very close, it's looking more like she could be the same person.
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Taking the CORKE family from the 1901 census to find BMDs
birth Mar qtr 1848 Yarmouth vol 13 p395 ENGLAND Eleanor mmn PYE
birth Dec qtr 1850 St Faith's vol 13 p108 CORKE Charles mmn HARVEY
marriage Mar qtr 1872 Gateshead vol 10a p913 - 4 on page including CORKE Charles and ENGLAND Eleanor
birth Sep qtr 1873 South Shields vol 10a p840 CORKE Charles William mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1877 South Shields vol 10a p816 CORKE Jane Eleanor mmn ENGLAND
birth Sep qtr 1879 South Shields vol 10a p760 CORKS Margaret Ann mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1882 Mutford vol 4a p895 CORK Henry Edward mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1884 Yarmouth vol 4b p26 CORKE Ada Hannah mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1886 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE George mmn ENGLAND
birth Mar qtr 1889 Yarmouth vol 4b p25 CORKE Bertie mmn ENGLAND
birth Sep qtr 1891 Yarmouth vol 4b p28 CORKE Victor mmn ENGLAND
The 1881 census (familysearch transcript) RG11 5028/29 p21 in South Shields has:
Charles 30 head, Eleanor 32 wife, Charles W 7 son, Jane E 4 daughter, Margaret A 1 daughter
The 1891 census (familysearch transcript) RG12 1503/105 p14, Nelson Terrace, Yarmouth has:
Charles 44 head, Eleanor 41 wife, Charles W 17 son, Jane E 14 daughter, Margaret A 11 daughter, Henry E 9 son, Edith A 7 daughter, George 5 son, Bertie 2 son. NOW HOLD ON THERE! EDITH A? ??? ??? This must be Ada H - but where does the name Edith come from? (and does it matter?)
Anyway, back to the point.
marriage Jun qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p37 on same page CORKE Jane Eleanor & GEORGE John (is this "Alice" on the 1901 census?)
marriage Dec qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p50 CORKE Margaret Ann & BOLINGBROKE Charles Edward
(confirmed surnames matching births in Yarmouth on GRO)
This gives us some new surnames to throw into the mix. If Ada Hannah CORKE was the mother of Raymond SHEPHERD (definite birth not yet found) or Raymond S CORKE Sep 1921 in Rochford (that's a brilliant find!) might she possibly have been sent to stay with a relative - CORKE, ENGLAND, PYE, HARVEY, GEORGE or BOLINGBROKE?
Philip
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Hi Philip, this may clarify the mystery of Ada Corke and Edith Corke (in 1891) being the same person, and confirm that Ada Shepherd in 1939 is Ada/Edith/Edie Corke.
Baptism
Name: Edie Hannah Cork
Baptism Age : 0
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1884 (Same date as Ada gives in 1939 :D) Just noticed, the year of birth she gives in 1939 is 1887, but day and month are the same.
Baptism Date:7 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles Cork
Mother Eleanor Cork
(I have seen the original image of the Bishop's Transcript)
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Hi Philip, this may clarify the mystery of Ada Corke and Edith Corke (in 1891) being the same person, and confirm that Ada Shepherd in 1939 is Ada/Edith/Edie Corke.
Baptism
Name: Edie Hannah Cork
Baptism Age : 0
Birth Date: 14 Jan 1884 (Same date as Ada gives in 1939 :D) Just noticed, the year of birth she gives in 1939 is 1887, but day and month are the same.
Baptism Date:7 Feb 1884
Baptism Place: Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
Father Charles Cork
Mother Eleanor Cork
(I have seen the original image of the Bishop's Transcript)
Yay! I thought she must be the same person, but it needed to be confirmed. Your find confirms that Edith is the same person as Ada on the birth registration and censuses. The birth date on the baptism record being the same as on the 1939 Register (allowing for a variation in the year - which is not uncommon) is very strong evidence that Edie Hannah/Ada Hannah CORKE is Ada Hannah SHEPHERD. Combined with the CORKE and SHEPHERD names in the same house in 1930 and 1939 it makes the case watertight.
