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Title: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Thursday 14 June 18 16:17 BST (UK)
Hi, I'm looking for information about my g g uncle. His name was Charles Obst and he was from Saxony, Prussia originally. I know he lived in Liverpool and was a tailor. The earliest I can find anything about him is about 1859. I'm wondering how to find how he came to be in Liverpool and when he arrived (and why?) As far as I can tell he was the only Obst here until he had his children.
Any help would be great
Thanks

Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:01 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat :)

Just to get a better sense of the dates - presumably he's the one born c1825 in Prussia, appearing in Liverpool censuses from at least 1871?  (I haven't yet found the 1861 - do you have that?).

You mention a record dating from 1859 but you don't say what that was - is it the birth of son Robert (12 b Liverpool per 1871)?

1871 ref: RG10/3775/30/1 (Charles Obst is "married"; wife not with him and their children - but per 1881 she is Anne).
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:08 BST (UK)
Birth registrations:

Wilhelmina Obst, mmn Gilmore, Dec qtr 1861 Liverpool
Hannah Maria Obst, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1863 Liverpool
Anne Obst, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1865 Liverpool
Louisa Obst, mmn Gilmore, Mar qtr 1867 Liverpool
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:12 BST (UK)
It looks as though Robert was born to his mother's previous marriage:

Birth registration: Robert Ruxton, mmn Gilmore, Jun qtr 1859 Liverpool

Ann Gilmore had married Robert Ruxton 17 Apr 1853, St Nicholas Liverpool.

His death: Robert Ruxton aged 33, Jun qtr 1859 Liverpool.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Thursday 14 June 18 17:14 BST (UK)
Hello,

1861 2673/74/4

Charles Olst 35 yrs unmarried Tailor b Wurtemburg
Lodging with Ann Ruxton and child Robert.

Heywood
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Thursday 14 June 18 17:22 BST (UK)
Hi and thank you,
That is the correct Charles Obst and 1859 is the year of his son's birth ( although as you say it appears to be from his wife's previous marriage). Charles was living in a boarding house in seel street, Liverpool of which Ann ruxton was landlady. I know her first husband had died around the time Robert was born and she and Charles eventually got married. The questions arise as to whether Ann was mother to Charles kids or stepmother..and if it was the latter, who and where was the mother as the kids must have been born in liverpool
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:26 BST (UK)
She was their mother - as the mother's maiden name of Gilmore shows on their birth registrations (reply #2).

There is also a Catholic baptism for daughter Anne b 1865 (as Anna Obst, in Latin) showing her parents as Charles (Caroli) Obst and Anne (Anna) formerly Gilmore. (St Peter Priory, Liverpool, 23 July 1865).

Robert Ruxton had also received a Catholic baptism in 1859.

I've now also found a Catholic baptism for Hannah Maria (as "Maria Joanna") in 1863 - parents Caroli "Osten" and Anne formerly "Gilmour".
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:28 BST (UK)
I know her first husband had died around the time Robert was born and she and Charles eventually got married.

I'm not seeing the marriage of Charles and Ann(e) - do you have details?
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Thursday 14 June 18 17:37 BST (UK)
Robert’s birth shows as 7th March and Robert snr died June quarter -both 1859 so it seems likely that he is of that marriage.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Thursday 14 June 18 17:43 BST (UK)
I don't have the info for their marriage with me but if I remember correctly it was late 1860's / early 1870's. I have seen a copy of the marriage cert so can confirm its correct.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 17:53 BST (UK)
Robert’s birth shows as 7th March and Robert snr died June quarter -both 1859 so it seems likely that he is of that marriage.

Yes, Robert Ruxton b 7 March 1859 was baptised 25 April 1859, son of Robert and Anna (nee Gilmore).

Robert Ruxton snr (a baker) died at the Northern Hospital, Liverpool on Tuesday 7 June 1859, having injured his hand on 20 May in machinery at his workplace: Mr Harrison's ship-bread bakery, Mersey St.  An inquest reached the verdict of accidental death. (Liverpool Mercury, 9 June 1859).
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: avm228 on Thursday 14 June 18 18:11 BST (UK)
I don't have the info for their marriage with me but if I remember correctly it was late 1860's / early 1870's. I have seen a copy of the marriage cert so can confirm its correct.

