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Title: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Sunday 24 June 18 19:10 BST (UK)
The death record attached tells that the informant of Jeremiah Quinlan's death in 1869 Tasmania was the undertaker Thomas J. Doolan. The Quinlan family look to have lived in Campbell Town, Jeremiah being the son of William Quinlan and Margaret McDonald.
I am trying to locate the grave of Jeremiah Quinlan in the hope that it will be a family plot with records detailing other family members buried there.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 25 June 18 01:28 BST (UK)
The death was registered in Launceston where also Doolan was an undertaker, so he is likely to have been buried there.

M
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Monday 25 June 18 01:55 BST (UK)
Thanks, Matthew. Will follow up on this.

Cheers.

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: judb on Monday 25 June 18 05:27 BST (UK)
This is no help with your original enquiry as there is no record of the burial, but may be useful, although it looks as though you have already seen it.

From:
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au

Quinlan, Jeremiah, male, age 10, died: 28 Nov 1869, groom's son, cause of death: acute arthritis
Registered: Launceston, 1869
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1155314
Resource:
RGD35/1/38 no 1071

Same death registration available on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9CH-4WSH?i=32&cc=2125029

Judith




Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Monday 25 June 18 06:06 BST (UK)
Thanks for trying, Judith,

I have seen that record and finding a burial for any of the Quinlans is proving challenging, to say the least  .... I had been hoping that with an undertaker there was perhaps a record somewhere of his grave. And if there was, maybe some of his siblings and/or parents were with him.

His sister was my great-great grandmother, and seems to have been Catholic so I thought maybe there might be church records but so far, no joy there either.

Your efforts are much appreciated.

Rodney53.
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: clancam37 on Monday 25 June 18 07:15 BST (UK)
Having a problem getting through.
Have another birth 1862 a Dennis Quinlan (Brother?)
Parents: Cornelius occupation Groom and mother: Margaret McDonald
Launceston;
Trying to send attachments - will try again.
Regards
clancam37
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 25 June 18 07:58 BST (UK)
Where do you see them at Campbell Town?

Can you name the QUINLAN ancestor, your great grandmother....who, when and where did she marry....and die?

BDM TAS births
QUINLAND Mary Bridget parents QUINLAND William / McDONALD Margaret
6 May 1856 Launceston

QUINLAN Dennis  parents QUINLAN Cornelius / McDONALD Margaret   
24 May 1862 Launceston

QUINLAND Margaret parents QUINLAND William / McDONALD Margaret
28 Oct 1863 Launceston

Unnamed male parents QUINLAND William / McDONALD Margaret
26 Dec 1865

QUINLAND John James parents QUINLAND William Cornelius / McDONALD Margaret
28 Jan 1868 Launceston

BDM VIC death...……………………….  possibly your family?
1926 / 11580 MORGAN  Ellen  parents QUINLAN William / Margt (Odonnell)
died Preston age 70
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: judb on Monday 25 June 18 08:21 BST (UK)
Edit to add: I now see some of these already posted by wivenhoe, but as I've typed them I'll leave them up.

This looks to be the birth mentioned by clancam
   
Name:
Dennis Quinlan, Dennis
Parents: Quinlan, Cornelius
Mother: Mcdonald, Margaret
Date of birth:  24 May 1862
Registered:
Launceston,1862
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1012006
Resource:  RGD33/1/40 no 216
Again, the father has signed with a cross, and his occupation is given as 'groom'

It is not unusual for there to be mistakes in registration, especially when the informant is illiterate.  Speculation:  Perhaps the registrar asked "Name of father?" and perhaps Cornelius is the name of the father's father. 

