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Title: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 09 June 18 01:15 BST (UK)
Greetings from Australia.

I am looking for information about BESSIE WAINWRIGHT (DOB unknown) who was reported to be in a  "workhouse type establishment" in Toxteth in August 1919 when her three-year-old son JAMES WAINWRIGHT was adopted out. James was born on 26.7.1916 in Toxteth to Bessie and father unknown.

Any information regarding Bessie - date/place of birth etc would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Diana



Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 09 June 18 07:39 BST (UK)
We are not allowed to post 1911 census details - but I can tell you there is only one Bessie Wainwright in Liverpool on it - noted down as Bessie - so - I have found her on IGI
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&localeSubcountryName=Lancashire&query=%2Bgivenname%3Abessie~%20%2Bsurname%3Awainwright~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aliverpool~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1886-1888~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22England%2CLancashire%22

Look for the Bessie Wainwright born 1887 West Derby ( a district of Liverpool )
this Bessie -
Father John Wainwright / mother Margaret Wainwright
Bessie was born Great Crosby , Liverpool
of course we have no way of knowing if YOUR Bessie was born Liverpool - but this is the only one who was in 1911 census
definitely one to make a note of  :)
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 09 June 18 08:02 BST (UK)
A shorter link, to take you directly to that 1911 record:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT3-RF6
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 09 June 18 10:53 BST (UK)
Thank so much. I had this one noted as a possibility but am wondering if the Toxteth Work House records are available as they may provide more information about this specific Bessie?

Would be grateful for any steers in how to access these!

Regards

Diana
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 09 June 18 11:28 BST (UK)
Very few records for the workhouse survive 
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ToxtethPark/  (See Records at bottom of page)

It is possible that she was not a resident of the workhouse but just in the 'hospital' giving birth
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Blue70 on Sunday 10 June 18 19:39 BST (UK)
Greetings from Australia.

I am looking for information about BESSIE WAINWRIGHT (DOB unknown) who was reported to be in a  "workhouse type establishment" in Toxteth in August 1919 when her three-year-old son JAMES WAINWRIGHT was adopted out. James was born on 26.7.1916 in Toxteth to Bessie and father unknown.

Any information regarding Bessie - date/place of birth etc would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Diana

Do you have a copy of James Wainwright's birth certificate? There is a possible birth index where the mother's surname is Wainwright in Toxteth Park in July/August/September 1916. The birth certificate should give the place of birth and an address for the mother that might be different to the place of birth. It's possible that the mother just went somewhere to have the baby then returned to her old address. What information do you have about the arrangements for the child? This was before "The Adoption of Children Act, 1926" made adoption in England and Wales a legal process.

Name: James Wainwright       
Mother: Wainwright
District: Toxteth Park
Quarter: Jul/Aug/Sep
Year: 1916 
Volume: 8b 
Page 366 

GRO [cheaper PDFs currently available for £6]:-

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp


Blue
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Monday 11 June 18 00:04 BST (UK)
Thanks Blue, I have ordered that Wainwright birth PDF!

Regards

Diana
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 30 June 18 04:02 BST (UK)
Updater: the hunches paid off. The birth certificate for baby James links to the Bessie Wainwright in the 1911 Census, daughter of John and Margaret. She gives their address as her place of work address as her father's place. 

But her residence and where the baby was born is 34 Newstead Road, Toxteth Park.

She would have been 29 years old and was unmarried.

Thanks for the steer.

Regards

Diana
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Blue70 on Saturday 30 June 18 09:47 BST (UK)
It looks like alternative arrangements were made she didn't have to go into the workhouse/hospital. She may have had support from the father of the child or her parents.

Unfortunately no electoral registers were published in 1916 and 1917. The register for 1914-15 has George Mills at 34 Newstead Road but looking at the address in other years there were no long term occupants around that time. Gore's 1911 has Thomas Collins, master mariner, 1911 census has a Heayberd family, 1920 electoral register has Simon with other surnames Hughes and Overend so a high turn over of occupants. Bessie may not have been there long. 


Blue
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Blue70 on Saturday 30 June 18 15:10 BST (UK)
Electoral Register 1918 has the following for 34 Newstead Road:-

Harry Frost
Jessie Frost
Frederick James Hughes (also there in 1920)


Blue
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 30 June 18 15:46 BST (UK)
Thank you Blue - another piece of the jigsaw puzzle to possibly place?

