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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Kezzza on Sunday 08 July 18 11:24 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find out information on Thomas Henry Boik.
The only definite information that I have on him is that he had a son with Mary Lousia Betts (also know as Lucking) in 1887 in NSW, his name also Thomas Henry Boik
From my research I believe I have found him at Yarra Bend Asylum where he died in 1898 aged 44 which would make him born in about 1854 but I am not 100% sure if this is the correct person. I have found a death record on BDM Vic which states that a Thomas Henry Boik died that year and it was resisted in Chil.
Furthermore, It says on the Asylum records that he was born in England however I am unable to find evidence of this.
I am not really sure where else to look to try and confirm this information. If anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Kez
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There is a Thomas Henry Boik born in England Jun 1852 Poplar - mothers maiden name Collins.
Will see if can find what happened to him just in case he is your chap.
Baptism 11 July 1852 to parents Henry and Rachel.
In 1861/1871 he is safely at home with his parents. In 1871 age 18 he is an engineer.
Now to find him after that - he isn't at home in 1881 with parents and siblings.
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There is a Thomas Henry Boik born in England Jun 1852 Poplar - mothers maiden name Collins.
Will see if can find what happened to him just in case he is your chap.
Baptism 11 July 1852 to parents Henry and Rachel.
In 1861/1871 he is safely at home with his parents. In 1871 age 18 he is an engineer.
Now to find him after that - he isn't at home in 1881 with parents and siblings.
Ohhh thanks I didn’t even think of going back further. This could be him as in the registration for the asylum it said his occupation was an engineer.
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Snap just spotted that on the asylum record - engineer.
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Snap just spotted that on the asylum record - engineer.
Haha ::) it also says his next of kin is living in Sydney however this is not Mary Louisa as she has gotten married in 1894 in Melbourne
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Do you know if Mary Louisa came from England as well?
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Mary Louisa Lucking daughter of George Betts marries in 1894 as a widow with former husband deceased in 1891 - presume this is Mr Lucking whoever he was. She is born London.
Sooooo I guess she never married Thomas Henry Boik.
Her mother is Elizabeth Stevens so this birth
Mar 1858 Greenwich
Betts Mary Louisa
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Do you know if Mary Louisa came from England as well?
Yeah she did. 1st Feb 1858 Woolwich England
She first got married to Frederick John Lucking in 1875 at St Marks Victoria Docks
Had 4 children
Then she had a relationship with James Williamson and they had a child in 1884.
Then she may have come to Australia under the name Williamson but not 100% sure on this
Then Boik came along.
I hope that makes sense haha
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Mary Louisa Lucking daughter of George Betts marries in 1894 as a widow with former husband deceased in 1891 - presume this is Mr Lucking whoever he was. She is born London.
Sooooo I guess she never married Thomas Henry Boik.
Her mother is Elizabeth Stevens so this birth
Mar 1858 Greenwich
Betts Mary Louisa
So you would assume that the husband she is referring too is Lucking?
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Would assume so yes. So a death registration for Frederick John Lucking 1891 would confirm.
Need to find Thomas Henry travelling to Australia but for now lunch is calling!
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Then she may have come to Australia under the name Williamson but not 100% sure on this
If only it said James instead of Jane!
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Then she may have come to Australia under the name Williamson but not 100% sure on this
If only it said James instead of Jane!
Haha yes! My gut says it’s the right people but sometimes it’s not enough haha
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Would assume so yes. So a death registration for Frederick John Lucking 1891 would confirm.
Need to find Thomas Henry travelling to Australia but for now lunch is calling!
Thanks for your help. I’ve been looking at this for weeks trying to get my head around it I definitely needed some fresh eyes!!
Have a nice lunch :)
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Ancestry NSW Police Gazette 24 Dec 1888 p395
...warrant Thomas Henry BOIK …..violent behaviour Louisa LUCKING....30 years.....5 feet 9 inches stout build....dark moustache.....
Search Papers Past NZ to find Thomas BOIK....brother Joe...….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
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Ancestry NSW Police Gazette 24 Dec 1888 p395
...warrant Thomas Henry BOIK …..violent behaviour Louisa LUCKING....30 years.....5 feet 9 inches stout build....dark moustache.....
Hi
Thanks for the info.