And this death with the different father's name, but the age of the child fits the above birth.
Denis QUINLAN, died 16 June, 1862, aged 3 weeks, groom's child, cause of death: diarrhea. Informant was the father, Denis QUINLAN, who signed with a cross.
Registered, Launceston

https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=dennis&qu=quinlan

Birth of another child, with the registrar spelling the surname differently. Father is the informant , signs with a cross and occupation again 'groom'

Margaret QUINLAND
Parents: William QUINLAND, Margaret nee McDonald
Born: 28 Oct 1863
Registered:
Launceston, 1863
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1014495
Resource:
RGD33/1/41 no 422

And another - this looks like a second name for William.   Siilar registration details as above.
John James QUINLAND
Parents: William Cornelius, Margaret,nee McDonald
Born: 28 Jan 1868
Registered:
Launceston 1868
Record ID:
NAME_INDEXES:1017857
Resource:
RGD33/1/46 no 60

Another Quinland child b 1865, similar reg details. No given name recorded.  William's occ given as 'labourer'

And an earlier one, Mary Bridget QUINLAND, b 03 May 1856

Will leave you to search for some others, including a death for a William QUINLAN, d 24 Jul 1882, 66, Campelltown.  Killed by being violently thrown down steps.  There is an inqest report on the LINC site for his death

Judith
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 25 June 18 09:42 BST (UK)
Had a look through the baptism registers for St Joseph's Church, Launceston. Viewed to end of 1875
ref. TAHO NS1052 19-20; 21 Z2090, z2091

born 3 May 1856, Mary Bridget, parents William Quinlan, Margaret McDonnell, residence Launceston (sponsor Mary Vaughan)

25 July 1857, Honora? Hanora? (snip attached) (sp. Hanora Bryan)

8 September 1858, Cornelius (sp. Daniel McDonnell, Mary Russell)

16 February 1860, Jeremiah (sp. John Russell, Ellen Russell)

24 March 1862, Denis (sp. Thomas Sexton, Hannah Sexton)

28 October 1863, Margaret (Daniel McDonnell, Doreas? Grigg)

26 December 1865, William Cornelius, parents Wm. Cornelius Quinlan, Margt. McDonald (sp. Ellen O'Brien)

10 December 1867 James John (parents usual spelling) (sp. Denis McDonnell, Ellen Quinlan)


M




Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: johngirl on Monday 25 June 18 10:27 BST (UK)
 Rodney53, you could try contacting LINC Launceston as they have information on early Launceston burials.

     https://www.linc.tas.gov.au/locations/Pages/Launceston.aspx

 Johngirl
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 25 June 18 10:31 BST (UK)
This may be William Cornelius in 1890
https://stors.tas.gov.au/GD67-1-9$init=GD67-1-9p069
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 25 June 18 10:36 BST (UK)
BDM VIC death
1935 / 3170  QUINLAN William Cornelius parents UNKNOWN / Unknown (Unknown)
died Preston age 70

The Age 16 Apr 1935 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/204282440?
QUINLAN. — The Friend of the late Mr. WILLIAM QUINLAN are respectfully invited to follow his remains to the place of interment, in the Preston -General Cemetery. The funeral Is appointed to leave his nephew's residence, 284 Tyler-Street, Preston......   

Preston Cemetery
QUINLAN  William             Area G PR-G****5327  Interment 17/04/1935
QUINLAN Gordon William  Area G PR-G****5327  Interment 25/02/1947

BDM VIC death
1947 / 2116 QUINLAN Gordon William parents QUINLAN William / Helen (Morgan)
born Brunswick died Royal Park age 51
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 25 June 18 11:50 BST (UK)

