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Title: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: Lovat on Sunday 01 July 18 06:22 BST (UK)
My ??Great-GrandfatherEdward Maudsley Hockly, was the Master on HMS China, from Liverpool to New York in around July 1869,  but due to being ill he stayed in America while the First Officer commanded the ship on the return voyage to Liverpool.The First Officer received a note from him stating that he was in Buffallo. Nothing has been heard as to the whereabouts of Edward since. His death doesn't appear in any records back in England either! A newspaper article in Liverpool Mercury in January 25th 1870, Pg7 (Col b) regarding Southport (U.K.) Court Petty Sessions, his 2nd wife whom he married in 1864 states that on his arrival in New York he sent her a note, but she has heard nothing from him since. The article also states that information has been received which showed that the Captain had gone away with a lady, but not what information. Please assist me to find him
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: cath151 on Sunday 01 July 18 09:28 BST (UK)
Hi
There is this
Liverpool Echo 7th May 1917
Deaths
Hockly -  May 6th suddenly at Kinnerton , Edward Maudsley Hockly late of the Cunard Company of Elm House, Higher Bebington.
No flowers by request

Cathy
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:36 BST (UK)


Confirming what Cathy found . . . . .

FreeBMD 1917 Jun Hawarden 11b 305 Hockly Edward M
However, it states that he was 68yo neabibg birth around 1849

Therefore all the dates do not fit.
Are we talking about the same person?


Why "1921-?" in the thread title?
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: nanny jan on Sunday 01 July 18 09:39 BST (UK)

Edward's age shown as 68 so born around 1849.
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:44 BST (UK)
Sorry Nanny Jan (I enhanced my post while you were typing)

Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: cath151 on Sunday 01 July 18 09:46 BST (UK)
He appears to have had a wife Jemima who was living at the correct address in 1911.
Liverpool Daily Post 1st March 1941 under heading "Death of Birkenhead Woman Centenarian"
Jemima Hockly from Ireland
" married life resident at Elm House, Higher Bebington"
"husband   L (?) Hockly, a ships Captain who died in the last war and was well known in shipping circle on Merseyside".

Cathy
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:50 BST (UK)

A master in 1869?

He was awarded his Masters Cert in 1877
Edward Maudesley Hockly
Estimated Age:28
Birth Date:1849
Birth Place:Liverpool
Issue Date:21 Apr 1877
Issue Port:London
Certificate Number:93507

[ Available on Anc ]
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 09:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:36 BST (UK)
Confirming what Cathy found . . . . .

FreeBMD 1917 Jun Hawarden 11b 305 Hockly Edward M
However, it states that he was 68yo neabibg birth around 1849

Therefore all the dates do not fit.
Are we talking about the same person?

There is a record here of an Edward Mawdsley Hockly born in 1821 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13490200

Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: nanny jan on Sunday 01 July 18 09:52 BST (UK)
Quote from: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:44 BST (UK)
Sorry Nanny Jan (I enhanced my post while you were typing)

No worries....  ;)
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:55 BST (UK)


Second Mate's Cert in 1870 (same source)

Edward Maudesley Hockly
Estimated Age:21
Birth Date:1849
Birth Place:Liverpool, Lancashire
Issue Date:30 Sep 1870
Issue Port:Liverpool
Certificate Number:93507
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 09:57 BST (UK)
Quote from: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:36 BST (UK)
Why "1921-?" in the thread title?

I think it should read 1821 not 1921?
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: nanny jan on Sunday 01 July 18 09:58 BST (UK)
Edward (b 1849) was baptised in 1850; parents are Edward Maudsley and Ann Minett(?) of Vine Street, Liverpool.  Edward shown as a mariner.
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 09:59 BST (UK)


Hi Jen = Agreed  :)

Possible parent's marriage (ie the marriage of the EMH born 1821?)

Edward Maudsly Hockly
Registration Year:1844
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:Dursley
Parishes for this Registration District:    View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County:Gloucestershire
Volume:11
Page:407
Records on Page:
Name
Martha Bailey  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=1068430)
Jane Blinkworth  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=2729863)
Ann Cary  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=4896550)
Henry Fisher  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=9801251)
Mary Glastonbury  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=11064552)
Thomas Harrison  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=12858318)
Edward Maudsly Hockly  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=13992893)
Frederic James  (https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=FreeBMDMarriage&indiv=try&h=15477296)
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 10:03 BST (UK)


There are a number of tress on Anc with varying (mis)matches
including Ann Minet(t) Cary

Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 10:05 BST (UK)
Quote
A newspaper article in Liverpool Mercury in January 25th 1870, Pg7 (Col b) regarding Southport (U.K.) Court Petty Sessions, his 2nd wife whom he married in 1864 states that on his arrival in New York he sent her a note, but she has heard nothing from him since.

It looks like we really need the OP to confirm that the search is for the whereabouts post 1870 of Edward Maudsley Hockley born in 1821?
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: LaurelOsprey on Sunday 01 July 18 11:01 BST (UK)
I read the OP's original posting and did some research. Since I'm slow and in the US and have been up way too late, it took me awhile to figure out there were at least three Edward Maudsley Hockleys (born 1795, 1822, and 1849). I found the Second Mate (1870) and then the Master Mariner (1878) Certs for the Edward Maudsley Hockley born in 1849 and thought if he came to the US in 1869, he would have been too young to be a Master Mariner, so the Edward Maudsley Hockley born in 1822 seemed more likely.

