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Title: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: mamu on Sunday 24 June 18 08:40 BST (UK)
I am hoping to find some information on a Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand 1889, her Father is Edward Anthony Logan.
She died in 1927 In West Melbourne ,Victoria Australia.
Would be most grateful if anyone can shed some light on this woman who may or may not be part of my family.
Is my Great Grandfather Edward Anthony Logan born 1838 and dying in 1904 in England, her father or is it another man by the same name.
He was a chief engineer working for P&O on the mail runs from the UK.
Kaye M
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Sunday 24 June 18 08:59 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Victoria, Australia's BDM online index gives Mary's surname at death as STEWART, with father as Edward LOGAN, and the informant did not know her Mum's given name.  (#15620)   May I ask if you have her marriage certificate, and if so, what information is recorded on that registration about herself (age, place of birth) and her parents (full names, occupation, etc) as I feel that info, given first hand, will help advance your research.

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

I will ask the volunteer Global Moderator team to move this thread to the Australia Board (from Beginners Board) as I think there's plenty of regulars there who have excellent understanding of family history research in Victoria.

JM

Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Sunday 24 June 18 09:14 BST (UK)
Her marriage is 1909, registered in Victoria, to Geo STEWART, #3572



JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: Mckha489 on Sunday 24 June 18 09:19 BST (UK)
there is no birth that matches that on the New Zealand indexes

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz

there is an Evelyn Annie b 1889. parents Edward and Annie
Annie died https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18890831.2.17?end_date=31-08-1889&items_per_page=10&phrase=0&query=logan&sort_by=byDA.rev&start_date=01-01-1889&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2CNCGAZ%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA

there may have been an older sister born 1887 who died in 1888

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18880316.2.2.4?end_date=31-08-1900&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=edward+logan&sort_by=byDA.rev&start_date=01-01-1887&title=AMBPA%2CAG%2CEG%2CGLOBE%2CLT%2CNCGAZ%2COO%2CCHP%2CSCANT%2CTS%2CSUNCH%2CTEML%2CTHD%2CWDA
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: wivenhoe on Sunday 24 June 18 09:49 BST (UK)
BDM VIC birth
1910 / 5123     STEWART Mary Ann parents Geo / Mary Evelina Annie V (Logan)
1911 / 13422   STEWART Eileen Stella parents Geo / Mary Evelina Annie (Logan)
1912 / 13817   STEWART Geo Thos parents Geo / Mary Eveline Annie (Logan)
1914 / 14965   STEWART Jas Robt parents Geo Thos / Mary Evelina Veronica (Logan)

BDM VIC deaths
1913 / 10277 STEWART Mary Ann parents Stewart Geo / Mary (Logan)
1914 / 6799 STEWART Jas Robt parents Stewart Geo Thos / Mary Evelina P (Logan)

The Age 25 Jul 1913 p11
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197487122?
….accidental poisoning was the verdict of the City Coroner yesterday concerning the
death of Mary Ann STEWART, aged 3 1/2 years. The child was left in charge of her grandmother, Mary HOGAN, in Eagle-alley, off Latrobe-street...…...   
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Sunday 24 June 18 09:58 BST (UK)
newspaper cutting has some family history info, including Mary Eveline STEWART's mum's given name.  I suspect there's a mis-heard surname involved here (HOGAN v LOGAN)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3886778 22 Oct 1927 The Argus (two notices, here's one  :) )


STEWART (nee Hogan).—On the 21st October, at 575 Little Lonsdale street west, Mary Eveline
(Topsy) Stewart, the dearly loved daughter of Jim and Mary Hogan, aged 38 years. R.I.P.


JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: wivenhoe on Sunday 24 June 18 10:20 BST (UK)
Search Trove.....Hogan....Eagle-Alley.....

returns James HOGAN   (husband of Mary)…..several occasions

Death, 1927, for Mary Eveline STEWART has age 38.

Might be mother of George STEWART?
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: mamu on Monday 25 June 18 23:42 BST (UK)
Thank you,surname is  LOGAN and father is Edward Anthony.

