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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Joan McA on Saturday 20 August 05 09:47 BST (UK)
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Nathaniel Collington was born about 1600. In his will he left money to the poor of "Layston near Alborough in Suffolk". I assume this to be the modern Leiston. He was ordained at Norwich in 1626 and was appointed curate of "Kellshall" in the archdeaconry of Suffolk. All this leads me to think he might have been born in Suffolk. A search was made of Leiston PRs but no Collingtons were found. Can anyone help with a suggested birthplace?
Also where is Kellshall? (the spelling comes from his ordination record)
Thanks
Joan
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Hello Joan
Co-incidentally there is a Layston and a Kelshall in Hertfordshire. The nearest parish sounding like Kelshall in Suffolk that I can think of is Kelsale, but I think Herts could be a real possibility.
Rick :)
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Thanks Rick,
I had also found Layston and Kellshall in Hertfordshire. But the wording in my ancestor's will is "Layston near Alborough in the County of Suffolk". Remember this is a 17C will and spelling of names was very variable so my translation of this into modern place names is "Leiston near Aldeburgh" (they are about 3 miles apart).
As for Kellshall, the Norwich Diocesan records show him appointed to Kellshall in the Archdeaconry of Suffolk. They would not have appointed him to a place in Hertfordshire. There definitely was a Kellshall in Suffolk as internet searches throw up other historical references to it. But what is it called now? Kelsale is a likely bet and actually is not very far from Leiston.
Joan
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My ancestors from Kelsale are listed variously as from Kelsall, Kellshall and numerous variants, even in the 19th century. I think Kelsale is your parish, without doubt.
Chris
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Chris
Thanks - that's very helpful.
Joan
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Hallo, I apologise for a late contribution to this thread. My eye was caught by the COLLINGTON name because I have come across a similar name (CULLINGTON) amongst baptisms and burials in 1760s Bradfield, Essex just south of Suffolk.
I appreciate that this is not far enough back in time to meet your requirements - and of course there may be no connection between the two names at all. Whether the CULLINGTON name goes back to 1600s in Bradfield I do not yet know.
However I looked at Boyds Marriage index for Essex and found these listed:
Vol 5 1600-1625 (males A-L)
1601 COLLINGTON Jn m Mgt HETHERINGHAM
1621 CULLINGTON Ric m Josian CLARK
1623 CULLINGTON Dan m An WELPDALE
1623 CULLINGTON Dan Eden STOCKDALE
Vol 6 1600-1625(females A-L)
Vol 10 1625-1650 (females A-L)
1626 Josian CULLINGTON m Tho ROOT
1609 Sus CULLINGTON m Wm CHAUSER
all in Harwich, Essex.
Boyds registers do not include all marriages but I have the impression that you had to be fairly posh to be included and your Nathaniel seems to fall into that category. Did you know of a possible Harwich link?
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Thanks Clincher,
It might be worth looking at Bradfield. My Nathaniel's christening may have been entered as Cullington. Given the period, spellings are not consistent and in fact his entry in Emden's register of early Cambridge graduates does spell his name as Cullington, though in all other records I have found, he is Collington.
He may sound posh but he entered Cambridge as a sizar (student of limited means) so I expect his origins were humble.
I have not found any Harwich connection.
Joan
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Try Witnessham Burgh Washbrook and Copdock for Cullingtons
Ken
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Thanks for the suggestions Ken. I will certainly investigate them. Just out of interest what led you to those villages?
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I have Cullington there
Ken
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Hello Joan
I haven't checked this out but I found the following Nathanyell Collington bap 27 Dec 1603 at Pettistree, Suffolk to Johes.Collington and Finaeta (nee Ryng married 21 Oct 1600 Pettistree).
Pettistree is near Wickham Market and well on the road towards Aldeburgh and Leiston if you are travelling from Woodbridge! My ancestors originate in Witnesham and Burgh, Suffolk, so could well be a connection.
Regards, Steve
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Hello Steve
That is very exciting. I had almost given up finding him in Suffolk. What you give fits very well - the unusual name Nathanyell (Nathaniel), the closeness to Leiston and the year (the earliest date I have for him is his matriculation at Cambridge in 1622). Many thanks.
You say you haven't checked it out but where did you find him?
Have you Collington connections? If so we can provide much on his descendants.
Joan
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Hello Joan
I found them on the new FamilySearch (LDS) website. I do have Cullington ancestors/occasionally listed as Collington. My line goes back to the mid 1600s at Witnesham, but they later lived at Burgh which is very near Pettistree. Interestingly, my wife has a family line that goes back to Pettistree in late 1600s, and I have identified the farm house there where her ancestors once lived.
Steve
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Hi Steve
It was very cheering to see the information you posted on Nathaniel Collington- the details do seem to fit. I had put Nathaniel aside for about a year as I seemed to be getting nowhere. Possibly there is a connection with Robert Collington of Mickfield mentioned on the National Archives website. Still have not worked out if Fynet [Finaeta] married Nicholas Ryng or William Ryng or both or if there are 2 Fynets [Finaetas]
Libby
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Libby
Fynet/Finaeta was certainly married to William Ryng as this entry in the Pettistree register makes clear:
"16 Oct 1599, William Ryng son of William Ryng deceased who was accidently killed upon Martlesham in the summer last past and Fynet his wife, now a widow, was baptised."
I didn't find the marriage of Fynet and William so I don't know her maiden name.
Joan
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Joan
Thanks for that- definitely William. I am inclined to think that Finet mother of Nicholas christened 1597 and Finaet mother of William christened 1599 are 2 different women. Interesting to know where William and Finaet married.
Libby
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Hello Joan,
Kellshall is the original name for the village of Kelsale, near Saxmundham, Suffolk. It derives from Kells Hall, Kell was a Viking leader who lived there. I can confirm that you are correct to assume that Layston is the original spelling for nearby Leiston and that Alborough is the original spelling for nearby Aldeburgh.
You may find references to Collingtons at the local church in Kelsale.
It would be a good idea if the place name signs had the original names in brackets underneath the current names.
Hope that this helps. Good luck.
Clive Woods