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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Graveyards and Gravestones => Topic started by: cupcake on Saturday 25 August 18 08:36 BST (UK)
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I was wondering if anyone can help me with a burial at Ealing & Old Brentford Cemetery. Seymour J MOYISE was buried there.
The burial date was 26 November 1946:
Cemetery Section - Ground Pp. Division (no idea what Pp means)
Grave No. 20d
Internment 178
Would like to know if her sons Anthony and John are buried with her as they died about the same time.
cupcake
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You could Google and then email the cemetery concerned
Louisa Maud
PS, 3 deaths all registered same quarter 1946
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You could Google and then email the cemetery concerned
Louisa Maud
PS, 3 deaths all registered same quarter 1946
I have contacted the cemetery and they say their records are held on Ancestry and if I have a copy ( which I do) taken from their records - they can't give anymore information.
Yes, very sad a mother and two sons deaths.
cupcake
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I have used this website in the past- they do charge £10 for any further info though.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/burial_help.shtml
And a layout of where the plots are.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/plan_sealing.shtml
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Is she likely to have a gravestone? If so you could make a memorial for her on findagrave.com and put in a photo request.
This is the cemetery on findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/880537/south-ealing-cemetery
There is a plan of the cemetery in the photos on the cemetery page.
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Comes up with no name of Moyise,
Do you think she has private grave
Louisa Maud
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I have used this website in the past- they do charge £10 for any further info though.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/burial_help.shtml
And a layout of where the plots are.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/plan_sealing.shtml
If I didn't live so far away I would be able to go to the cemetery. Thank you for the layout showing where the plots are. She is in Pp Division where ever that is.
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Is she likely to have a gravestone? If so you could make a memorial for her on findagrave.com and put in a photo request.
This is the cemetery on findagrave https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/880537/south-ealing-cemetery
There is a plan of the cemetery in the photos on the cemetery page.
Shall look at the address you have given me.
I don't know if she is likely to have a headstone. I was hoping she had and, her boys being with her.
Her husband remarried in 1950 and died 1983 at Kingston upon Thames.
Just another one of life's mysteries.
Thank you
cupcake
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Comes up with no name of Moyise,
Do you think she has private grave
Louisa Maud
I have no idea whether she has a private grave. I wonder why she would have a private grave. Haven't come across one in all of my searches.
As I said her husband re-married in 1950 and died in 1983 at Kingston upon Thames, so, he won't be buried with her.
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It has occurred to me that if these 2 little ones were buried at a different time to their mother they might well have been buried with another female, as yet you don't know if it is a private grave so this is speculation on my part, I did notice they all have the same ref no at ONS, possibly all registered around if not the same day
Louisa Maud
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If you look at the cemetery plan that I provided earlier.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/plan_sealing.shtml
You will see that PP is in the top right ,looks as though it's right on the boundary of the cemetery.
I would imagine with it having 2 letters it is in a more recent area of the land
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It has occurred to me that if these 2 little ones were buried at a different time to their mother they might well have been buried with another female, as yet you don't know if it is a private grave so this is speculation on my part, I did notice they all have the same ref no at ONS, possibly all registered around if not the same day
Louisa Maud
Yes I understand they may have been buried at a different time. Will know more once I get the certificates. It is speculation at the moment.
Can I ask what ONS means :-\
When I get the certs I shall let you all know what information they give.
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ONS= Office for National Statistics.
It looks as though she died in childbirth- or soon after and so did her twins.
It must have been a horrendous time for her husband to be burying all 3 of them.
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ONS= Office for National Statistics.
It looks as though she died in childbirth- or soon after and so did her twins.
It must have been a horrendous time for her husband to be burying all 3 of them.
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ONS= Office for National Statistics.
It looks as though she died in childbirth- or soon after and so did her twins.
It must have been a horrendous time for her husband to be burying all 3 of them.
Thank you for that.
I did wonder if she had died in childbirth. Yes, it must have been a devastating time for him.