Electoral Roll 1931    at 284 Tyler St Preston Melbourne VIC
QUINLAN    William
QUINLAN    Gordon William
MORGAN    Florence Elizabeth
MORGAN    James David
MORGAN    John Owen
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Monday 25 June 18 15:18 BST (UK)
My goodness! This is all very very gratefully received and confirms some of what I do know, and opens quite a few new lines of pursuit.
I WILL get to respond individually to you all asap.
The Quinlans are a very bewildering family to pursue and I will TRY to fill you all in with what I know of this jigsaw puzzle with lots of pieces missing.
To begin at the end of this thread with 284 Tyler Street Preston electoral roll:
1. John Owen Morgan and Florence Morgan were my Morgan grandparents.
2. John Owen Morgan was the grandson of Ellen Quinlan, sister of Jeremiah Quinlan whose name began this thread.
3. William Quinlan was Ellen Quinlan-Morgan's brother. They had another sister in Melbourne, Anne Nora Quinlan, later Johnston. While it is clear from the records that this William Quinlan is the son of William Senior and Margaret McDonald, Ellen and Anne Nora certainly look to be the Margaret and Mary Bridget Quinlans born to the same parents. They seem to have chosen new names when they came to Melbourne, for reasons best known to themselves. The violent death of their father suggests some unsavoury possibilities for aliases. Since there are clear and convincing reasons to believe the three were siblings, the name changes are perplexing to those of us who descend from them.
4. The Gordon William Quinlan also at 284 Tyler Street was always said to be William's son, and the birth and death records tend to confirm this, but for reasons best left alone for now the records for his birth and death confuse his birth mother totally. And raise more questions than answers. They are buried in the same grave at Preston cemetery. Many in our family doubt the accuracy of this father-son connection
5. In Tasmania, the records place most births in Launceston and the father dies in Campbell Town (where oral history suggests, rightly or wrongly, they lived for some time. Oral history on the subject of the Quinlans has proven fairly unreliable).
6. Ellen (Mary Bridget) Quinlan married Owen Orr Morgan, and their daughter Annie Morgan was my great grandmother (mother of John Owen Morgan mentioned above). Another complex story best left alone here for now.
7. Digger ... TAS BDM Pioneer index has been attached (I hope). I have relied on it largely to date.
Hope this helps .. it's a jgsaw with lots of gaps.
Again, my thanks to all who have had a go at helping with this thread.
Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Monday 25 June 18 18:25 BST (UK)

25 July 1857, Honora? Hanora? (snip attached) (sp. Hanora Bryan)


Could Anne Nora be Hanora?
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 02:13 BST (UK)
Thanks, Matthew.

The Honora one is another puzzle .. on the baptism list but not the Pioneer list. And many thanks for that baptism list. Do you happen to know if St. Joseph's was a catholic church? and still functioning? Ellen Quinlan Morgan was buried in the Catholic section of Coburg cemetery, and baptised some children/grandchildren in catholic churches, yet Ann Nora is buried in the Church of England section of Melbourne cemetery.

Ann Nora Quinlan Johnston's descendents believe her to have been born Margaret Quinlan and her death year minus age at death = birth year of Margaret Quinlan, so I'm not sure Honora is Ann Nora (though I see why you would consider it). The same little calculation gives Ellen Quinlan the birth name and year of Mary Bridget Quinlan.

To you, and all others who have enriched this thread, I want to tell you that the Melbourne Quinlans are intrigued, fascinated, and most of all extremely grateful for the light you are all shedding on our family's past in Tasmania.

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 02:23 BST (UK)
Hello and thanks "wivenhoe",

Thank you especially for the funeral notice of William C. Quinlan 1935, leaving from 284 Tyler Street Preston, home of his nephew (great-nephew to be exact) John Morgan, my grandfather. I have not seen that notice and the address is very illuminating to us, since we visited it so often in childhood and my mother grew up there.
We knew that the widowed Ellen Morgan (if indeed she and Owen were married) and Bill Quinlan (no mention anywhere of a wife yet a son named Gordon) shared houses for many many years until her death in 1926, then he looks to have lived out his days with my grandparents. Certainly he died in Preston, probably at 284 Tyler St... so that notice is very poignant for us.

Much appreciation for your help.

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Tuesday 26 June 18 03:19 BST (UK)
Yes, St Joseph's was a catholic church, replaced by Church of the Apostles in 1866, so the baptism registers 1845 to 1885 are from both churches.

M
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 03:27 BST (UK)
Thanks a million ... that clears up another unclear matter.

****It may well also explain the absence of a marriage record for Ellen Quinlan and Owen Orr Morgan, given she was catholic and he was from a family line of Church of Ireland clergy. :o (This thought has crossed my mind many many times)

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Tuesday 26 June 18 03:43 BST (UK)
There is a death of a Margaret Quinlan aged 47 in Launceston 1873 that was registered as Mary Quinland.

1873 'Family Notices', The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas. : 1835 - 1880), 14 March, p. 2. , viewed 26 Jun 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66024903

https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD35-1-42p7j2k

M

Adding - the 1872 Valuation Roll shows William Quinlan in Tamar st

Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 26 June 18 06:58 BST (UK)
Do you have death certificates for these people -

William Cornelius QUINLAN                        d. 1935
Anne Nora JOHNSTON nee QUINLAN           d. 1915
Ellen MORGAN nee QUINLAN                      d. 1926

They would ask for "years in the colony", and give some clue to when they left Tasmania.

