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Title: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 15:21 BST (UK)
Please can anyone find (or advise me where to find) the details of a burial.

Joseph JAMES died (?28 August) 1931 and was buried in Reading Cemetery.

I know about Joseph's life and family, but what I haven't managed to find is the grave number and whether or not there was a gravestone.

I've tried findagrave, billiongraves, familysearch and others, but no luck so far.

Philip
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: Jebber on Wednesday 05 September 18 15:40 BST (UK)
I suggest the obvious thing  to do is contact that department of the local authority.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 05 September 18 15:59 BST (UK)
Hi Philip,
 This one's from FMPast.
Joseph JAMES

Burial date   02 Sep 1931
Church:   London Rd Cemetery (consecrated)
Place :   Reading

Was he the one in the institution?(That was this person's last given address.).

Don't know if this will help:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=625938.0

Best,
Maureen
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:17 BST (UK)
I suggest the obvious thing  to do is contact that department of the local authority.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records

Jebber
- that link is for applying for Service Records from the Ministry of Defence.

(ADDED) I have now found http://www.reading.gov.uk/ with a link to "Burial and cremation register searches" - so I clicked on it and got "Page not found"

This is not going to be as simple as I had hoped!  :(

Philip

Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:23 BST (UK)
Hi Philip,
 This one's from FMPast.
Joseph JAMES

Burial date   02 Sep 1931
Church:   London Rd Cemetery (consecrated)
Place :   Reading

Was he the one in the institution?(That was this person's last given address.).

Don't know if this will help:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=625938.0

Best,
Maureen

Many thanks, Maureen.  I didn't have the burial date, or the "London Road Cemetery" so that's a big step forward.

The old thread on Rootschat had a dead link to the cemetery website, but now I have the proper cemetery name I'm off to go g00gling again to track down the grave number.

Philip

(ps - yes he was in Broadmoor!  http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/womersley.html gives the reason)
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: MaureeninNY on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:35 BST (UK)
 ;) ;)

Maureen
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: Jebber on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:44 BST (UK)
Sorry about that I didnít notice a previous long had copied instead of the intended on, blameit on being woosey from a heavy cold.

This  is what was intended.

cem.crem@reading.gov.uk
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:46 BST (UK)
Sorry about that I didnít notice a previous long had copied instead of the intended on, blameit on being woosey from a heavy cold.

This  is what was intended.

cem.crem@reading.gov.uk

Get well soon, friend.

Many thanks for the new link - I'll send an e-mail and see what comes of it.

Philip
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 05 September 18 16:58 BST (UK)
If he died whilst in the care of the authorities, I would venture to suggest he is most probably in a common grave without a headstone

Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 17:07 BST (UK)
If he died whilst in the care of the authorities, I would venture to suggest he is most probably in a common grave without a headstone

Generally, I would agree - but in this case he had a supportive and quite affluent family (two of his brothers were very successful consulting mining engineers) so I am hopeful that his family may have provided a gravestone.

Philip
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 05 September 18 17:11 BST (UK)
His death made the national press, the Western Daily Express Bristol reported it on the 9th September
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 September 18 18:16 BST (UK)
His death made the national press, the Western Daily Express Bristol reported it on the 9th September

Well, if you kill a well-known chess player, you must expect a certain amount of notoriety!

I have about 20 pages of research on Joseph James - his life, his family, his trial and sentencing at Lewes Assizes and his life in Broadmoor.  One day I'll get round to writing it up.  Sadly, Joseph had at least six relatives (including his mother) who died in asylums.

I've now e-mailed the link Jebber gave and am hoping for a reply about a grave.

Philip
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Thursday 06 September 18 19:42 BST (UK)
I got a very quick response to my e-mail  :) (thanks again for the link, Jebber)

Joseph James bur 1931, Alice Eleanor James (his wife) bur 1940 London Road Cemetery, Division 38, grave 7374.

The very kind man at Reading Crem & Cem also sent me a map!

Does any kind Rootschatter with a camera live near Reading and would be willing to see if there is a gravestone?

(OK, I'm pushing my luck here!)

Philip

(ps - the thumping and creaking sound you can hear is me - a happy bunny hopping arthritically around the room)  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: Jebber on Thursday 06 September 18 22:16 BST (UK)
Glad the link paid off Philip,  I have had similar success myself in the past by contacting a local authority, it was just a matter of a Google search to find the appropriate contact details for the town you are interested in.

Jebber
Still coughing and sneezing 🤧
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: HarryW on Friday 14 September 18 17:32 BST (UK)
I got a very quick response to my e-mail  :) (thanks again for the link, Jebber)

Joseph James bur 1931, Alice Eleanor James (his wife) bur 1940 London Road Cemetery, Division 38, grave 7374.

The very kind man at Reading Crem & Cem also sent me a map!

Does any kind Rootschatter with a camera live near Reading and would be willing to see if there is a gravestone?

(OK, I'm pushing my luck here!)

Philip

(ps - the thumping and creaking sound you can hear is me - a happy bunny hopping arthritically around the room)  :) :) :)

Philip,

You may get lucky with someone being able to find the plot and even a gravestone, but from bitter experience; The old Reading cemetery is in a pretty poor state.   My wife and I spent many hours trying to find a couple of plots with absolutely no luck, let alone finding gravestones.   The cemetery has suffered many years of neglect and vandalism.   Some gravestones were removed by the council and placed around the edges of the site as they were deemed dangerous

Harry
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 14 September 18 17:38 BST (UK)
Philip,
You may get lucky with someone being able to find the plot and even a gravestone, but from bitter experience; The old Reading cemetery is in a pretty poor state.   My wife and I spent many hours trying to find a couple of plots with absolutely no luck, let alone finding gravestones.   The cemetery has suffered many years of neglect and vandalism.   Some gravestones were removed by the council and placed around the edges of the site as they were deemed dangerous

Harry

Many thanks for your reply, Harry (great name - my dearly loved grandfather was Harry W).

I passed the grave details on to my cousins (one of whom is the granddaughter of the two people in the grave) and one of us might find a way to visit Reading Cemetery one day.

Philip
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: dawnsh on Sunday 16 September 18 09:03 BST (UK)
There seems to be an active volunteer photographer at Find-A-Grave

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2282419/reading-old-cemetery

some of the photos were uploaded as recently as August this year.

Might be worthwhile registering with the site, upload the names, dates and plot details you have a post a photo request.
Title: Re: Looking for a grave - Reading 1931
Post by: philipsearching on Sunday 16 September 18 09:49 BST (UK)
There seems to be an active volunteer photographer at Find-A-Grave

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/2282419/reading-old-cemetery

some of the photos were uploaded as recently as August this year.

Might be worthwhile registering with the site, upload the names, dates and plot details you have a post a photo request.

That is a brilliant suggestion, dawnsh.  I've done it, now I keep my fingers crossed.

Philip