Seymore J MOYISE married John S W MOYISE in 1940. Their fist child was born in 1943 Removed MOYISE.
cupcake
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ONS= Office for National Statistics.
It looks as though she died in childbirth- or soon after and so did her twins.
It must have been a horrendous time for her husband to be burying all 3 of them.
Thank you for that.
I did wonder if she had died in childbirth. Yes, it must have been a devastating time for him.
Seymore J MOYISE married John S W MOYISE in 1940. Their fist child was born in 1943 a boyMOYISE.
cupcake
Her maiden name was Kidman. Rootschat's rules say that anyone who is still living must not be named here.
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Yes it was. Just thinking it must have been a sad time for her Mother & father, too to lose a daughter so young. In 1939 she was a shorthand typist.
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If you look at the cemetery plan that I provided earlier.
http://www.bhsproject.co.uk/plan_sealing.shtml
You will see that PP is in the top right ,looks as though it's right on the boundary of the cemetery.
I would imagine with it having 2 letters it is in a more recent area of the land
Yes I can see the PP quite clearly on the map you kindly sent me. That's as near as I'll get to the cemetery and I do hope she has a headstone :'(.
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From cemetery plan Carol kindly sent me it shows the PP area where Seymore J Moyise is buried and quite near Popes Lane.
I was wondering if someone could visit the cemetery for me and look for me - until then, I won't know either way?
Any help will be very much appreciated
cupcake
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You need to find out if there's a headstone first,not much point anyone visiting an overgrown area of grass :)
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I was very lucky recently, I was looking with a relative for an old grave in Willesden Lane Kilburn, we couldn't find a stone, we had the details but as we walked away we saw it propped up against the next one but to the back, it was a very small one, it dated back to 1925, it was very emotional to be honest and it was only persistence that we found it, this cemetery is kept very well, some stones are against walls or propped up as they have fallen, it was a very rewarding afternoon.
Louisa Maud
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I was very lucky recently, I was looking with a relative for an old grave in Willesden Lane Kilburn, we couldn't find a stone, we had the details but as we walked away we saw it propped up against the next one but to the back, it was a very small one, it dated back to 1925, it was very emotional to be honest and it was only persistence that we found it, this cemetery is kept very well, some stones are against walls or propped up as they have fallen, it was a very rewarding afternoon.
Louisa Maud
Yes you were very fortunate to find it and can imagine you would be emotional. If the cemetery wasn't so far away I would look myself. Just thinking about Seymour makes me sad.
I have searched many cemeteries for myself and others and gone in blind (so to speak) with no idea whether there was headstone, sometimes grass knee high. I remember finding one for someone in New Zealand.
PS. I am trying to find out whether there was an Obituary for Seymour - might give me some answers.
cupcake
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I think that given time a Rootschatter will look for you, taking along secateurs !!, wish I was nearer to London myself
Good Luck
Louisa Maud
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I think that given time a Rootschatter will look for you, taking along secateurs !!, wish I was nearer to London myself
Good Luck
Louisa Maud
Thank you.
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Have been in touch with London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham Libraries & Archives to see if there was an Obituary. There isn't one.
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Have been in touch with London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham Libraries & Archives to see if there was an Obituary. There isn't one.
It's fairly rare for anyone in the UK to have an obituary in the local paper today,so would have been even more unlikely in 1946 only a year after the war had finished.
Her husband would have had to have had quite a bit of money to pay for one.
Together with the cost of the funeral and a toddler to look after too.
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Have been in touch with London Borough of Hammersmith & Fulham Libraries & Archives to see if there was an Obituary. There isn't one.
It's fairly rare for anyone in the UK to have an obituary in the local paper today,so would have been even more unlikely in 1946 only a year after the war had finished.
Her husband would have had to have had quite a bit of money to pay for one.
Together with the cost of the funeral and a toddler to look after too.
I do appreciate what you are saying. Had been thinking about the financial side of things and must have been extremely difficult for the father to deal with. Perhaps he didn’t like to ask Seymour’s father for help.
cupcake
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If the weather is not inclement I will try to look for you on Saturday.