This would make him born in about 1858 then.. hmmm so many different dates haha
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Search Papers Past NZ to find Thomas BOIK....brother Joe...….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
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Search Papers Past NZ to find Thomas BOIK....brother Joe...….
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
I didn't even know this website existed thanks I will have a look :)
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Auckland Star 1 Jul 1890
Thomas Boik, of Poplar, went to New Zealand in 1879, and last wrote from Wellington ; brother Joe.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18900701.2.27?
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Census 1871 at 26 Cobden Street Bromley
BOIK Henry 48y brass moulder b. Spitalfields
BOIK Rachel 47y brass moulder b. St Pancras
BOIK Thomas 18y engineer b. Bromley
BOIK Rebecca 16y pupil teacher b. Bromley
BOIK Jemima 10y scholar b. Bromley
BOIK William 7y b. Bromley
BOIK Charles 4y b. Bromley
BOIK Joseph 1y b. Bromley
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Death for Mary Louisa Smithwick age 86 in 1944 East Brunswick Victoria. Parents names match.
Suggested link to a passenger list for Mrs Betts age 28 arrival 11 Jan 1886 from London but not sure that is your Louisa as there is another Betts above age 30 Mr E.
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Digressing a little but am curious about Frederick John Lucking and the 4 children they had - are they all together in 1881 census?
If he was the husband who supposedly died in 1891 making her a widow I haven't found his death yet :-\
Louisa Elizabeth 1876
Martha Hannah 1878
Maud Frederica 1882 *
Is that some of the right children?
* marries in Australia but you probably already have that.
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Hi
I am trying to find out information on Thomas Henry Boik.
The only definite information that I have on him is that he had a son with Mary Lousia Betts (also know as Lucking) in 1887 in NSW, his name also Thomas Henry Boik
From my research I believe I have found him at Yarra Bend Asylum where he died in 1898 aged 44 which would make him born in about 1854 but I am not 100% sure if this is the correct person. I have found a death record on BDM Vic which states that a Thomas Henry Boik died that year and it was resisted in Chil.
Furthermore, It says on the Asylum records that he was born in England however I am unable to find evidence of this.
I am not really sure where else to look to try and confirm this information. If anyone has any ideas it would be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Kez
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I think you need to obtain copy of the actual official record rather than just rely on index information.
NSW BDM online index has registration number for a birth for Thomas H, as son of Thomas H and Mary L BOIK, registered in the Newtown district in 1887 #9197. The official transcription of that document will give you details that the informant provided for that registration, including when/where the parents married, and the names of the older siblings for the baby whose birth was being registered. It should also give you the then ages of those parents, and where they were born, other family history info including occupation, usual address etc.
From the resources board here on the Australia board, you will find sub-boards, including one for Victoria and one for New South Wales. NSW Resources will give you many live links, including to Sands Directories and that should assist in looking up BOIK and others in around 1887ish in the Newtown District (so not just the suburb of Newtown, but neighbouring suburbs). This should lead you to Sands: http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory
Victoria Resources should give you many live links including several to help with sorting out the abbreviations used on INDEXES for bdms…. This should help with the abbreviation: http://bdmabbreviations.steveparker.id.au/
Here are live links to both the New Zealand and Australia Boards’ Resources
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/new-zealand-resources-offers/
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
JM
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Census 1871 at 26 Cobden Street Bromley
BOIK Henry 48y brass moulder b. Spitalfields
BOIK Rachel 47y brass moulder b. St Pancras
BOIK Thomas 18y engineer b. Bromley
BOIK Rebecca 16y pupil teacher b. Bromley
BOIK Jemima 10y scholar b. Bromley
BOIK William 7y b. Bromley
BOIK Charles 4y b. Bromley
BOIK Joseph 1y b. Bromley
Hey thanks for the info :) I am still not 100% convinced that this is the correct person but I am really hoping it is!! :)
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Digressing a little but am curious about Frederick John Lucking and the 4 children they had - are they all together in 1881 census?
If he was the husband who supposedly died in 1891 making her a widow I haven't found his death yet :-\
Louisa Elizabeth 1876
Martha Hannah 1878
Maud Frederica 1882 *
Is that some of the right children?
* marries in Australia but you probably already have that.
Hey Yes they are the correct people however I wasn’t able to find them all at the same location on a census. The only person I found was Martha Hannah who was living with the Aunty (Louisa’s sister)
This is one confusing family. Louisa ended up having about 4 or 5 different partners!