The birth registration found by jonw65:
Sep 1921 Rochford vol 4a p1339 CORKE Raymond S, mmn CORKE
is the strongest candidate we have for the birth of Raymond SHEPHERD (age 21 in 1943). There are no other CORKE or SHEPHERD candidates in England/Wales in 1921 or 1922 and the only potential in 1923:
birth Sep qtr 1923 Cardiff vol 11a p927 SHEPHERD Raymond E, mmn SHEPPARD
looks to relate to:
marriage Dec qtr 1921 Cardiff vol 11a p895 SHEPHERD Albert E & SHEPPARD Jessie M.
crisane found on the CWGC website for Raymond Son of Ada Shepherd of Great Yarmouth, Norfolk (on the thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794284.9).
Does anyone doubt that we've cracked it? Rootschat teamwork at its best!
Philip
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Philip, I'm quite sure the Rootschat Team have cracked it! We just need to track down some living relatives.
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That certainly looks like the right family. Impressive work everyone! Now to track down some living relatives...
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BOLINGBROKE BMDs
marriage Dec qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p50 CORKE Margaret Ann & BOLINGBROKE Charles Edward
birth Mar qtr 1902 Woolwich vol 1d p1314 BOLINGBROKE Margaret Alice mmn CORKE
death Jun qtr 1925 Yarmouth vol 4b p14 BOLINGBROKE Margaret A age 23
birth Sep qtr 1904 Woolwich vol 1d p1293 BOLINGBROKE Ada Winifred mmn CORKE
death Sep qtr 1921 Lewisham vol 1d p891 BOLINGBROKE Ada W age 17
birth Sep qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p76 BOLINGBROKE Muriel Ivy mmn CORKE
marriage Sep qtr 1935 Woolwich vol 1d p3067 BOLINGBROKE Muriel I & KEMPT George L
birth Mar qtr 1944 Woolwich vol 1d p928 KEMPT mmn BOLINGBROKE
(no marriage or death found on FreeBMD England/Wales for this man up to 1983)
That's as far as I have reached using free sites.
Philip
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GEORGE BMDs
marriage Jun qtr 1900 Yarmouth vol 4b p37 on same page CORKE Jane Eleanor & GEORGE John (is this "Alice" on the 1901 census transcript?)
death Sep qtr 1908 Yarmouth vol 4b p11 GEORGE Jane Eleanor age 30
death Jun qtr 1914 Yarmouth vol 4b p34 GEORGE Alice age 37
No births for GEORGE mmn CORKE (including spelling variants) found on GRO England/Wales
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BOLINGBROKE BMDs
birth Sep qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p76 BOLINGBROKE Muriel Ivy mmn CORKE
marriage Sep qtr 1935 Woolwich vol 1d p3067 BOLINGBROKE Muriel I & KEMPT George L
birth Mar qtr 1944 Woolwich vol 1d p928 KEMPT mmn BOLINGBROKE
(no marriage or death found on FreeBMD England/Wales for this man up to 1983)
Philip
George & Muriel I Kempt, with the (cannot name) son b. 1944 are at 38 Green Lane, Greenwich, Woolwich West in 1965 Electoral Register.
I cannot see a marriage or a death for the son either. (Ancestry go up to 2005 for marriage, 2007 for death)
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Well I go to bed and wake up to lots of additional information and agree that Ada Hannah Corke is the mother of Raymond.
I have heard of instances of living people having an open record on FindMyPast and deceased people being redacted.
I wonder if Ada/Hannah/Edith ever worked for Arthur Cunliffe Shepherd and his wife Ada Mary Cunliffe Shepherd who lived at Winsford Hall in the Electoral rolls. Evidently Winsford Hall is an area not a house looking at google or could it be both?