 "...They seem to have chosen new names when they came to Melbourne, for reasons best known to themselves."  Do you know when they arrived in Victoria, and what names they used in Tasmania?

Rather than name changes, I suspect this is just use of names that are different to baptism / birth records, which given names they might never have used.  People were much more flexible with the use of names than we are now.

What certificates do you have for BDM events in the lives of these people, and their families -

William Cornelius QUINLAN                        d. 1935
Anne Nora JOHNSTON nee QUINLAN           d. 1915
Ellen MORGAN nee QUINLAN                      d. 1926

The Age 25 Feb 1947 p7
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205320231?
QUINLAN Gordon William.....cousin of Jack and Florence......
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: judb on Tuesday 26 June 18 07:14 BST (UK)
Interesting search!

That Launceston registrar was determined to add a 'd' to the surname!

Judith
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 07:46 BST (UK)
Hello again winenhoe,
Re: your questions:

Do you have death certificates for these people -

William Cornelius QUINLAN                        d. 1935
Anne Nora JOHNSTON nee QUINLAN           d. 1915
Ellen MORGAN nee QUINLAN                      d. 1926

***I have Ellen Morgan's death certificate. I now know that it contains some errors rather than clarifications. It was informed by my grandfather who either didn't know or chose to muddy the waters. I suspect he didn't know. He put, e.g., that she had lived all 70 years in Victoria.
     William C. Quinlan is the easiest and clearest for researching. His name is clear on Tasmanian records, as are his parents. He is in fact named after his father. And the death notice in newspapers (provided courtesy of you) makes it clear he died in my grandparents' house at 284 Tyler St. Preston, with that suburb named on the bdm site as place of death. Little ambiguity about his name.
     I do not have (but a distant cousin may will have) Annie Johnston's death cert. but what we do have is a collection of newspaper accounts of her stabbing murder at the home of her sister Ellen and brother William, at the hands of the estranged husband (John McNamara) of Ellen Morgan's daughter Lettie. Annie Johnston's family believe her to have been born Margaret Quinlan in Tasmania.

 "...They seem to have chosen new names when they came to Melbourne, for reasons best known to themselves."  Do you know when they arrived in Victoria, and what names they used in Tasmania?

I do know that Ellen Morgan was in Adelaide in 1878 for the birth of her first child Emily Sophia Morgan and her next child died in Melbourne in 1880, so she reached Victoria in the interim.
Annie Johnston's family have no clear idea when she left Tasmania but her marriage record places her here in Victoria in 1884. She would have been 20/21 y.o. at that time and her sister was in Melbourne by then. Their father died in 1882, violently. These two events may or may be related. Their brother Bill may well have been in Campbell Town in 1890, as a criminal record suggests. He must have been in Victoria by 1895 for his name to appear on Gordon Quinlan's birth cert. as the father.

Just when we think it can't get any murkier .....


And Judith, re: this observation of yours:

That Launceston registrar was determined to add a 'd' to the surname!

Spot on! or was the Quinlan spelling the error? Given the prevalence of illiteracy at the time the scribe doing the recording of details may well have best guessed a spelling which a family member didn't know for sure anyway.  Simple matter of fact is: I don't know with any certainty. I lean towards Quinlan, given that W.C. Quinlan's name stays without the (d), and I could be dead wrong.

I cannot thank you all enough for your help.



     
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: judb on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:00 BST (UK)
I'd go with QUINLAN - the only references to Quinland are those birth and death registrations by one registrar in Launceston.  They muddied the waters a little in the search but there is other evidence of the use of Quinlan even for the same people - eg the baptism records listed by matthewj64 and the newspaper death notice for Margaret.

Judith

Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:21 BST (UK)
I was just a few minutes ago thinking similarly about those baptism records. ...if the clergy weren't among the fairly literate, then we're all in trouble.

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:26 BST (UK)
Is this the earliest evidence you have of a QUINLAN being outside Tasmania?