None of the names in the items posted match any names I have verified.
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 00:21 BST (UK)
Can you please type up the info from her 1909 marriage document as it has first hand info she provided. 

Also which document gives you her NZ birth?

JM

Her marriage is 1909, registered in Victoria, to Geo STEWART, #3572
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 00:52 BST (UK)
Thank you,surname is  LOGAN and father is Edward Anthony.

None of the names in the items posted match any names I have verified.

As already mentioned, the death entry.
The Victorian Death Index in its CD form which I have viewed, shows the following.

STEWART, Mary Eveline.
Father Edwd LOGAN
Mother Unk Unk
 Melb W
Age 38
1927/15620

There is not a second name given for the father.
 
This Mary Eveline STEWART is interred at Fawkner Memorial Park. It was a catholic interment and she is located with Mary and James HOGAN who are of an age to be her parents.

I would be starting to think about informant errors in this case.

Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 01:12 BST (UK)
Mary HOGAN's death details.

HOGAN, Mary
Father NOLAN
Mother unk Unk
At Melb W.
Age 72
1936/6147

Those of James HOGAN

HOGAN, James
Father Jas Michael HOGAN
Mother Dorothy UNK
At Chetnm
Age 67
1936/9062

Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 01:26 BST (UK)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204911721 15 July 1936  The Age
.... residence for Mr James HOGAN ... 135 Rosslyn St West Melbourne (from funeral details for his beloved wife)


ADD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204911727 confirms Mrs STEWART as her deceased daughter. Also gives Alan James (HOGAN) as Mary Eveline's brother.  Sadly, he too was deceased.

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 01:43 BST (UK)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205908746



HOGAN.— On the 12th October, James Hogan, late of 135 Rosslyn Street, West Melbourne, the dearly loved husband of the late Mary Hogan, loving grandfather of George and Eileen Stewart, aged 67 years. R.I.P.

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: Dundee on Tuesday 26 June 18 02:50 BST (UK)
Allan James Frank HOGAN was KIA in WW1.  Mary's death says she was born in India, James in Victoria.  I have no idea who these people are   ;D

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/155097840

http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/4760718/1

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 03:39 BST (UK)
A possible birth for James HOGAN (Father of Mary Eveline)

HOGAN Michael James
Father  James
Mother Dora HANIGAN
Reg.1868/18027
At Melb

Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 04:08 BST (UK)
AIF on enlistment,  Frank HOGAN as born Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria, and aged 21 years 3 months as at 26 Feb 1916 when signing papers at Bendigo.  So looking for a birth in 1894.  So, Mary Eveline would be his older sister,  :) so perhaps a question could be ... when were her parents in NZ .... 

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 04:24 BST (UK)
AIF on enlistment,  Frank HOGAN as born Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria, and aged 21 years 3 months as at 26 Feb 1916 when signing papers at Bendigo.  So looking for a birth in 1894.  So, Mary Eveline would be his older sister,  :) so perhaps a question could be ... when were her parents in NZ .... 

JM

A Bendigo newspaper notes Frank's recruitment.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/220908679
28th Feb 1916

Reading the file of Frank HOGAN, there seems to be considerable doubt on the part of James HOGAN and the Department as to whether the deceased soldier is or is not their son.

Soldier's father's (NOK) address is all wrong and there is no sign that Mary and James HOGAN were ever in Bendigo. Father James HOGAN states by letter has lived in Lonsdale street for many years.


Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 04:38 BST (UK)
AIF on enlistment,  Frank HOGAN as born Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria, and aged 21 years 3 months as at 26 Feb 1916 when signing papers at Bendigo.  So looking for a birth in 1894.  So, Mary Eveline would be his older sister,  :) so perhaps a question could be ... when were her parents in NZ .... 

JM

A Bendigo newspaper notes Frank's recruitment.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/220908679
28th Feb 1916

Reading the file of Frank HOGAN, there seems to be considerable doubt on the part of James HOGAN and the Department as to whether the deceased soldier is or is not their son.

Soldier's father's (NOK) address is all wrong and there is no sign that Mary and James HOGAN were ever in Bendigo. Father James HOGAN states by letter has lived in Lonsdale street for many years.