Great searching Rootschatters 8)
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Henry Edward CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1882 Mutford vol 4a p895 CORK Henry Edward mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
no marriage found in Norfolk
no death found in Norfolk up to 1983
marriage Dec qtr 1912 Lambeth vol 1d p845 CORKE Henry E M & EDWARDS Beatrice A
marriage Sep qtr 1915 Kingston vol 2a p1411 CORKE Henry & JACOBS May E
marriage Sep qtr 1919 Tunbridge vol 2a p2504 CORKE Henry & MAY Florence
marriage Dec qtr 1921 Dursley vol 6a p576 CORKE Henry E & DRUCE Evelyn S
death Mar qtr 1919 Sevenoaks vol 2a p1373 CORKE Henry E age 35
death Sep qtr 1936 Greenwich vol 1d p699 CORKE Henry E age 53
death Jun qtr 1964 Hastings vol 5h p368 CORKE Henry E M age 81
None of these marriages or deaths obviously match Henry, so a fair amount of work would be needed.
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George & Muriel I Kempt, with the (cannot name) son b. 1944 are at 38 Green Lane, Greenwich, Woolwich West in 1965 Electoral Register.
I cannot see a marriage or a death for the son either. (Ancestry go up to 2005 for marriage, 2007 for death)
Is there a death on Anc for George or Muriel? If we find a year and district it might enable a search of obits, death notices etc to move the search forward.
Philip
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Well I go to bed and wake up to lots of additional information and agree that Ada Hannah Corke is the mother of Raymond.
I wonder if Ada/Hannah/Edith ever worked for Arthur Cunliffe Shepherd and his wife Ada Mary Cunliffe Shepherd who lived at Winsford Hall in the Electoral rolls.
That's what happens when you give us leads and go to bed. You can't turn your back on us for five minutes without us getting up to all sorts of fun :)
Surely you can't be hinting that Arthur Shepherd (or a male relative) was misbehaving? ;D ;D :o
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Muriel Ivy Kempt
born 22 Aug 1912
Death Sept 1/4 1985
District Great Yarmouth Norfolk
Register number 785
Vol 10 page 1170
Surely you can't be hinting that Arthur Shepherd (or a male relative) was misbehaving? ;D ;D :o [
Weeeeeeell maybe.
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Death
George Leopold Kempt
Age 89
Birth Date 15 Aug 1908 (same date as he gives in 1939)
Registration Date Apr 1998
Medway, Kent
Register Number B30A
District and Subdistrict 5611B
Re. the death of Muriel found by crisane - birth date also matches 1939 so we have the correct people.
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George CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1886 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE George mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
probable death Mar qtr 1954 Yarmouth vol 4b p554 CORKE George age 68
many possible marriages in England/Wales 1911 to 1936 - if George had a middle name!
could this be George marrying at age 48?
marriage Dec qtr 1934 Yarmouth vol 4b p84 CORKE George T A & SAUNDERS Violet A
birth Mar qtr 1935 Yarmouth vol 4b p18 CORISH(?) mmn SAUNDERS
birth Mar qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p40 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
birth Sep qtr 1944 Yarmouth vol 4b p1 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
birth Sep qtr 1947 Yarmouth vol 4b p880 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
UPDATE - No it couldn't!
birth Dec qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p30 CORK George T A mmn DANKS
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Bertie CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1889 Yarmouth vol 4b p25 CORKE Bertie mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
probable death Jun qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p6 CORKE Bertie age 47
marriage Sep qtr 1913 Yarmouth vol 4b p12 CORK Bertie & WESTGATE Ada M
probable birth Mar qtr 1890 Mutford vol 4b p11 WESTGATE Ada Maud
probable death Dec qtr 1968 Yarmouth vol4b p614 CORKE Ada M age 78
no births for CORKE mmn WESTGATE found
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Victor CORKE
birth Sep qtr 1891 Yarmouth vol 4b p28 CORKE Victor mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
death Jun qtr 1970 Yarmouth vol 4b p1368 CORKE Victor d-o-b 12 Aug 1891
Is this a relative?
birth Mar qtr 1917 Yarmouth vol 4b p40 CORK Victor F mmn BEAVERS
marriage Dec qtr 1940 Yarmouth vol 4b p22 CORK Victor F & KEMP Joan M
no obvious marriage found 1911-1940 in England/Wales
EDITED - I missed Victor's marriage to Hilda BEAVERS! Annette7 found it!