BDM VIC death
1879 / 4589 MORGAN  Emily Sophia Owen / Ellen (Quinland)
born Adelaide age 1

Do you have a death certificate for father Owen MORGAN to see how long he lived in SA....or ever in?

A birth in SA  would cause you to wonder why Ellen is there. This child is possibly MORGAN at death but not born to Owen....child of Ellen. Do you have this death certificate....who is the informant?


Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:31 BST (UK)

Search VIC BDM for births and deaths with QUINLAND mother to see this spelling used by your family.  This is their pronunciation of their name?
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Tuesday 26 June 18 08:35 BST (UK)
Am I correct in thinking that William Quinlan senior arrived in 1841 on Asia (6) as Cornelius Quinlan? There's a note on his convict record that ties him to a Launceston court case in 1856 as William.

M
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 10:54 BST (UK)
Good points, wivenhoe.
I do have a Pioneer index record of Emily Morgan's birth in Adelaide with both names on it. She died the next year. Buried in Melbourne cemetery April 1879, aged 14 months. Her infant sister Letitia was buried with her not too long after.
I also have Owen Orr Morgan's death cert. which makes no mention of his time in Adelaide. His is another checkered story best left alone for now :-)
The birth is Adelaide is certainly food for thought .. maybe the first ship they could get on? Fact is that once they reached Melbourne they stayed.
Owen Morgan died in 1887, leaving Ellen then with a 6 y.o. Annie and a 1 year Letitia (born 1886).
Hope this helps.
Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Tuesday 26 June 18 11:05 BST (UK)
Am I correct in thinking that William Quinlan senior arrived in 1841 on Asia (6) as Cornelius Quinlan? There's a note on his convict record that ties him to a Launceston court case in 1856 as William.

Hello Matthew,

This is the convict I believe to be the prime suspect to be our ancestor. I can't say that I have much more to go on ... his implied birth year is 2 years out from the one suggested in the Pioneer Index. And the Launceston town is a very good fit. (I have seen a couple of other William Quinlans on convict ship lists). They seem to be less likely fits in our story.

William Cornelius Quinlan is a name which appears at times in the records. Senior and Junior, and the William Cornelius name carried a little further down the family lines.

Thanks again.

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 26 June 18 11:36 BST (UK)
"... Fact is that once they reached Melbourne they stayed".

If Emily Sophie was born in Adelaide I would keep an open mind about Owen MORGAN being the father of Emily Sophie MORGAN, died 1879.

Who is the informant for the death certificate of Owen MORGAN, d. 1887....the person whose advice does not include him living in SA?

The death certificate for Emily Sophie MORGAN would ask for residency....time in the colony....what do you see? Who is the informant?. Where did Emily Sophie die? Is this death certificate a typed transcription, or an image of a handwritten document?   

Might be a transcription error. Do you see Adelaide...or Adelaide SA....Adelaide South Australia?

If Ellen was in SA it opens other research possibilities. Why is Ellen in Adelaide in late 1870s?
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Wednesday 27 June 18 01:45 BST (UK)
Thanks, wivenhoe,

To respond:

If Emily Sophie was born in Adelaide I would keep an open mind about Owen MORGAN being the father of Emily Sophie MORGAN, died 1879.

***I hadn't considered this. The names are highly likely Morgan family names, Emily after Owen's sister who died very young, and Sophia after his mother. Worth considering all the same.

Who is the informant for the death certificate of Owen MORGAN, d. 1887....the person whose advice does not include him living in SA?

***The informant was his brother William Morgan. He advised that Owen lived all his life in Melbourne (which is wrong; he joined the British navy at age 14 and shot through in Sydney 4 years later, so is likely to have been on at least a few long sea voyages in 4 years).


The death certificate for Emily Sophie MORGAN would ask for residency....time in the colony....what do you see? Who is the informant?. Where did Emily Sophie die? Is this death certificate a typed transcription, or an image of a handwritten document?   

Might be a transcription error. Do you see Adelaide...or Adelaide SA....Adelaide South Australia?

***She lived for 14 months only, and died in Melbourne. Pioneer Index and bdm online records have her born in "Adelaide", no mention of S.A. I don't have the full death cert.