Sue

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/242417911  28 Jan 1916
DIFFERENT : height, eyes, age,  ... Dad knew ! 

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 04:53 BST (UK)
Very excellent find JM.
 ;D
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 05:35 BST (UK)
 :) yes, lads grow tall quickly, but not shrink in a month ... 
 :D

but how to sort if there is connection to Edward Anthony LOGAN ...  I think the 1909 marriage cert should be obtained ...  and aside from that, how to sort the file at NAA ...

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 05:38 BST (UK)
Fingers crossed our OP has been following these recent posts, as they have just logged out.   ???

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: mamu on Tuesday 26 June 18 07:28 BST (UK)
Thank you everyone,just does not seem to fit with my family at all.
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: Mckha489 on Tuesday 26 June 18 07:31 BST (UK)
Why did you think she was born in NZ?
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:03 BST (UK)
Well, I'm engaging in a bit of guesswork here.

Born 1838, Edward Anthony LOGAN (of full age) married Hannah HILL ( of full age)in 1859 n England.
He was an engineer on the record.

It is unlikely that a woman marrying in 1859 will be producing children in 1889, so Mary Eveline was not her child.

Are you thinking there was another relationship in New Zealand for Edward Anthony LOGAN?
Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: Mckha489 on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:05 BST (UK)
the Edward Logan I found with daughter Evelyn Annie b 1899 and wife Annie appears to have been a carter in Christchurch for at least 5 years 1885 - 1890 
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:19 BST (UK)
The information on the 1909 marriage for Mary Eveline to Geo STEWART should be very useful. 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html

Marriages 
 Date and place of marriage;
 name and surnames;
 conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
 stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
 children by each former marriage;
birthplace;
 occupation;
age;
 residence (present and usual);
parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of    father;
 signatures of the parties and witnesses;
 signature of Minister. Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of  the parties is also shown.

The image is actually readily available to download as a pdf via plastic card payment...

Can you please type up the info from her 1909 marriage document as it has first hand info she provided. 

Also which document gives you her NZ birth?

JM

Her marriage is 1909, registered in Victoria, to Geo STEWART, #3572

oops  :)  ADD https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

JM  :)
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 26 June 18 09:01 BST (UK)
the Edward Logan I found with daughter Evelyn Annie b 1899 and wife Annie appears to have been a carter in Christchurch for at least 5 years 1885 - 1890

And the one who I have "guessed at" died in 1904 as stated by OP, and Hannah, his widow was left administration of his estate according to the Probate Calendar , UK.

Sue
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 26 June 18 10:57 BST (UK)
Also if E.A.Logan was born in 1838 and died in 1904 that would make him 66 years.

However the GRO has this:

LOGAN, EDWARD       77 years
GRO Reference: 1904  J Quarter in EPPING  Volume 04A  Page 195
This man born in 1827?

So the age is out by 10 years by the OP?


Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 26 June 18 11:55 BST (UK)
Related post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787371.msg6427533#msg6427533
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: majm on Wednesday 27 June 18 03:30 BST (UK)
According to a submitted tree at Ancestry,  Mary Eveline’s half brother, in 1926, died at age 66, at the Alfred Hospital, Melbourne, Australia.  It has him as ALfred Edward LOGAN, born 11 April 1860, Southampton, Hampshire, England, with parents as Edward Anthony LOGAN 1838-1904 and Hannah HILL 1833-1907.   That tree has Mary as born 1889, New Zealand, and died 1927, West Melbourne Victoria, Australia but NO sources. 

AND … Vic BDM ONLINE index has Alfred Edward LOGAN’s  1926  death indexed #2938 with parents as Edward LOGAN and Hannah HILL.

JM
Title: Re: Mary Eveline Logan born New Zealand
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 27 June 18 04:22 BST (UK)
Well, Consistently through the England censuses, Hannah LOGAN (nee HILL) gives an age consistent with a birth year of 1833.

So, as mentioned, she was not the mother of Mary.

No child of the name Mary Eveline  ever appears with the LOGAN family on the census material.

Sue