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Victor Corke - Ada's youngest brother - would appear to change his name to Cork.
He married a Hilda M. Beavers in 1916 - his surname transcribed as Cook on Ancestry.
They appear to have had just one child - a son named Victor Frederick Cook b.1917, d.2000.
Victor F married a lady named Kemp in 1940 and they had a son born 1944 in Ely. Said son married a lady named Peacock 1966 Norwich (had one daughter) and according to electoral rolls he and his wife are living in Cromer, Norfolk.
Obviously, I cannot name as still living but Victor F's son can be easily found in birth index, likewise his marriage in 1966.
Victor F. would have been a cousin of Raymond Shepherd (his son now living in Cromer would be some kind of cousin but too tired right now to work out the exact type).
Annette
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SUMMARY:
CORKE Charles William - not yet researched.
CORKE Jane Eleanor m GEORGE John - no descendants yet found.
CORKS Margaret Ann m BOLINGBROKE Charles Edward. KEMPT descendant may be alive.
CORK Henry Edward - possible marriagers, nothing definite yet.
CORKE Ada Hannah - mother of Raymond SHEPHERD (CORKE)
CORKE George - no obvious marriage yet found.
CORKE Bertie m WESTGATE Ada. No descendants yet found.
CORKE Victor m BEAVERS Hilda. Son Victor F CORKE m KEMP. Son married PEACOCK.
CORKE/PEACOCK and daughter in Cromer.
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George CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1886 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE George mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
probable death Mar qtr 1954 Yarmouth vol 4b p554 CORKE George age 68
many possible marriages in England/Wales 1911 to 1936 - if George had a middle name!
could this be George marrying at age 48?
marriage Dec qtr 1934 Yarmouth vol 4b p84 CORKE George T A & SAUNDERS Violet A
birth Mar qtr 1935 Yarmouth vol 4b p18 CORISH(?) mmn SAUNDERS
birth Mar qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p40 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
birth Sep qtr 1944 Yarmouth vol 4b p1 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
birth Sep qtr 1947 Yarmouth vol 4b p880 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
UPDATE - No it couldn't!
birth Dec qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p30 CORK George T A mmn DANKS
Marriage June Q 1912 Great Yarmouth 4b 42
George Cork, on same page Madeline H Danks
George (Ada's brother) b. 14 Jan 1886 & Madeline can be found in 1939 Great Yarmouth. Strangely, in the same household is a married Eugenie R SAUNDERS, b. 1915.
I have also found George's baptism which confirms this d.o.b, father Charles, mother Eleanor.
FreeBMD Marriage:
Eugenie R Corke, on same page Osbourne C Saunders
June Q 1936 Great Yarmouth 4b 80
FreeBMD birth
Eugenie R Corke, mmn Danks, Sept Q 1915 Great Yarmouth 4b 31
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George CORKE
UPDATE - No it couldn't!