I've also ordered a marriage certificate for a Bessie Wainwright who married a Michael McSherry in West Derby in 1918. If it's our Bessie she would have been a bride at 31, and maybe that's the reason why she decided to put her young son James up for adoption?

Any other advice from you local experts appreciated.

Kind regards

Diana

Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Blue70 on Saturday 30 June 18 16:06 BST (UK)
That looks like an RC marriage was Bessie a catholic or was her child raised catholic?


Blue
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 30 June 18 16:10 BST (UK)
Very little is known about Bessie. So not sure about her religious persuasions!
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 30 June 18 16:29 BST (UK)
There appears to be a child of the McSherry marriage in 1919.  He is possibly on a passenger list to Quebec in 1945 - address 44 Hornby Boulevard, Litherland, Liverpool occ Religious order.  He appears on name index as Rev.

Probably the same person went to Quebec in 1929 - his address in England Co C and C church society, London EC4.

Might be worth looking for these two in 1939  ;)
Marriage Dec qtr 1937   
Chorley    Joseph S   
McSherry    Bessie   
Crosby reg dist    8b   1159
South Sefton Register Office or Registrar Attended
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Saturday 30 June 18 16:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie, I've been down that rabbit hole today ;)

Hopefully the marriage cert of Bessie Wainwright to Michael McSherry will shed a few answers.

But I am wondering if the son of a "boot maker" could end up being an CoE vicar? There are a few other Bessie Wainwright's floating around in the general location...............

Intriguing!

I'll keep you posted.
Many thanks

Diana
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Sunday 22 July 18 06:02 BST (UK)
Thanks again Rosie99 - Marriage certificate in, and BINGO, our Bessie married Michael McSherry on 2nd June 1918 at St John's Waterloo. She stated that she was a spinster aged 31.

In August 1919 James Wainwright, her son from a previous relationship, was relinquished for adoption.

In Oct/Nov/Dec 1919 Bessie and Michael McSherry's son Harold was born.

Any suggestions where else to look to find out more about this sad situation, or was it that the newly weds wanted to start a new life, and new family without the encumbrance of a previous child?


Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Blue70 on Sunday 22 July 18 07:36 BST (UK)
"August 1919 James Wainwright, her son from a previous relationship, was relinquished for adoption."

What evidence do you have for this event and the date? This was before adoption became a legal process is there some other sort of document that is the source of this reference or was this event remembered in the family?


Blue
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Sunday 22 July 18 07:47 BST (UK)
Good Q, Blue, it is oral history.

"Adopted officially, from a workhouse type establishment, aged 3, by Mr and Mrs Cope" Note: I have their full details

So the date could be a bit fluid too, but James was born in July 1916, so August 1919 makes him three years old.


Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: Stoodly on Friday 10 August 18 13:33 BST (UK)
There appears to be a child of the McSherry marriage in 1919.  He is possibly on a passenger list to Quebec in 1945 - address 44 Hornby Boulevard, Litherland, Liverpool occ Religious order.  He appears on name index as Rev.

Probably the same person went to Quebec in 1929 - his address in England Co C and C church society, London EC4.

Might be worth looking for these two in 1939  ;)
Marriage Dec qtr 1937   
Chorley    Joseph S   
McSherry    Bessie   
Crosby reg dist    8b   1159
South Sefton Register Office or Registrar Attended

Rosie99 you were on the money!! Thru ordering certificates we can confirm that this is our Bessie :)  Thank you. We'll probably never know why she relinquished baby James for adoption, but we do know how Bessie's life panned out: marriage #1 to Michael McSherry on 2nd June 1918 at St John’s Parish Church in Waterloo (can't find his death, but he was a seaman and travelling to the US in 1919) and then her subsequent marriage to Joseph Chorley on 13th November 1937, aged 50. She died in 1951 and her grave is in the grounds of SS Peter and Paul RC Church, Crosby.
Title: Re: Toxteth Work House WAINWRIGHT 1919
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 10 August 18 14:30 BST (UK)
I am pleased that it all fitted together in the end  ;D

Thank you for the update