I know we haven't gotten clarification from the OP, which might make my data/thoughts irrelevant, but I researched it and thought I'd share it anyway.

I found an 1851 Census from Liverpool with the following:
Yes, I know there is no Maudsley listed in their names.

Before I found the 1851 Census, I found the 1861 Census below from Linacre, Lancashire that made finding the 1851 Census confusing:

Since I'm slow, in the US and haven't gone to bed yet, sorry for the typos and thanks for your patience  :).  I've only been coming to this site for a little while, but I love it and have learned a great deal in a short period of time so thank you.

Laurel
   
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 11:06 BST (UK)
Laurel
I wish more people would take the trouble to be as neat and precise.

Ray
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 11:17 BST (UK)
Here's the newspaper report, last sighting Buffalo Illinois in mid 1869  :-\
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 01 July 18 11:30 BST (UK)


"but due to being ill he stayed in America"
OR
He was in Buffalo, Ill. as in Buffalo Illinois ?
 ::)
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 11:49 BST (UK)
Quote from: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 11:17 BST (UK)
Here's the newspaper report, last sighting Buffalo Illinois in mid 1869  :-\

I assumed it was Buffalo Illinois, but of course I was wrong as it's in New York State  :-[

So it must be that he was in Buffalo, ill, i.e. indisposed.
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: LaurelOsprey on Sunday 01 July 18 12:08 BST (UK)
There is an article about a Captain Hockley of the Cunard Steamship China in the 1 Jun 1870 edition of The New York Herald. It indicates the ship left Liverpool on 21 May, Queenstown on 22 May and arrived in port (assuming New York) on 31 May 1870.

Will keep searching!
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: JenB on Sunday 01 July 18 14:03 BST (UK)
1821 Edward's daughter Maud, born 1853, married francis Holmees in 1885.

In the announcement of the marriage in the St James' Gazette, and other newspapers, Edward is referred to as 'the late Captain Hockly of Liverpool'.

It could be, of course, that he'd been missing for so long that they simply assumed he was dead  :-\
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: LaurelOsprey on Monday 02 July 18 13:48 BST (UK)
To the OP, I just posted on another thread about a resource that might help you find some info about your missing great-grandfather, Captain Edward Maudsley Hockley who sailed in to New York Harbor in 1869 from England and was never heard from again by his 2nd wife back in England.

The site is called "Old Fulton NY Postcard Website AND New York State Historical Photos & Newspapers".
www.fultonhistory.com

It's a great, free resource not only if you're researching newspapers in New York State, but anywhere including internationally.  They might not have a paper for a specific city, but that doesn't mean articles from that city don't get picked-up by other papers. The site owner has scanned over 50,000,000 newspaper pages and he adds thousands more each month.

Last night I did a quick search for Capt. Hockley and came up with 69 records. I read through them quickly and some are just short articles saying he was in a port wherever, but there are some other records I think that may be more relevant and might help put some pieces of the puzzle together. I know you have three Edward Maudsley Hockleys who all sailed in your family so that complicates things a bit.

It takes a while to get used to the site design I referenced above and it's not intuitive in the beginning when you're learning to do searches. There are rare times when accessing the site is slow, but no more so than other sites and those two things aside, it's a great resource.

I haven't found out where he ended up (I'm referring to the EM Hockley born in 1821), but there seem to be references to him fairly regularly after 1869. The RMS China wasn't the only Cunard line vessel or other ship he captained (assuming I'm keeping all three men straight). He also sailed in to other ports like Halifax, Boston and Cork Harbor so maybe if he didn't return to England, he went to Canada or ended up in Boston, Baltimore or another East Coast city. Or perhaps China or Ireland.

You'd originally posted his last voyage from Liverpool to New York was in July 1869. Yesterday I posted that there was a 1 Jun 1870 article from The New York Herald that indicated Captain Hockley and his ship the China arrived in the Port of New York on 31 May 1870. That's what the article said, but when I searched the New York Arriving Passenger Lists for 1869 and 1870 and actually read the completed vessel manifests that list the ship's Master's name, the last crossing for him seems to have been when he arrived in New York on 28 Jul 1869 as you'd thought. After that, John Macauley was consistently listed as the Master on the China's manifests.

You've got a mystery on your hands but it certainly makes it interesting! :o

Laurel
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: ShaunJ on Monday 02 July 18 14:13 BST (UK)
Here's a photo of him from 1863 http://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/I-8893.1
Title: Re: CAPTAIN EDWARD MAUDSLEY HOCKLY 1921-???? Cunnard Shipping Line
Post by: LaurelOsprey on Monday 02 July 18 14:51 BST (UK)
Quote from: ShaunJ on Monday 02 July 18 14:13 BST (UK)
Here's a photo of him from 1863 http://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/I-8893.1

I think the old photographs are so interesting. I've got a box of family photos but no one left to tell me who is who in half of them. I found a different photo of him in the same collection of the one you linked to.  I wondered what his dress, posture and facial expressions would tell a person, taking into consideration and making adjustments for the time period the photos were taken in. A different photo: http://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/en/collection/artifacts/I-8892.1

Laurel