birth Dec qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p30 CORK George T A mmn DANKS
From GRO Index (which gives middle names)
CORK, GEORGE TIMOTHY ARTHUR, mmn DANKS. GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in YARMOUTH Volume 04B Page 30
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Added: Eugenie's middle name from GRO Index
CORKE, EUGENIE RIGA, mmn DANKS
GRO Reference: 1915 S Quarter in YARMOUTH Volume 04B Page 31
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From George Corke's WW1 Army Service Record:
Wife: Madeline Helen Danks
Children:
George Timothy Arthur Corke
Madeline Helen Corke
Eugenie Riga Corke
Kathleen Maviun Corke
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From George Corke's WW1 Army Service Record:
Wife: Madeline Helen Danks
Children:
George Timothy Arthur Corke
Madeline Helen Corke
Eugenie Riga Corke
Kathleen Maviun Corke
Is there a connection between this George CORKE and the family of Ada Harriet CORKE(SHEPHERD)? I have a horrible feeling it might be a red herring, or connected to Ada from earlier generations which would not lead to finding close cousins of Raymond.
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From George Corke's WW1 Army Service Record:
Wife: Madeline Helen Danks
Children:
George Timothy Arthur Corke
Madeline Helen Corke
Eugenie Riga Corke
Kathleen Maviun Corke
Is there a connection between this George CORKE and the family of Ada Harriet CORKE(SHEPHERD)? I have a horrible feeling it might be a red herring, or connected to Ada from earlier generations which would not lead to finding close cousins of Raymond.
This George Corke (who married Madeline Danks in 1912) is the brother of Ada/Edith/Edie Corke/Shepherd. He was born 1886 and is on the census records found earlier with Ada and their parents and siblings (post #7 on this thread). As I mentioned earlier, I have found his baptism record with a d.o.b of 14 Jan 1886 son of Charles & Eleanor Corke, his d.o.b in 1939 when married and living with Madeline is also 14 Jan 1886. By coincidence his birthday is the same as sister Ada, but different year.
If I am still not making sense please tell me ;D
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If I am still not making sense please tell me ;D
I think I'm suffering from information overload (my brain hurts!)
My apologies
Philip
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No apologies needed Philip, my brain is about to blow too. I think it's bed time for me (work in the morning). We'll leave it to crisane to cover the next shift, and check in tomorrow ;D
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George CORKE corrected to include information from Jool and updated
birth Mar qtr 1886 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE George mmn ENGLAND
living with parents on 1911 census, single
probable death Mar qtr 1954 Yarmouth vol 4b p554 CORKE George age 68
marriage June qtr 1912 Great Yarmouth vol 4b p42 CORK George & DANKS Madeline H
1) birth Dec qtr 1912 Yarmouth vol 4b p30 CORK George T A mmn DANKS (George Timothy Arthur)
2) birth Dec qtr 1913 Yarmouth vol 4b p40 CORKE Madeline H mmn DANKS (Madeline Helen)
3) birth Sep qtr 1915 Yarmouth vol 4b p31 CORKE Eugenie R (Eugenie Riga)
4) Birth Dec qtr 1918 Yarmouth vol 4b p24 CORKE Kathleen M mmn DANKS (Kathleen Maviun)
5) Birth Mar qtr 1921 Yarmouth vol 4b p41 CORKE Bertie C R mmn DANKS
1) marriage Dec qtr 1934 Yarmouth vol 4b p84 CORKE George T A & SAUNDERS Violet A
birth Mar qtr 1935 Yarmouth vol 4b p18 CORISH(?) mmn SAUNDERS
marriage Mar qtr 1955 Yarmouth vol 4b p1234 EDWARDS to CORK
birth Mar qtr 1963 Yarmouth vol 4b p986 EDWARDS mmn CORK
birth Mar qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p40 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
marriage Dec qtr 1960 Yarmouth vol 4b p1041 CORKE to TOVELL
birth Sep qtr 1944 Yarmouth vol 4b p1 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
marriage Dec qtr 1963 Yarmouth vol 4b p1087 FELLAS to CORKE
birth Jun qtr 1964 Yarmouth vol 4b p990 FELLAS mmn CORKE
birth Sep qtr 1947 Yarmouth vol 4b p880 CORKE mmn SAUNDERS