I've just spoken with the cemetery's office (a rare thing these days with call centres) and I know where to head to with regards to the plot and row number. All the headstones have the plot numbers on the back so if there is a headstone, it should be easy to find.
The woman at the office did not volunteer to check for a headstone and I didn't like to ask in case it incurred a charge.
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If the weather is not inclement I will try to look for you on Saturday.
I've just spoken with the cemetery's office (a rare thing these days with call centres) and I know where to head to with regards to the plot and row number. All the headstones have the plot numbers on the back so if there is a headstone, it should be easy to find.
The woman at the office did not volunteer to check for a headstone and I didn't like to ask in case it incurred a charge.
Thank you for contacting the cemetery's office and giving you the information. It is a good thing the headstones having the plot numbers on the back. They probably would have incurred a charge if they had volunteered to check for a headstone.
Do appreciate your kind offer of trying to look for me, weather permitting.
Kind regards
cupcake
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Just to keep you all informed - Have just received the babies death certificates.
They died on the 20th. November 1946 at West London Hospital. Anthony and John lived for 1 hour. Their mother was buried on the 26 November 1946. Still waiting for her death cert.
Their father, John Stanley William MOYISE was a Retail Bread Salesman. Seymour's father Thomas Randolf KIDMAN was a Master Baker and confectioner. Wonder if there was a connection to their bussiness.
cupcake
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Cause of death.
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Oh dear how sad, they were obviously premature babies
I hope it is a nice day for Dawn to look for you, keeping it all crossed CP and I am not a pretty face with crossed eyes
Good Luck
LM
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You might well be able to get the details of these births from West London Hospital, I was a twin being born not expected to live, I did manage to get the details but I had to send my birth cert, my parents marriage cert and her death cert, BUT, because I didn't at the time get my brothers permission he wasn't mentioned but he was born a healthy young chap.
I feel this is very sad
Louisa Maud
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Oh my goodness me, I have found John and Joan Moyise (nee Bennett) on ER's living in Shirland Road, Paddington, I passed along the length of this road walking to school
Wonder if he had a bakers in that area?
Louisa Maud
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Oh dear how sad, they were obviously premature babies
I hope it is a nice day for Dawn to look for you, keeping it all crossed CP and I am not a pretty face with crossed eyes
Good Luck
LM
Yes, I too wish Dawn a pleasant day. Can't imagine anyone with crossed eyes(made me laugh at the very thought, though)
Thank you.
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Oh my goodness me, I have found John and Joan Moyise (nee Bennett) on ER's living in Shirland Road, Paddington, I passed along the length of this road walking to school
Wonder if he had a bakers in that area?
Louisa Maud
Yes, John S W MOYISE re-married in 1950. (A little down memory Lane for you).
Spooky, as I was just thinking the same thing. More searching I think.
1939 Seymour's father Thomas Randolf KIDMAN lived at 8 Southfield Road, ACTON, Middlesex and states he was a Master Baker & Confectioner. Did he have a shop ? That would be interesting.
cupcake
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I have been following this thread and wondered about the address on the d/c. Do you know if this was the family's address?
As it is on the high street I wondered if it might have been a baker's shop?
It is currently shops with accommodation above and would have been the same in 46 I imagine.
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You might well be able to get the details of these births from West London Hospital, I was a twin being born not expected to live, I did manage to get the details but I had to send my birth cert, my parents marriage cert and her death cert, BUT, because I didn't at the time get my brothers permission he wasn't mentioned but he was born a healthy young chap.
I feel this is very sad
Louisa Maud
Their births are on GRO. Still waiting to hear from GRO regarding Seymour's death cert.
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I have been following this thread and wondered about the address on the d/c. Do you know if this was the family's address?
As it is on the high street I wondered if it might have been a baker's shop?
It is currently shops with accommodation above and would have been the same in 46 I imagine.