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Blimey! So I just received the NSW birth certificate for Thomas Henry.
It says that Thomas Henry Boik and Mary Louisa Betts were married on 16 May 1875 in London England.... the same day that Mary Louisa Betts married Frederick Lucking!!
Now this has just blown my mind.. could they be the same person?!?!
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Good grief - here's another marriage on same day -
From:
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Marriage
16 May 1875, at St Andrew and St Philip, Kensal Green, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Mary Louisa BETTS, 21, spinster, father: William BETTS, tailor
Nathaniel James MOLE, 21, bachelor, bootmaker, father: Charles MOLE, gentleman
Both living at 7 Elcom? St,
Witnesses: Edward Arthur SNOOK, Marian E SNOOK
Register Type: Parish Register
HOwever - this woman is still in UK (Wandsworth) in 1891 and 1911 with husband James MOLE, bootmaker and 5 children all born in or around London. Her birthplace is given as Bloomsbury, approximate birthdate 1854
What a coincidence the marriage date. Worth remembering that there are two women of the same name - or are there three of them???????????????
Judith
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The Mary Louise BETTS/John Frederick LUCKING marriage was at West Ham, Vol 4a, p87, Apr qr 1875 My information doesn't have an exact date.
Judith
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From TROVE
(Already mentioned above but here's a newspaper mention)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/117020101
30 Dec 1889
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/227569009
Thomas BOIK bound over to keep the peace after threatening Louisa LUCKING.
Judith
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Good grief - here's another marriage on same day -
From:
London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Marriage
16 May 1875, at St Andrew and St Philip, Kensal Green, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Mary Louisa BETTS, 21, spinster, father: William BETTS, tailor
Nathaniel James MOLE, 21, bachelor, bootmaker, father: Charles MOLE, gentleman
Both living at 7 Elcom? St,
Witnesses: Edward Arthur SNOOK, Marian E SNOOK
Register Type: Parish Register
HOwever - this woman is still in UK (Wandsworth) in 1891 and 1911 with husband James MOLE, bootmaker and 5 children all born in or around London. Her birthplace is given as Bloomsbury, approximate birthdate 1854
What a coincidence the marriage date. Worth remembering that there are two women of the same name - or are there three of them???????????????
Judith
Hey Judith,
Thanks for the info. This Mary Louisa Betts father was George Betts and mother was Elizabeth Stevens.
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The Mary Louise BETTS/John Frederick LUCKING marriage was at West Ham, Vol 4a, p87, Apr qr 1875 My information doesn't have an exact date.
Judith
Hey Judith, I have a copy of the marriage cert from church records the date was 16th May 1875 :)
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I know the Kensington marriage is not the right woman, but it does illustrate the fact that there are two women of the same name so easy to confuse. At least the one who married Mr MOLE stayed in England!
I don't think your Louisa did actually marry BOIK but used her own marriage date on the registration of the child in NSW. Who was the informant for the birth registration, please?
Judith
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Wow this has moved on apace!
Just to reiterate the correct Mary Louisa Betts had a father called George.
I would agree with Judith she used the same marriage date.
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Hey Yes they are the correct people however I wasn’t able to find them all at the same location on a census. The only person I found was Martha Hannah who was living with the Aunty (Louisa’s sister)
This is one confusing family. Louisa ended up having about 4 or 5 different partners!
Louisa Elizabeth born Sep 1876 West Ham Union may have died - this death would fit :(
Louisa Elizabeth Lucking Jun 1879 West Ham Union age 2
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I know the Kensington marriage is not the right woman, but it does illustrate the fact that there are two women of the same name so easy to confuse. At least the one who married Mr MOLE stayed in England!
I don't think your Louisa did actually marry BOIK but used her own marriage date on the registration of the child in NSW. Who was the informant for the birth registration, please?
Judith
Hey Judith
The informant with Mary Louisa
The only reason I’m thinking it is the same person is that there is no death record for Lucking and the ages sort of work out.
But at the same time you are correct in that she just used that marriage on the form.