marriage Sep qtr 1976 Gt Yarmouth vol 10 p1790 WHALL to CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1977 gt Yarmouth vol 10 p1357 WHALL mmn CORKE
2) marriage Sep qtr 1932 Yarmouth vol 4b p62 CORKE Madeline H & DAVY Donald E
birth Sep qtr 1933 Yarmouth vol 4b p29 DAVY mmn CORKE
birth Mar qtr 1940 Yarmouth vol 4b p7 DAVY mmn CORKE
3) marriage Jun qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p80 CORKE Eugenie R & SAUNDERS Osbourne C
birth Dec qtr 1936 Yarmouth vol 4b p25 SAUNDERS mmn CORKE
marriage Sep qtr 1965 Yarmouth vol 4b p1779 SAUNDERS to LOFTHOUSE
birth Mar qtr 1966 Yarmouth vol 4b p1020 SAUNDERS mmn LOFTHOUSE
birth Jun qtr 1975 Gt Yarmouth vol 10 p1636 SAUNDERS mmn LOFTHOUSE
5) marriage Mar qtr 1941 Yarmouth vol 4b p24 CORKE Bertie C R & BALAAM Pansy
birth Sep qtr 1947 Yarmouth vol 4b p917 CORKE mmn BALAAM
marriage Mar qtr 1972 Yarmouth vol 4b p1435 BURMAN to CORKE
birth Jun qtr 1973 Yarmouth vol 10 p2245 BURMAN mmn CORKE
birth Jun qtr 1982 Gt Yarmouth vol 10 p1487 BURMAN mmn CORKE
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No apologies needed Philip, my brain is about to blow too. I think it's bed time for me (work in the morning). We'll leave it to crisane to cover the next shift, and check in tomorrow ;D
Hellllllp. :'(
I am looking in to the threads in between painting lounge/dining and yes my head is spinning too. ???
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I've found a couple of ancestry users who have some details of the CORKE family which tie up with what's been researched and reported on here (thanks everyone :) )
The marriage between Ada's brother George CORKE (b. 1886) and Madeline DANKS can be confirmed and one of their daughters, Eugenie has a son still living. No other details for Ada though I'm afraid. This is under 'Lofthouse Family Tree' on the ancestry website
From another users tree, Ada's brother Henry Edward CORKE (b. 23-01-1882) married an Eveline DRUSE in 1921 and their 2 daughters have had 6 children between them and many grandchildren. Again, there's no new information on Ada. This tree is called 'Bamber' if anyone wants to take a look.
These 2 CORKE brothers would have been Ada's closest siblings in age
Ever hopeful, I have messaged both users in case they have additional information about Ada not included on the trees so will report back if anything turns up!
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Philip, you have been busy again haven't you! Great job detailing all the descendants of George Corke, especially as your brain was hurting ;D
Hopefully fulliautomatix will get a positive response from the Ancestry Trees, I'm going to have a look at them now.
Crisane, I hope you managed to get your painting finished ;D
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fulliautomatix I hope you'll get a response!
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fulliautomatix I hope you'll get a response!
Should Rootschatters pause on this search for the moment? There are several births/marriages in the 1970s listed below (mostly descendants of George CORKE) offering leads.
Could you let us know on your original thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=794284.0
what further research is needed?
All the best
Philip
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What could this say? And is it helpfull?
http://www.frommy.co.uk/Reunion/wc01/wc01_447.htm
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What could this say? And is it helpfull?
http://www.frommy.co.uk/Reunion/wc01/wc01_447.htm
So, Henry Edward Corke mentioned on this link is, I believe, Raymond Shepherds uncle (Henry's sister Edith Ada Corke was Raymonds father).
Back in June, I attempted to contact an ancestry member whose husband is descended from the Averil Evelyn Corke mentioned as a daughter on the link. Unfortunately she didn't reply and she hasn't been on the ancestry site for 7 months so obviously hasn't seen my message. I have found her on Facebook though, so I will see if I get a reply that way. I will report back if I get any response!