Yes, it appears to be. On the death certificate above the father's name is has:
Signature, Description and Residence of Informant.
You could be right, as you say it being currently shops with accommodation above and would have been the same in 46 I imagine.
Interesting.
Thank you
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I think that number 17 might have been on the left half of Moss Bros:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mmo/
A good map with contemporary numbering:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=51.5129&lon=-0.3055&layers=170&right=BingHyb
Presumably the "A" refers to the first floor.
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I think that number 17 might have been on the left half of Moss Bros:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mmo/
A good map with contemporary numbering:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=51.5129&lon=-0.3055&layers=170&right=BingHyb
Presumably the "A" refers to the first floor.
The maps are excellent. Many thanks.
I suppose John AS W Moyise being a Retail Bread Salesman would possibily have the shop.
Here is a another question - his father -in-law Thoams R KIDMAN was a Master Baker & Confectioner. In 1939 he lived at 8 Southfied Road, Acton, Middlesex and was wondering if the shop, could have been his and, his son-in-law lived above it.
Perhaps I am well out as far as places go.
cupcake
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On closer inspection of the first map it looks as if the shop SWAMI Express is 15.
cupcake
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Well cupcake, I have eyes crossed, legs crossed, everything crossed for nice weather for Dawn on Sunday, I will have to stay in over weekend, can't go out looking like this, can I ?
Louisa Maud
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Well cupcake, I have eyes crossed, legs crossed, everything crossed for nice weather for Dawn on Sunday, I will have to stay in over weekend, can't go out looking like this, can I ?
Louisa Maud
Is it not tomorrow Dawn goes. In deed you can't go out looking like that ;D
cc.
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On closer inspection of the first map it looks as if the shop SWAMI Express is 15.
cupcake
I'm not sure cupcake.
The 60's looking section containing Nationwide may be bomb damage replacement (or just a poor planning decision). Firstly I counted up from the small alleyway you can see on the map, but because on street view it is not obvious where that is, probably due to the rebuild I mentioned, I counted the "house" numbers back from the corner of Bond Street. That was how I decided that 17 was Moss Bros. I could have got that wrong though. :)
Wherever it was, you get an idea of the building and the area, and very nice it is too. :)
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I think it is very possible that no.17 was Thomas Kidman's baker's shop. (It was my first thought).
As you can see, 8 Southfield Road is purely residential so he must have worked from a shop somewhere. The houses on Southfield are lovely and the area looks to be fairly affluent now as it would have been in the 30s.
I wonder if there are any trade directories or newspaper advertisements which may help you find Kidman's bakery and when and where it was? .
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I think it is very possible that no.17 was Thomas Kidman's baker's shop. (It was my first thought).
As you can see, 8 Southfield Road is purely residential so he must have worked from a shop somewhere. The houses on Southfield are lovely and the area looks to be fairly affluent now as it would have been in the 30s.
I wonder if there are any trade directories or newspaper advertisements which may help you find Kidman's bakery and when and where it was? .
Great minds think alike.
I thought perhaps he would have had a bussiness somewhere, but not sure how far from his home, No 17, West Broadway Ealing would be. And, I still think his son-in-law John Moyise worked for him and John & Seymour lived above the shop.
That would be great to find any trade directory or newspaper advertisements which could confirm if and where his Bakers shop was.
Thank you.
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Acton to Ealing is a couple of miles, so it would be possible to walk and people did walk more in those days .... however, being a baker, and if he had his own shop, would you think that he might have a truck or van (or cart?)? (for deliveries etc)
It also depends on the time line. He lived in Southfield Road in 1939, but where did he live in 1946 when John lived in Ealing?
I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
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I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
Not between 1939 and 1946 when the government had other things on its mind.
London is sunny this morning so after I've done some chores (the washing machine is already on) I'll trundle off and have a look.
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Acton to Ealing is a couple of miles, so it would be possible to walk and people did walk more in those days .... however, being a baker, and if he had his own shop, would you think that he might have a truck or van (or cart?)? (for deliveries etc)
It also depends on the time line. He lived in Southfield Road in 1939, but where did he live in 1946 when John lived in Ealing?