Did it tell you the name and occupation of Charles' father?
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Thursday 14 June 18 18:19 BST (UK)
I didn't know about Robert sent being a baker or what happened to him, just that he had died at a young age. It's this sort of detail about ancestors that brings them to life so thank you.
The cert for Charles and Anne's marriage didn't have info about Charles father I'm afraid..
I'm still wondering about Charles getting to Liverpool though. I've tried checking ships records with no luck and I believe he would have had to register with the local JP as an alien upon his arrival but again I'm not having any luck. Seems an unusual decision to move from Prussia all the way to Liverpool without a specific reason
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Brie on Thursday 14 June 18 18:32 BST (UK)
Hello,

He may well have been a sugar baker. There were a good number of Prussians who came over to the UK in the 19th century to work as sugar bakers. I have a relative who came to London from Hanover about that time.

Sugarbakers, a rootschat member has set up a very informative site about it http://www.mawer.clara.net/intro.html

Brie
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Thursday 14 June 18 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi Brie, thanks for the link it was very interesting. Charles was a tailor in Liverpool but I don't know who he worked for. Would maybe make sense if he had moved for work but again I think it's a long way to come without a specific job or reason to make the trip
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Annette7 on Friday 15 June 18 00:55 BST (UK)
I don't have the info for their marriage with me but if I remember correctly it was late 1860's / early 1870's. I have seen a copy of the marriage cert so can confirm its correct.

Very strange this - there is no marriage listed for them in the marriage index under either of their names.

Annette
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: chempat on Friday 15 June 18 06:54 BST (UK)
The information below is from a tree on Ancestry - have you seen it?

Friedrich Charles Obst married Anne (Ruxton) Gilmore
step son Robert Ruxton Obst
Birth   1825 Sachsen Germany

But I am still not seeing a marriage.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Friday 15 June 18 07:25 BST (UK)
 Alien Arrivals, England lists:

Tobin Obst, a Taylor, arriving 10th June 1854 from Prussia

He may be related or a change of name  :-\
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Friday 15 June 18 09:22 BST (UK)
Here are the only details I can see re Tobin

Tobin Obst, Taylor, from Prussia
Ship- Dammonia
Arrived 10th June 1854
Port of Arrival -Hull from Hamburg

Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Flyingswan on Friday 15 June 18 23:22 BST (UK)
That's great, gives me something to look into.
Many thanks to everyone for the information and help
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Zeboboy2 on Sunday 28 October 18 15:03 GMT (UK)
Charles Obs t born 1825 in Prussia is a member of my family. Would you like more information?
Title: Charles Obst
Post by: Zeboboy2 on Sunday 28 October 18 15:08 GMT (UK)
I am researching the above who is a very close family member. Is anybody else connected?
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Zeboboy2 on Sunday 28 October 18 15:12 GMT (UK)
I am also researching Charles Obst( Carl Freiderich Obst) who is a very close family member.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 18:38 GMT (UK)
Some more info would help.  Where and when was he born?  Nothing in English births.

Where and when did he die?

Suspect we are looking at USA but as you have not posted on a specific board it’s difficult to determine
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Zeboboy2 on Sunday 28 October 18 19:18 GMT (UK)
Hi sorry lived in Liverpool and married? Anne Gilmore. I have all the info from his arrival in Liverpool but was hoping to trace his past either in Prussia or even where he landed in England and any info on siblings parents. Thanks
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 20:24 GMT (UK)
What timescale are we looking at?
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 20:27 GMT (UK)
Is he the 1885 death in Liverpool aged 60?
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 20:37 GMT (UK)
No marriage in England.   1881/1891 shows Ann was born in Ireland.  Children born in Liverpool from around 1859.  Charles & children are boarders in 1871 but no Ann

Do you have any details of their marriage
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 20:59 GMT (UK)
Per FS  he died 26.3.1885 and is buried in Anfield Cemetary.  Unless his fathers name is on his marriage cert - it could be difficult to establish his parentage
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Sunday 28 October 18 21:06 GMT (UK)
A bit more information here - or similar info anyway  :)

topics now merged
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 28 October 18 22:30 GMT (UK)
So somebody else is researching the same family.

Will ask moderator to merge posts and then Zeboboy2 can contact Flying Swan and exchange info
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: heywood on Sunday 28 October 18 22:45 GMT (UK)
Zeboboy2 has already posted so hopefully FS will reply, Carole.
I think the search here is prior to Liverpool.

It does it look as though Charles and Ann married. 1861 and 1871 Ann uses her married/widowed name of Ruxton.
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: sarah on Monday 29 October 18 09:31 GMT (UK)
I have just merged the topics so the members can get in touch with one another.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Charles Obst
Post by: Zeboboy2 on Saturday 03 November 18 12:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks for all help and am in touch with other member. Am afraid although this is all correct it is previous history that I am struggling with but all help is much appreciated.