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Title: Adoption?
Post by: Helina on Monday 06 August 18 13:21 BST (UK)
Could these children been adopted?

Researching the Cresswell family

Francis Joseph Cresswell born 1822 Norfolk, married to Charlotte Frances Georgina Gough-Calthorpe, born 1824 in 1850

They seem to have 4 children

Charlotte Rachel Frederica Cresswell b 1851 Norfolk
George Francis Addison Cresswell b 1852       ditto
Edith Frances Louisa Cresswell b 1854            ditto
Cresswell Augustus Cresswell b 1856

Now the problems
According to the Gro Records
Charlotte's father was called Pitcher, mother Pye
George's father was Gunton, mother's surname was Hawkes

The 2 other children parents were Francis and Charlottes


Any help would be appreciated

helina
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 13:33 BST (UK)
Charlotte Rachel Pitcher’s birth was registered Mar qtr 1851 - have you found her as an infant in that census?
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 13:36 BST (UK)
Charlotte Pitcher seems to have remained with her mother Charlotte (who was remarried by 1861 to a John Wm Lane).  Henry Pye in the household too (as father in law to Mr Lane) seems to confirm this family corresponds to the Mar qtr 1851 birth registration.

1861: RG9/1218/77/18.
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 13:42 BST (UK)
These Cresswell children are in King’s Lynn in 1861 (parents absent):

Fredrica C E Cresswell 9 b London
Edith F L Cresswell 7 b King’s Lynn
George A F Cresswell 8 b London

plus 6 servants.

RG9/1255/105/34
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: mazi on Monday 06 August 18 13:45 BST (UK)
It is worth looking for birth announcements in newspaper archives, Mrs f j cresswell and the Hon Mrs cresswell birth notices in Norfolk for several children, maybe they did not register the first two

Mike
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: mazi on Monday 06 August 18 13:51 BST (UK)
Maybe they were actually born in a smart London maternity hospital.

Mike
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 13:53 BST (UK)
Baptism:

13 Aug 1851 at St Margaret’s, King’s Lynn

Charlotte Rachel Frederika Cresswell, dau of Francis Joseph (banker) & Charlotte Frances Georgiana, of King’s Staith Sq.
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: Dundee on Monday 06 August 18 13:54 BST (UK)
CRESSWELL, - (Male)
Mother's maiden surname: CALTHORPE      
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in KING'S LYNN  Volume 04B  Page 320

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 06 August 18 14:02 BST (UK)
BAPTISM;
St Margaret, Kings Lynn
Charlotte Rachel Frederika CRESSWELL 13 Aug 1851, abode King's Staith Square, Father a Banker
Parents Francis Joseph and   Charlotte Frances Georgiana

A Francis CRESSWELL married Rachel FRY 23 Aug 1821 All Saints, North Runcton
A FRANCIS Cresswell was Buried same Church 28 Mar 1861 age 71
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 14:05 BST (UK)

A Francis CRESSWELL married Rachel FRY 23 Aug 1821 All Saints, North Runcton
A FRANCIS Cresswell was Buried same Church 28 Mar 1861 age 71

These are likely to be Francis Joseph’s parents I think.

Added: yes this is confirmed by FJ and his brother Addison John Cresswell being executors of their father’s estate upon his death in 1861.
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: Dundee on Monday 06 August 18 14:18 BST (UK)

Francis Joseph Cresswell born 1822 Norfolk


According to the 1861 census he was born in Kent.

Francis Joseph CRESSWELL
Christening Date    21 Nov 1822
Christening Place    SAINT MARY,LEWISHAM,KENT,ENGLAND
Father's Name    Francis Cresswell
Mother's Name    Rachel Elizabeth

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYNF-DGQ

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 14:21 BST (UK)
CRESSWELL, - (Male)
Mother's maiden surname: CALTHORPE      
GRO Reference: 1852  S Quarter in KING'S LYNN  Volume 04B  Page 320

Debra  :)

He was born “Sunday last” according to the Norfolk Chronicle of 28 Aug 1852 - so born 22 August.

“Sunday last, at King’s Lynn, in this county, the Hon Mrs F. J. Cresswell, of a son.”
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 06 August 18 14:24 BST (UK)
Yes I realised that was likely of Francis 1822's Parents but thanks for clarifying for others

2 more Marriages Kings Lynn

Edith Frances Louisa CRESSWELL
Charles Edward THORNYCROFT
21 Apr 1875

Kathleen Laura Alicia GURNEY
Creswell Augustus CRESSWELL
2 Jun 1893
Edith has Fathers as Francis Joseph C, Esquire
Creswell as Francis Joseph C, Banker, deceased


Another Marriage West Winch, Norfolk;
29 Jun 1882
Harriet Louisa Eva GURNEY
George Francis Addison CRESSWELL, Widr, 29, Banker, Father Francis Joseph C, Banker

FreeREG
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: Helina on Monday 06 August 18 17:43 BST (UK)
Looks like Charlotte Rachel b 1851 was registered Rachel Charlotte, that is according to ancestry. Thank you for all your help

helina
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: avm228 on Monday 06 August 18 18:23 BST (UK)
Looks like Charlotte Rachel b 1851 was registered Rachel Charlotte, that is according to ancestry.

I’m not seeing such a registration  ???
Title: Re: Adoption?
Post by: Helina on Monday 06 August 18 18:32 BST (UK)
Wrong year reg in 1891, back to the drawing board

helina