I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
Thank you for the information.
Now, I don't know where he lived in 1946 but between 1956 and 1964 (the year he died) I beleive he was living at 11 Crown Road, Frier Barnet, Middlesex.
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I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
Not between 1939 and 1946 when the government had other things on its mind.
London is sunny this morning so after I've done some chores (the washing machine is already on) I'll trundle off and have a look.
I realise the Government would have more important things on their mind.
The glorious weather has gone from here wet and miserable.
I do appreciate you taking up your time to look for me. Have a safe and pleasant drive.
cupcake
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I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
Not between 1939 and 1946 when the government had other things on its mind.
London is sunny this morning so after I've done some chores (the washing machine is already on) I'll trundle off and have a look.
;) Of course. I didn't think of that Dawn. :)
Good luck with the grave search.
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Happy Hunting Dawn, can't wait to find the outcome of this
Beautiful day here
Louisa Maud
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Happy Hunting Dawn, can't wait to find the outcome of this
Beautiful day here
Louisa Maud
Please send some sunshine up north.
cc
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I wonder if electoral rolls might help trace their movements?
Not between 1939 and 1946 when the government had other things on its mind.
London is sunny this morning so after I've done some chores (the washing machine is already on) I'll trundle off and have a look.
;) Of course. I didn't think of that Dawn. :)
Good luck with the grave search.
Yes, good luck with your search Dawn - will give me closure, either way.
cc
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On closer inspection of the first map it looks as if the shop SWAMI Express is 15.
cupcake
I'm not sure cupcake.
The 60's looking section containing Nationwide may be bomb damage replacement (or just a poor planning decision). Firstly I counted up from the small alleyway you can see on the map, but because on street view it is not obvious where that is, probably due to the rebuild I mentioned, I counted the "house" numbers back from the corner of Bond Street. That was how I decided that 17 was Moss Bros. I could have got that wrong though. :)
Wherever it was, you get an idea of the building and the area, and very nice it is too. :)
I would certainly think you have a much better idea, than me. But as you say I get an idea of the building and area. Definitely very nice :)
Perhaps one day, I'll find out more ,regarding the Bakery bussiness.
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Coincidentally, just walked past the cemetery on the way back from watching the mighty Brentford FC.
Thought I saw someone matching the photo in Dawn's profile so waved and wished her good luck.
Got a blank response tho :(
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Well Steve, perhaps her parents told her not to speak to strange men !!!!
Louisa Maud
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:D
Can't see Dawn talking to a Brentford Supporter of whatever stature.
Mind you Brentford do seem to be playing well at the mo.
Hope it's not a "Flash" in the pan. 8)
Ray
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For cupcake
The plot is unmarked, but I took photos of the area which I will email to you if you send your email addy by pm.
For steviesteve and others (I will split off the banter after a reply from cupcake)
I heard the roar of the football match several times from the tranquility of the headstones. Sorry I missed you unless you were dressed as a woman pushing a pram, were riding a bike listening to very loud music or part of a small gang of lads skateboarding through from Popes Lane.
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For cupcake
The plot is unmarked, but I took photos of the area which I will email to you if you send your email addy by pm.
For steviesteve and others (I will split off the banter after a reply from cupcake)
I heard the roar of the football match several times from the tranquility of the headstones. Sorry I missed you unless you were dressed as a woman pushing a pram, were riding a bike listening to very loud music or part of a small gang of lads skateboarding through from Popes Lane.
Most grateful to you for doing the headstone search.The plot may be unmarked but I will now know the area, where she is buried. Have sent you a PM with my email address.
Enjoying the banter. Your reply to steviesteve and others is very good , made me laugh ;D.
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I think it is very possible that no.17 was Thomas Kidman's baker's shop. (It was my first thought).
As you can see, 8 Southfield Road is purely residential so he must have worked from a shop somewhere. The houses on Southfield are lovely and the area looks to be fairly affluent now as it would have been in the 30s.