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I remember seeing an article on Trove that was in relation to Lucking/Boik/ Smithwick’s that had something about a Smee (I know Smee is one of the mothers maiden names on BDM in the UK that had a birth of a Frederick)I thought I saved the article but apparently I didn’t, I have been trying to find it again :-\
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This is the birth you refer to
Frederick Lucking Sep 1852 Chelmsford mothers maiden name Smee
There's a William Jun 1848 Frederick Dec 1849 Arthur Jun 1857 George Mar 1859 same parents surnames all Chelmsford
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This is the birth you refer to
Frederick Lucking Sep 1852 Chelmsford mothers maiden name Smee
There's a William Jun 1848 Frederick Dec 1849 Arthur Jun 1857 George Mar 1859 same parents surnames all Chelmsford
Hey yes they are it.
Is there a way I can find out the father’s name without having to purchase the records? All I know is it was Robert
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That one doesn't look like Robert - marriage 1848 William Lucking and Hannah Smee but can check for that family on census.
Robert Lucking marriage was 1843. I thought Frederick was with parents up to 1871 then ?? but I may be getting confused with all the names!
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That one doesn't look like Robert - marriage 1848 William Lucking and Hannah Smee but can check for that family on census.
Robert Lucking marriage was 1843. I thought Frederick was with parents up to 1871 then ?? but I may be getting confused with all the names!
Hahaha I get soo confused too!
I’m not sure if we have ever confirmed we found the correct family but I might have that wrong! :o
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Did you say you had a copy of the 1875 marriage?
Can you say what occupation there was for Frederick and for Robert and who the witnesses were (if you have it)
The one I was looking at had father Robert mother Hannah and born c1849 Chelmsford
Hannah would be Hannah Colt from the 1843 Chelmsford marriage
In 1871 he is a stone masons labourer and father is a carman
Oh dear I hope this isn't going on the wrong track.
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Did you say you had a copy of the 1875 marriage?
Can you say what occupation there was for Frederick and for Robert and who the witnesses were (if you have it)
So for Frederick it has his name a John Frederick and not Frederick John. He’s occupation as Labour
Robert’s occupation farmer.
Frederick was 22 yo and Mary 19 (how ever I believe she was younger 17)
The witnesses were John Hall (not sure if he is related and Mary’s sister Eliza Ellen Rawston
They were living at 5 young st at the time, however I haven’t been able to find that address anywhere. However being from Aus I something get confused with the counties etc so I could be looking at it wrong haha
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Thanks for that so the one I had doesn't look right does it :-\ unless I misread farmer as carman.
There is another one with father Robert but that doesn't seem to fit either.
Anyway I have found a John Lucking who died in 1891 which is what Louisa claimed when she put widow last husband died.
The will of John Lucking of Willingdale Doe Essex died 21 March 1891 proved by Arthur John Lucking of Willingdale Doe farmer the son.
But your John wouldn't have a son old enough in 1891 would he so probably not our man :(
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I see M L's death was registered with a further surname - GUNSTON - and she is mentioned as the wife of Arthur GUNSTON in the death notice.
Death, Victoria, 1944, #7443
Mary Louisa GUNSTON, 86
Death Place: East Brunswick, Victoria
Father's name: Geo Betts
Mother's name: Elizth Stevens
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205997929
GUNSTON.—On July 28, at her residence, 18 St. Phillip-street, East Brunswick, Mary Louise, wife of Willliam Gunston, and loved mother of Thomas Henry and the late Martha, Maud and James Boik, aged 86 years.
(Buried at Coburg cemetery according to funeral notice on same page)
I see that the children mentioned are noted with surname BOIK; are Martha and Maud her children, registered in UK with surname LUCKING? There was also an Alfred James LUCKING, registered West Ham, Dec qr 1883, Vol 4a, p134 - is this the James mentioned in the death notice?
Do you have this death certificate? Could you transcribe it please?
M L is on the electoral roll as Mary Louisa GUNSTON at 205 Albert St west, Brunswick in 1931, 1933
Judith
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Probate application by Thomas Henry BOIK, for Mary Louisa SMITHWICK. (ADD of address as per Judith's post and it is matching Thomas' :) )
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205998581 3 August 1944, The Age.
JM
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Ancestry Victoria Police Gazette 16 Dec 1915
https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/60885/44404_b219484-00967?
….theft of items...….Louisa SMITHWICK from her dwelling 1 University Street Carlton.....
Ancestry Victoria Police Gazette 28 Apr 1921 (larceny report mostly jewellery)
https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/60885/44404_b219490-00431?
CARLTON...at 1 University Place Carlton...William GUNSTON tuckerpointer….