If Ellen was in SA it opens other research possibilities. Why is Ellen in Adelaide in late 1870s?

***Sure does open other possibilities .. in 1878 when Emily was born Ellen was 22 y.o. (Owen Morgan was 15 years older than her). Why she might be in Adelaide is a very good question.

Thanks again.

Rodney53

Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Wednesday 27 June 18 03:13 BST (UK)
There is/was a Catholic Church in Campbell Town called St. Michael's.
Given that William Quinlan senior met with a violent death in Campbell Town in 1882, and his son looks to have been in the area also,  it is possible/likely he was buried from this church.
Does anyone have a link for burial records of that church?
Thanks.
Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Wednesday 27 June 18 05:43 BST (UK)
I can't see any catholic burial records available that would include William's death, but you may want to contact the catholic archives just in case they have something. Link here, plus index of registers held by Tasmanian archives.
https://www.linc.tas.gov.au/archive-heritage/guides-records/Pages/Church-reg.aspx

I found William's record from the Campbell Town Hospital admission book (TAHO HSO35), which says-

William Quanlan, 60
Admitted 22 July 1882, emergency
Concussion of brain
Died 24 July
Residence - Lake River

His inquest says the injury occured at Macquarie River, which places him somewhere near to the town of Cressy, about 30 miles out of Campbell Town

I suppose there's a chance that his religion wasn't known and he may be buried in a non-catholic area?

M
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: judb on Wednesday 27 June 18 05:51 BST (UK)
No help with registers but there are some lovely photos of that church on this site:
http://monissa.com/ccphotos/st-michaels-catholic-church-campbell-town/

This site has a list of burials at St Michaels cemetery but no Quinlan.  I'm not sure how comprehensive this list ois or what dates it covers, and possibly it only lists those with headstones.  No mention of any Quinlan on the Anglican cemetery list on Billion Graves site either (Apparently the Anglican cemetery was used by all denominations in the early days)

https://billiongraves.com/sitemap/index.php?cemetery_id=151570&start=0&limit=10000

Again, some photos here but (obviously!) only of those with headstones.  No individual information.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/tas/midlands/stmichael.htm

Judith
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Wednesday 27 June 18 06:10 BST (UK)
I can't see any catholic burial records available that would include William's death, but you may want to contact the catholic archives just in case they have something. Link here, plus index of registers held by Tasmanian archives.

I suppose there's a chance that his religion wasn't known and he may be buried in a non-catholic area?

***Thanks, Matthew, will give it a try. I have been told that in the early days some burials were in private areas of farmlands. He may well have been there. Or on another cemetery altogether.

*** Thanks also, Judith. Records are scarce everywhere it seems. Photos of the church are beautiful. I'd like to think we had a connection of some sort with such a place in Tasmania. Not looking promising though.

I found William's record from the Campbell Town Hospital admission book (TAHO HSO35), which says-

William Quanlan, 60
Admitted 22 July 1882, emergency
Concussion of brain
Died 24 July
Residence - Lake River

His inquest says the injury occured at Macquarie River, which places him somewhere near to the town of Cressy, about 30 miles out of Campbell Town.

***This is great information. Many thanks, Matthew. And it shifts the focus away from Campbell  Town.

Does the inquest suggest charges be laid by whoever pushed him down the steps to his death?

Rodney53
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Wednesday 27 June 18 07:03 BST (UK)
Something about it here in petty sessions records - hard to read
http://stors.tas.gov.au/LC83-1-14
page 234 James Sessions (Sessons or Sissons in inquest from memory)

'Fully committed for trial'?