I wonder if there are any trade directories or newspaper advertisements which may help you find Kidman's bakery and when and where it was? .
First of all the above number of house/building above, should be 89.
Was at the library and got access to Ancestry intending looking for Burial Registers but not knowing my way around it, didn't get anything. Will have to make another visit.
However, don't know how it happened,I ended up with a Street Directory for 1941 giving me 89 Southfield Road, Acton,W4 and there wasThomas R Kidman - Baker.
From what I can make out he was at this address from 1939/1941 - then don't know where he was. The war may have had something to do with.
1949 he was in Finchley, Friern Barnet (he would have been 60 yrs by then and perhaps retired) 1953/1964 he was at 11 Crown Court, Friern, Barnet where he died in 1964.
So I think we can say, he had his own business.
cupcake
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Where did you originally get the number "8" from cupcake?
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This is Number 89 Southfield Road (now a doctor's surgery):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mn8/
Referring back to the map I posted previously:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=51.5026&lon=-0.2605&layers=170&right=BingHyb
You can see that No 89 is on a corner and likely to have been a shop. :) You can see that the property has an additional building behind "the shop" (viewable on google street view from Strauss Road) which looks to have been accommodation and bakery, ovens etc.
(I am using my imagination a bit with that assumption.) :)
Look at the building at number 75 Southfield Road, on the corner of Bonheur Road. It looks to be fairly original and untainted http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mn9/ .
The old map indicates that the buildings at No 89 and No 75 are identical with slight differences to the buildings behind/alongside the shops.
I think that your Bakery at no 89 would have looked very similar to this.
:)
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This is Number 89 Southfield Road (now a doctor's surgery):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mn8/
Referring back to the map I posted previously:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=19&lat=51.5026&lon=-0.2605&layers=170&right=BingHyb
You can see that No 89 is on a corner and likely to have been a shop. :) You can see that the property has an additional building behind "the shop" (viewable on google street view from Strauss Road) which looks to have been accommodation and bakery, ovens etc.
(I am using my imagination a bit with that assumption.) :)
Look at the building at number 75 Southfield Road, on the corner of Bonheur Road. It looks to be fairly original and untainted http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mn9/ .
The old map indicates that the buildings at No 89 and No 75 are identical with slight differences to the buildings behind/alongside the shops.
I think that your Bakery at no 89 would have looked very similar to this.
:)
Looking at the map you previously posted 75 and 89 do appear the same corner shape. And, I see the added on building at 89.
Thank you for photo of 75 Southfield Road, on the corner of Bonheur Road. I agree with you it looks to be fairly original and untainted.
I think my Bakery at No 89 would have looked very similar. (I like you using your imagination a bit with that assumption. :D)
Does give me a better picture of where Thomas and his family lived and that he did have his own Bakers. There certainly looked enough room for them all.
Once again many thanks.
cupcake
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I just want to add here that I have been in touch with cupcake off-forum.
I visited the grave on Saturday, it is now unmarked.
I did lay a bunch of flowers as a token of respect.
It has since come to light that despite the cemetery office claims that the transcriptions and images online at Ancestry are a true reflection of their holdings, this is not the case.
In trying to correctly identify the plot there are headstones with inscriptions for which there are not transcriptions but the information does appear in actual burial register images.
It is also noted that in this case, the register image is not available. I have contacted the office and received a copy from them of the missing image.
The burial register confirms that Seymour is buried with her babies and that an inscribed vase was placed as a marker.
The cemetery office may try to contact Ancestry with regards to the missing images and missing transriptions but as with other datasets I wouldn't hold my breath for them to be added anytime soon.
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Oh Dawn, what good news for cupcake, I am sure will be overwhelmed, she wanted to find them altogether, your persistence paid off
Louisa Maud
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I just want to add here that I have been in touch with cupcake off-forum.
I visited the grave on Saturday, it is now unmarked.