Louise SMITHWICK reports stolen...…...private papers in the name of M L SMITHWICK.....deeds to a block of land Essendon.....Alfred COLEMAN suspected...…
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I see M L's death was registered with a further surname - GUNSTON - and she is mentioned as the wife of Arthur GUNSTON in the death notice.
Death, Victoria, 1944, #7443
Mary Louisa GUNSTON, 86
Death Place: East Brunswick, Victoria
Father's name: Geo Betts
Mother's name: Elizth Stevens
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205997929
GUNSTON.—On July 28, at her residence, 18 St. Phillip-street, East Brunswick, Mary Louise, wife of Willliam Gunston, and loved mother of Thomas Henry and the late Martha, Maud and James Boik, aged 86 years.
(Buried at Coburg cemetery according to funeral notice on same page)
I see that the children mentioned are noted with surname BOIK; are Martha and Maud her children, registered in UK with surname LUCKING? There was also an Alfred James LUCKING, registered West Ham, Dec qr 1883, Vol 4a, p134 - is this the James mentioned in the death notice?
Do you have this death certificate? Could you transcribe it please?
M L is on the electoral roll as Mary Louisa GUNSTON at 205 Albert St west, Brunswick in 1931, 1933
Judith
Hi Judith
This is what it says on the death certificate.
28th July 1944,
18 St Phillip Street, East Brunswick
Mary Louisa Smithwick, known as Many Louisa Gunston
Female 86 years
Father: George Betts
Mother: Elizabeth Betts, formally Stevens
Buried: Coburg Cemetery
Born: London England (unknown how long been in Australia)
First Marriage:
London, England
26 years
Thomas Henry Boik
Issue:
Thomas Henry 58 years
Martha Deceased
Maud Deceased
James Deceased
Second Marriage:
East Melbourne, Victoria
26 years
John Joseph Smithwick
Married
Issue: not any.
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Probate application by Thomas Henry BOIK, for Mary Louisa SMITHWICK. (ADD of address as per Judith's post and it is matching Thomas' :) )
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205998581 3 August 1944, The Age.
JM
Hey JM
I believe that this is the son not the husband - is that what you were thinking?
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Yes.
Please read the various notices in the newspapers as per Trove. Please notice that someone/several someones familiar with the family tree has been transcribing the OCR entries and tagging them, some with Thomas Henry Boik, 1887-1950 some with Thomas Henry Boik(Lucking) 1887-1950.
Perhaps you should consider adding some links to other threads for this extended family, to avoid duplications.
JM
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Yes.
Please read the various notices in the newspapers as per Trove. Please notice that someone/several someones familiar with the family tree has been transcribing the OCR entries and tagging them, some with Thomas Henry Boik, 1887-1950 some with Thomas Henry Boik(Lucking) 1887-1950.
Perhaps you should consider adding some links to other threads for this extended family, to avoid duplications.
JM
Hi
That’s me that’s been tagging them :)
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I see M L's death was registered with a further surname - GUNSTON - and she is mentioned as the wife of Arthur GUNSTON in the death notice.
Death, Victoria, 1944, #7443
Mary Louisa GUNSTON, 86
Death Place: East Brunswick, Victoria
Father's name: Geo Betts
Mother's name: Elizth Stevens
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205997929
GUNSTON.—On July 28, at her residence, 18 St. Phillip-street, East Brunswick, Mary Louise, wife of Willliam Gunston, and loved mother of Thomas Henry and the late Martha, Maud and James Boik, aged 86 years.
(Buried at Coburg cemetery according to funeral notice on same page)
I see that the children mentioned are noted with surname BOIK; are Martha and Maud her children, registered in UK with surname LUCKING? There was also an Alfred James LUCKING, registered West Ham, Dec qr 1883, Vol 4a, p134 - is this the James mentioned in the death notice?
Do you have this death certificate? Could you transcribe it please?
M L is on the electoral roll as Mary Louisa GUNSTON at 205 Albert St west, Brunswick in 1931, 1933
Judith
Hi Judith
This is what it says on the death certificate.
28th July 1944,
18 St Phillip Street, East Brunswick
Mary Louisa Smithwick, known as Many Louisa Gunston
Female 86 years
Father: George Betts
Mother: Elizabeth Betts, formally Stevens
Buried: Coburg Cemetery
Born: London England (unknown how long been in Australia)
First Marriage:
London, England
26 years
Thomas Henry Boik
Issue:
Thomas Henry 58 years
Martha Deceased
Maud Deceased
James Deceased
Second Marriage:
East Melbourne, Victoria
26 years
John Joseph Smithwick
Married
Issue: not any.
