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Title: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: norh on Monday 20 August 18 20:06 BST (UK)
Hi folks,
A friend has asked if any info could be found about Martha Mussen Collins.
She was born mid 1800`s Longfield, Desertmartin Co Derry
Thanks,
Noreen
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Monday 20 August 18 20:19 BST (UK)
Religion?
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Monday 20 August 18 20:20 BST (UK)
Did she do anything in Ireland?   Marry?  for example
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: norh on Monday 20 August 18 20:39 BST (UK)
H hallmark
The only other information they have is she was Presbyterian and thought to have been a nurse at Royal Victoria Belfast. They dont know if she married
Thanks
Noreen
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 20 August 18 20:41 BST (UK)
There's a Martha W. Collins married Alexander Mussen mentioned in this thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=434179.18
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Monday 20 August 18 21:26 BST (UK)
H hallmark
The only other information they have is she was Presbyterian and thought to have been a nurse at Royal Victoria Belfast. They dont know if she married
Thanks
Noreen


No problem!

Only 2 on 1901 Census...no match!
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 20 August 18 22:24 BST (UK)
This Martha Mussen Collins was 10 years old in 1911- born Co. Derry but living Co. Tyrone-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Tullaghoge/Grange/860037
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003428566/

Born just after 1901 census at Longfield-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01958/1755870.pdf
Died 1919 age 17-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05153/4421086.pdf
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: norh on Monday 20 August 18 23:39 BST (UK)
Aghadowey thanks for all this information. It is the correct family and my friend is delighted.
Noreen
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 21 August 18 08:24 BST (UK)
Your date of mid-1800's was very misleading!
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 21 August 18 10:16 BST (UK)
Even more annoying is the fact that googling 'martha mussen collins' easily finds the earlier RC thread  ::)
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 21 August 18 10:20 BST (UK)
Even more annoying is the fact that googling 'martha mussen collins' easily finds the earlier RC thread  ::)


Is there another thread already??
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 21 August 18 11:38 BST (UK)
There's a Martha W. Collins married Alexander Mussen mentioned in this thread-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=434179.18
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 21 August 18 16:16 BST (UK)
There is probably relevant stuff there!
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 21 August 18 16:17 BST (UK)
Lots there which is how I found the family. As I said, very easily found via Google.
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: norh on Tuesday 21 August 18 16:46 BST (UK)
Apologies Aghadowey & hallmark. I provided the information I was given, naturally I didnt intend it to be misleading and I never thought of doing a Google search! Ive been dipping in and out of research for a while and am continually learning. Many thanks anyway despite the hassle. Much appreciated.
Noreen
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: Jackie line on Sunday 26 August 18 20:50 BST (UK)
Martha Collins who married into Mussen family - did she have children and was she a nurse?
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 26 August 18 21:04 BST (UK)
Martha Collins married 1899 to Alexander Mussen- no occupation given- LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10387/5782134.pdf)

Hi Dave,
I have Martha W. Collins marrying Alexander Mussen 20 Aug 1899 Largy P, Limavady. She must have died soon after as Alexander is found remarrying in the US in 1902. Do you have any records of her death or any other Mussen family information.
Thank you!  G.
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 26 August 18 21:11 BST (UK)
What is the connection between  Martha Mussen Collins born mid 1800`s Longfield, Desertmartin Co Derry and the one that was 10 years old in 1911??
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 26 August 18 21:12 BST (UK)
What is the connection between  Martha Mussen Collins born mid 1800`s Longfield, Desertmartin Co Derry and the one that was 10 years old in 1911??

Have you read the other thread?
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 26 August 18 21:17 BST (UK)
No.
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: Jackie line on Monday 27 August 18 21:13 BST (UK)
I think Martha Mussen Collins  from Long field is Martha Mussen neice.
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: hallmark on Monday 27 August 18 22:01 BST (UK)
I think Martha Mussen Collins  from Long field is Martha Mussen neice.

OK, cheers.
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: norh on Tuesday 28 August 18 10:44 BST (UK)
Hello Jackie Line.
I am told Martha was indeed a nurse in Royal hospital Belfast. No further information on this though.
Noreen
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: Jackie line on Tuesday 28 August 18 19:28 BST (UK)
Did Martha Mussen have any children?
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 29 August 18 21:44 BST (UK)
Which Martha Mussen?
Title: Re: Martha Mussen Collins Born mid 1800
Post by: Mabus on Friday 01 April 22 11:22 BST (UK)
Martha Mussen Collins, born 14 May 1901, Longfield, Desertmartin parish, died 22 April 1919, Grange, Cookstown. Her parents where John Witherow Collins of Longfield and Agnes Smyth, daughter of Alexander Smyth of Grange, Cookstown. They married at Cookstown 2nd Presbyterian on 31 Oct 1899.

John Witherow Collins was born 12 Nov 1868, Longfield, to Stewart Collins (c1840-1893) of Longfield and Mary Crosset (c1839-1879), daughter of Richard Crosset of Coolshinney, Magherafelt. Stewart and Mary married on 4 Jun 1867, Magherafelt Presbyterian Church.

Stewart Collins was born around 1840 to John Collins (c1799-1881) of Longfield and a Martha (c1803-1889), and died on 9 Jan 1893, Longfield. According to someone else on this site John Collins was the son of John Collins and Mary Witherow. John's likely father was a James Collins of Longfield (c1760-1851).

I will add that the John Collins and Martha and John Collins and Mary Witherow information gleaned from the other thread linked to already in this discussion is quite suspect and I have reason to believe that John and Martha and John and Mary Witherow are the same people. Or that instead of John and Mary Witherow it should be James and Mary. It is quite confusing and we'll probably never find out.