I did lay a bunch of flowers as a token of respect.
It has since come to light that despite the cemetery office claims that the transcriptions and images online at Ancestry are a true reflection of their holdings, this is not the case.
In trying to correctly identify the plot there are headstones with inscriptions for which there are not transcriptions but the information does appear in actual burial register images.
It is also noted that in this case, the register image is not available. I have contacted the office and received a copy from them of the missing image.
The burial register confirms that Seymour is buried with her babies and that an inscribed vase was placed as a marker.
The cemetery office may try to contact Ancestry with regards to the missing images and missing transriptions but as with other datasets I wouldn't hold my breath for them to be added anytime soon.
This has been an emotional conclusion. With grateful thanks for everything you have done Dawn.
cupcake
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Received information on Monday regarding Michael R Kidman's death in 2001
Michael was Seymour's only brother, and would have been 16 years old at the time of her death.
He died in Bangor, Caernarvon, Wales 2001 He is buried with his wife Mary. So, I have been most fortunate this week, to get brother and sister death details.
cupcake
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Good all round results then Cupcake, been an interesting conclusion
Louisa Maud
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Where did you originally get the number "8" from cupcake?
From the 1939 )? on Ancestry. Perhaps I wrote 8 down instead of 89. I am just finding my way around Ancestry which I get access to at my local library.
cupcake
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Where did you originally get the number "8" from cupcake?
From the 1939 )? on Ancestry. Perhaps I wrote 8 down instead of 89. I am just finding my way around Ancestry which I get access to at my local library.
cupcake
Could be an error cupcake. No matter - the number 89 seems to be the correct one.
I am glad you have found everyone you are looking for. (excellent work Dawn) :)
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Where did you originally get the number "8" from cupcake?
From the 1939 )? on Ancestry. Perhaps I wrote 8 down instead of 89. I am just finding my way around Ancestry which I get access to at my local library.
cupcake
Could be an error cupcake. No matter - the number 89 seems to be the correct one.
I am glad you have found everyone you are looking for. (excellent work Dawn) :)
Yes I am so pleased with everyone helps Dawn deserves a Gold star.
Just wanted to add this that I found on the 1911 census on Ancestry:
Thomas R KIDMAN was a Boarder - Station Road, Corsham
Stayed with;
Wm. Goddard
Jane Goddard
Dorothy Jane 20
Thomas R KIDMAN 22 Occupation - Confectioner
So he was a confectioner when he was 22 yrs.
He married Dorothy Jane Goddard
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Have a question regarding John S W Moyise - baptisim at the Parish of Stephen the Martyr,London . Can't quite make out the name of the road. I see his father was a butler.
cupcake
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Oh dear how sad, they were obviously premature babies
I hope it is a nice day for Dawn to look for you, keeping it all crossed CP and I am not a pretty face with crossed eyes
Good Luck
LM
Eventually got Seymour's death certificate. She may have been able to deliver the babies or, perhaps known she had twins, before she passed away.
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How very sad Cupcake, times were difficult in times gone by to deal with these situations, thank God things have progressed
Louisa Maud
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The burial register confirms that Seymour is buried with her babies and that an inscribed vase was placed as a marker.
Cemetery authorities have a habit of moving aside vases and the miniature headstones frequently used on common graves to make it easier to mow the grass. I don't know E&OB, but at Acton, also managed by Ealing Council, rows of these have been put alongside the boundary walls or placed together in groups. At least they haven't been dumped, so it might be worth hunting around, albeit a tedious operation and the inscriptions on vases tend to be on the bases and now buried. Happy hunting!
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It's not a common grave though, Chris, the vase is most probably lost in the passage of time.
Many of the graves in the area are without markers or headstones. Lack of family finnces in the 1930's/1940's?
I wouldn't say the council have cleared this section at the very back of the cemetery, it's fairly tidy although there are currently plenty of fallen leaves, generally little in the way of lush grass, mainly weedy. I would imagine the grounds staff are pretty nifty with leaf blowers.