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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: pergamond on Tuesday 10 July 18 07:53 BST (UK)
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Now that I finally have details of Thomas's 1874 marriage, I know that his father was John Alcock, deceased, Tailor. It was an RC marriage in Preston, Lancaster County.
So far I have been unable to track John Alcock. Thomas was born in Hanley, Staffordshire, but lived in Preston. The only possible John Alcock from the 1851 census was a cordwainer (the others were publicans or bricklayers), which is loosely associated with sewing perhaps, albeit shoes. However his son Thomas was born in Leigh, Staffordshire, which looks to be not very close to Hanley which was the birthplace of my Thomas.
Any help gratefully received. :) (Not sure if I should be posting this in Staffordshire or Lancashire!)
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Who were the witnesses on Thomas's marriage
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How many young Thomas alcock did you locate in 1851?
Births Sep 1850 (>99%)
Alcock Thomas Cheadle 17 34
Alcock Thomas Stoke on T 17
Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Alcock Thomas Stoke on T. 17
Stoke should be the correct registration district
ALCOCK, THOMAS BALL Order
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 166
ALCOCK, THOMAS MARTIN Order
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 183
ALLCOCK, THOMAS SWETTENHAM Order
GRO Reference: 1850 J Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 17 Page 173
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Possible for Thomas:
Baptism at St Giles, Cheadle (Roman Catholic)
Thomas, son of Johannis and Maria Teresa Douglas - born 15 March 1849, baptised 18 March 1849.
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Have you found your Thomas Alcock in censuses before 1881?
I am wondering whether he changed his name. There is a tailor from Hanley named Thomas Campbell lodging at 11 Oxford Street, Preston in 1871. Same street as your Thomas in 1881.
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Alternative baptism for Thomas:
St Giles, Cheadle (Church of England)
8 September 1850 - son of John and Margaret Alcock of Tean Road. John is a Carrier.
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John was a tailor. The witnesses to Thomas Alcock's marriage to Ann Mulligan were Edwin Bebbington and Mary Mulligan. Mary was Ann Mulligan's older sister.
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It looks like Bebbington, but could be Bobbington.
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Shaun - Prior to the 1881 census I have only found Thomas's 1874 marriage. No census. The name change is an interesting idea. I was unable to find Thomas Campbell later in 1881.
Pauline - I could only find 2 possible births in the Stoke area, if that's Hanley. The Swettenham one I think may have been connected to the family of potters/gilders.
Bumble B - The RC baptism at St Giles in Cheadle may be a possibility but a bit far from Hanley?
Thanks so much everyone for trying to help.
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Possible for Thomas:
Baptism at St Giles, Cheadle (Roman Catholic)
Thomas, son of Johannis and Maria Teresa Douglas - born 15 March 1849, baptised 18 March 1849.
This couple are in Cheadle in 1851 that John was also a Carrier
HO107 /2009 f460 p26
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Might be a long shot but....
On the 1851 census for Wolviston, Durham
HO107; Piece: 2384; Folio: 68; Page: 37
there is a Thomas Alcock aged 8 months, grandson born in Staffordshire
at the home of William Bone aged 46
There is a daughter called Jemima Bone aged 21. I noticed one of Thomas Alcock's children is called Jemima
Chris
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I don't think this is a long shot. I have seen an Alcock family tree online which includes a Jemima Bone... thank you so much. I'll need to investigate this further.
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I noticed that although Jemima has the surname 'Bone' on the 1851 census entry, she did in fact marry a John Alcock in
1949 1849 in Stockton on Tees
Chris
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It looks like Jemima may have died in 1858
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I've found a John Alcock with wife Jemima and family in 1881, but John was a shipwright, and Jemima was born about 1836 in Sunderland, Durham. In the 1851 census Jemima was born about 1830 in Wolviston, Durham.
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I've looked for deaths for John Alcock prior to 1874, but none of the ones I found were tailors.
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If I ordered the 1849 marriage for John Alcock and Jemima Bone, is it likely to give the occupations?
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Yes, it should give you John's occupation, plus probably the occupations of the two fathers.
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Thanks for that Bumble. Wasn't sure if that was done back then. Ok then - in 3 more weeks I'll know if it's the correct person.
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Hopefully you will get some more information from the marriage certificate
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details of Thomas's 1874 marriage his father was John Alcock, deceased, Tailor.
So far I have been unable to track John Alcock.
The only possible John Alcock from the 1851 census was a cordwainer (the others were publicans or bricklayers), which is loosely associated with sewing perhaps, albeit shoes.
Could this be a possibility for his father John marital status looks to read mar (married)
1851 HO107; Piece: 2008; Folio: 679; Page: 26
John ALCOCK Mar 27 Macclesfield Cheshire journeyman tailor
Head Thomas Mottram Master Tailor & journeyman wife Sarah - John is not with them on 1861 census
EDIT - I wonder if this might be his baptism
John Alcock Baptism 14 Jul 1823 St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire
Father: Henry Alcock Mother: Sarah
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Might be a long shot but....
On the 1851 census for Wolviston, Durham
HO107; Piece: 2384; Folio: 68; Page: 37
there is a Thomas Alcock aged 8 months, grandson born in Staffordshire
at the home of William Bone aged 46
There is a daughter called Jemima Bone aged 21.
I noticed one of Thomas Alcock's children is called Jemima
I noticed that although Jemima has the surname 'Bone' on the 1851 census entry,
she did in fact marry a John Alcock in 1849 in Stockton on Tees
It looks like Jemima may have died in 1858
I think you could be right Chrissie
On that 1851 census Jemima's surname is dittoed and her marital status is noted as MAR (married)
Jemima Bone Baptism 22 Nov 1829 Wolviston, Durham
Father: William Bone Mother: Jane
FreeBMD has a postem by the 1849 marriage entry
Jemima Bone to John Alcock 28 October 1849, unfortunately no further details given
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Thanks for that Ladyhawk - yes, the 1849 marriage will be interesting when I receive it. Here's hoping we have the desired occupations. The journeyman tailor from Cheshire - there's something for me to look at, thank you! And thanks too Chrissie for the crucial Jemima link!