I originally thought that Alfred James Lucking was related but the mother’s name is Pumfrett. The James is actually a Williamson not a Lucking (even thought from most records his last name was Lucking for the last few years he changed it to Williamson)
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We seem to have exhausted most avenues here. I assume the son was the informant Mary Louisa's death registration. He had very good knowledge of his mother's life, especially as she had a number of partners and children who obviously kept in contact. I wonder if he knew the origins of his father - whether BOIK and LUCKING were actually the same person. I think he was only about 11 when his father died (assuming it's the chap who died 1899, which seems very likely)
Do you have any of the death/marriage certificates for any of her children - wondering how their father was listed on those certificates.
The only other thing I could suggest which might help is if you can get a copy of documents with signatures of both men and compare the handwriting. This will be difficult, if not impossible, as I don't think there is any way of seeing the actual register entries (UK) with original signatures. (My own marriage certificate, given to me on the day is only a transcription of the actual register entry)
Judith
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You have this certificate -
BDM NSW birth
9197 / 1887 BOIK Thomas H parents Thomas H / Mary L @ Newtown
It would ask for previous issue, meaning children born to this couple.
Can you please list all the information on this certificate, including name of informant, and place of birth for baby.
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We seem to have exhausted most avenues here. I assume the son was the informant Mary Louisa's death registration. He had very good knowledge of his mother's life, especially as she had a number of partners and children who obviously kept in contact. I wonder if he knew the origins of his father - whether BOIK and LUCKING were actually the same person. I think he was only about 11 when his father died (assuming it's the chap who died 1899, which seems very likely)
Do you have any of the death/marriage certificates for any of her children - wondering how their father was listed on those certificates.
The only other thing I could suggest which might help is if you can get a copy of documents with signatures of both men and compare the handwriting. This will be difficult, if not impossible, as I don't think there is any way of seeing the actual register entries (UK) with original signatures. (My own marriage certificate, given to me on the day is only a transcription of the actual register entry)
Judith
Hi Judith,
Its funny you should mention the informant on Mary's death certificate. It looks like a H. Bussell, Authorised Agent, Brunswick Street, North Fitzroy. I would of assumed it would have been a relative but for some reason it is not.
I don't have any certificates for the other children other than Thomas Henry Boik marriage cert in 1909.
It states his name is Thomas Henry Boik Lucking and his parents are Fredrick John Lucking and Mary Louisa Betts. It also states that his father is a Iron Moulder which you would assume that he was still living at this time.
So his birth record states that the father is Thomas Henry Boik but the marriage says Fredrick John Lucking. Which makes me feel that they are possibly the same person.
On Ancestry, Martha Hannah's death record states the the father is Frederick John Lucking, whereas on Maude Frederica it states that it is Thomas Lucking.
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You have this certificate -
BDM NSW birth
9197 / 1887 BOIK Thomas H parents Thomas H / Mary L @ Newtown
It would ask for previous issue, meaning children born to this couple.
Can you please list all the information on this certificate, including name of informant, and place of birth for baby.
Date and place of birth: 17th July 1887 Camden Street, Newtown
Name: Thomas Henry
Father's name, occupation, age and birthplace: Thomas Henry Boik, Labourer, 33, London England.
Date and Place of Marriage - previous issue: 16th May 1875, London England, Non living 2 males 3 females decreased
Mother's name and maiden surname, age, birthplace: Mary Louisa Betts, 29, Woolwich England
Informant: Mary Louisa Boik Mother
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It states his name is Thomas Henry Boik Lucking and his parents are Fredrick John Lucking and Mary Louisa Betts.
Oh so it IS the same person then? :o I was wondering where that assumption had come from.
Unless they mixed and matched the names a bit :-\ Still not sure to be honest.
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It states his name is Thomas Henry Boik Lucking and his parents are Fredrick John Lucking and Mary Louisa Betts.
Oh so it IS the same person then? :o I was wondering where that assumption had come from.
Unless they mixed and matched the names a bit :-\ Still not sure to be honest.
Haha I am just not sure haha like you said there seems to be lots of mixed names. I think maybe a DNA test is the best next thing..