M

add- 'Apprehended upon the verdict of a jury of Coroners Inquest held this day ? ? found that William Quinlan came to his death by being forcibly pushed down the steps of a house at ?ington ? / ?on the 20th July  ? ? ? '
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: wivenhoe on Wednesday 27 June 18 08:25 BST (UK)
CON33
Cornelius QUIUNLAN #2157  "Asia" 1841 tried Central Criminal Court 19 Oct 1840 arr. 21 Aug 1841
…"falsely represents himself to be a groom and horseman when hired by his master...
native place Stratford

12 May 1842...….causing a letter to be written and sent to his wife without the knowledge of the Assistant Super…..

1 Feb 1853 Recommended for Certificate Of Freedom  not to reside in the district of Hobart

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QUINLAN Cornelius gentleman's servant  Roman Catholic, neither read / write
f(ather) Cornelius a fishmonger
m(other) Eleanor    4 b(rothers) 1 s(ister)  N(ative)  P(lace)
2 b(rothers) at home  Mrs P****

Old Bailey online
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp
Cornelius QUINLAN, 23 years...BROWN came into the room with a child in her arms...…..BROWN ……... said her husband worked at the steam—boats—she said Quinlan was her husband—

BROWN Hannah #471 arr. "Rajah" tried Central Criminal 19 Oct 1840
…..single one child on board...15 Apr 1844 returned to the crown being pregnant...….

"Rajah" arrived 24 Jul 1841

Hannah BROWN marr. John JONES  5 Jan 1846 St Georges Hobart.
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Wednesday 27 June 18 12:25 BST (UK)
***Thanks, Matthew ... another gem. Incredible! (and yes, not easy to decipher but worth the effort if you're of the Quinlan line). So very grateful.

***Thanks, wivenhoe ... so many echoes in your latest finds of the records of the Quinlans...groom/horseman/not in Hobart/Roman Catholic. I can't thank you enough. The case for this Cornelius Quinlan, from Stratford, on the "Asia" being our William Cornelius Quinlan in Launceston is strengthened by your discoveries.


Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Thursday 19 July 18 14:48 BST (UK)
Trial Id   Name   1st Offence for which Committed   Date of Trial   Verdict First Offence   

97703   WILLIAM QUINLAN   WOUNDING A COW   1856-10-29   NOT GUILTY      

119287   WILLIAM QUINLAN   UNLAWFULLY WOUNDING   1881-11-23   SUMMARILY      

(https://prosecutionproject.griffith.edu.au/prosecutions)
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I have sketchy records of the two trials identified above. The Not Guilty is a relief given the track record of the Quinlans.

I am hoping somebody may be able to interpret for me what "Summarily" means in this context ... summarily treated? summarily dismissed?

The date is ominous given that in 1882 William Quinlan is pushed violently down steps and ends up dying in Campbell Town hospital.

(As an aside I should add how much interest and gratitude this thread had generated within the Quinlan families, so again my thanks to all who have assisted).

Rodney53

Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Thursday 19 July 18 18:37 BST (UK)
The 1881 case is William junior

1881 'LAUNCESTON POLICE COURT.', Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), 16 November, p. 1. (Supplement to the Launceston Examiner.), viewed 20 Jul 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38228398

1881 'LAUNCESTON POLICE COURT.', Launceston Examiner (Tas. : 1842 - 1899), 27 December, p. 2. , viewed 20 Jul 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article38229771

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Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: matthewj64 on Thursday 19 July 18 18:46 BST (UK)
'Summary Judgment
A procedural device used during civil litigation to promptly and expeditiously dispose of a case without a trial'

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/summary+judgment

This fits with William jnr's plea of guilty to the reduced charge of assault
Title: Re: 1869 burial of Jeremiah Quinlan, in Tasmania
Post by: Rodney53 on Friday 20 July 18 01:43 BST (UK)
Thanks a heap, matthewj64

I didn't think to look at trove.

I had considered Junior as the offender but dismissed him because of his tender years.

Ironically, in 1915, he was involved in the stabbing murder of his sister (Annie Johnston) by the estranged husband (John McNamara) of their niece (Letitia McNamara, nee Morgan). After McNamara had fatally wounded Annie Johnston, Quinlan struggled with McNamara and took a few wounds before McNamara fled, only to be captured the next morning.

There is reason to believe that Quinlan Junior was on the wrong side of the law in Victoria as well. The waters get muddied by the existence of two other W. Quinlans in and around Melbourne at around the same time.

Again, my gratitude.

Btw, I have scoured trove and the prosecutions site in search of James Sessions/Sissons/Sessons. Some evidence of criminal activity but nothing in relation to the death of Quinlan Senior. Charges may have been dropped or he may have gone missing.

Rodney53.