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Title: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Sunday 25 September 05 11:35 BST (UK)
Is anybody tracing the Larcher family - they came over to England (around 1700 to 1750?) and some ended up in Bethnal Green.  On the 1861 census there were 17 Larchers working as silk weavers in Bethnal Green but only one was still weaving in 1871.

I'm particularly interested in finding details of Elizabeth Larcher, who marrried John Monks on 25.05.1828 at St Matthew's, Bethnal Green.

Any help would be gratefully received!
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: Julie K on Monday 06 March 06 16:58 GMT (UK)
There was more than one Larcher family, some references are pre 1700. I think your Elizabeth is either daughter of Andrew & Rebecca Judith Larcher, ba 4.5.1808 Shoreditch St Leonards or possibly daughter of Andrew & Sarah ba 25.7.1802 Christchurch Spitalfields. I don't think this is a 2nd marriage as there is a child for each couple ba in 1806 but it's not certain.
My 4 x g. grandfather is Peter Larcher who first appears as a schoolmaster in Saffon Walden in 1784. He moved to Littlebury and then to Great Baddow Essex where he was head of the endowed school teaching maths, French, latin, english, geography, navigation and surveying. School also had a french dancing master. I have been unable to trace Peter's origins for over 15 years. The only Peter Larcher mentioned on the IGI is the wrong one as he became a sailor- see death duty registers.
I do have more info on Larchers - I make a note of whatever I find on the name. If you can help me on my line that would make my year!

Julie

Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Monday 06 March 06 17:52 GMT (UK)
Hallo, Julie, and welcome to Rootschat.

Many thanks for your message.

I don't have much information on the Larchers - I had found the two Elizabeths you mention, also Elizabeth Mary, b 22.04.1988 Bethnal Green, dr of Thomas & Elizabeth.

At the moment the Larchers are on hold until I identify Elizabeth's parents, but I will gladly share any information I dig up.

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: HMD22 on Tuesday 27 February 07 20:49 GMT (UK)
Can  you link to Mary Ann Larcher who married John Dormer in 1821 in Whitechapel St Mary according to the Pallot Marriage index.
From subsequent census data she would have been born about 1801.

John Dormer was a silk weaver in Bethnal Green, and by family tradition was Huguenot.
Children included Mary Ann Christiana bap 1822, John Alfred Dormer bap 1824, Sarah Rebecca, William Henry, Elizabeth Amelia, Charles Edwin, Edwin Josiah, Louisa Ann, Emily Elizabeth, Edwin Walter., all baptised at Bethnal Green St Matthew

Ancestry also gives a second Pallot Marriage index entry for John Dormer and Mary Ann Larcher in 1805.

Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 02 March 07 01:53 GMT (UK)
Hallo, and welcome to Rootschat

I have a tangle of information on Larchers in and around Spitalfields/Bethnal Green - it's waiting for me to find the time to do some serious digging andjoining up the fragments..

The only Mary Ann Larcher I know of was born around 1805 in St Georges in the East. I don't know if Larcher was her maidenname or her married nameand I don't know who hjer parents were.

Sorry, this doesn't help, but  I will let you know when I find out more.

Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: hamandpineapple on Sunday 13 May 07 16:39 BST (UK)
Hi everyone

My Larcher was also a Mary Ann, born c 1808 Shoreditch. She married David Crofts at St Matthew Bethnal Green in 1825. By 1851 she was a widow and working as one of those silk weavers!

I believe she was the daughter of Thomas Larcher and Elizabeth Ore, who married at St Leonards, Shoreditch in 1796

Have only just started looking at this family, so any 'leads' gratefully received!

Hamandpineapple
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: flipflops on Thursday 04 February 10 23:10 GMT (UK)
It's a bit of a hypothesis at present, but I have Rebecca Judith Larcher born abt 1780 possible husband Andrew. Their daughter  Elizabeth Larcher married John Monks both born abt 1808

John and Elzabeth had 7 children inc. Wm Monks born 1842 Spitalfields.  Wm married Rosina Lyon Southwark 1862.  Of their 9 children Rosina died before marriage, Elizabeth married Robert Mills Fulham  and had a daughter who was with her  grandmother C1901  but listed as daughter.
James Marks is also listed as a son.


Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 05 February 10 16:55 GMT (UK)
Hallo flipflops

My line goes as follows:
John MONKS m Elizabeth LARCHER 25/05/1828 Bethnal Green
children were Ann, Sarah, John, William (m Rosina LYON), Thomas, Mary, Henry (m Alice)

William MONKS m Elizabeth LARCHER 12/10/1862
children were William, Thomas, Rosina, Elizabeth (m Robert MILLS), Annie (m Harry MOUNT), Albert, Charlotte (m ?), John, Lousa (m Ernest RAYMOND)

Annie MONKS m Harry MOUNT 25/08/1901 - their son Harry was my Grandfather, their daughter Minnie is still living)

The three daughters of William and Elizabeth daughters were all war widows.

I have a potential father for Elizabeth LARCHER, - George, a silk weaver. Other than that my research into the LARCHER line has not got very far.

Where does your line fit in?  I would love to hear.
All the best
Philip












Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: flipflops on Monday 03 May 10 18:09 BST (UK)
A witness on Elizabeth's marriage to John Monks was Andrew Larcher which might support her being the daughter of Andrew and Rebecca Judith as mentioned by Julie K, of New Inn Court. If so it looks as though she may have sisters Esther of Worship Street born 4th Jun bapt 2 Sep1804.
Mary Ann of Worship Street,  born 13 Apr, bap 4 May 1806
Brother Andew of Worship Street  bapt  13 May 1813 father's occ weaver.
and possibly Thomas Mark born 15 Jan 1820 son of Andrew and Rebecca, maternal grandfather John Martley
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Monday 03 May 10 20:20 BST (UK)
Hallo, flipflops

Blimey, mega-wow and other excited expressions!

This is great information - where is it from?

Thank you so much, - you are my RootsChat Heroine of the Month!
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: flipflops on Tuesday 04 May 10 07:29 BST (UK)
Hi Philip, They are on the IGI and one of the gen sites has added the PRs for St Leonards Shoreditch, but you havet to browse through them, so it's helpful to have the dates first.
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: carinthiangirl on Wednesday 05 May 10 21:01 BST (UK)
i know Larcher also as a name from the Trentino-Alto Adige/South-tyrol in Italy.
http://www.trentinoheritage.com/towns.htm
Ruffre  -- a village with medieval origins and Germanic influences, it was originally composed of a series of farm areas dating to at least 1271.  Many of its emigrants to the US emigrated to Utah, and bore the  Seppi  and  Larcher  names.
think the Larcher-name there possible about bavarian settlements before centuries. in any case a german name. thinks comes about Lärche = larch, but not sure.
http://www.comune.ruffre.tn.it/
maybe the name came to France and areas around about evan.luth.people who fleed.
italian phonebook - 393 hits:
http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=Europe&Co=Italy&Dn=Infobel&url=http://www.infobel.com/italy

german phonebook 77 hits: http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/
austrian phonebook 478 hits : http://www.herold.at/en/telefonbuch/
most in austrian Tyrol (379) which fits with South-Tyrol. also old bavarian settlements in North-Tyrol.
familynames in Tyrol&Vorarlberg in 1940/41 (not included South-Tyrol which was since 1919 italian)at places:
http://www.tirol.gv.at/themen/kultur/landesarchiv/forschungstipps/familiennamen/familiennamen-l/
Larcher >>> Arzl b. Imst, St. Anton a.A., Bach, Bludenz, Brixlegg, Ehrwald, Feldkirch, Fließ, Flirsch, Fulpmes, Götzis, Haiming, Hall, Hatting, Holzgau, Igls, Imst, Innsbruck, Kaunerberg, Kaunertal, Kematen, Kreith, Kufstein, Landeck, St. Leonhard, Mieming, Mils, Mühlbachl-Matrei, Navis, Neustift, Oberhofen, Obernberg, Polling, Prutz, Ramsberg, Reith (Kufstein), Rietz, Roppen, Rum, Schönberg, Schönwies, Schwaz, Silz, Stams, Steinach, Telfs, Tschagguns, Wenns
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 05 May 10 22:21 BST (UK)
Hallo, carinthiagirl - many thanks for that information.

Although I am confident my Larcher line (weavers in Spitalfields) are of French Huguenot origin I haven't yet managed to trace them back to before their arrival in England. Your information offers some interesting possibilities about where they might have originated.

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 14 May 10 14:10 BST (UK)
Hello

The Larchers pop up also in my family tree, albeit breifly, my 8x great grandfather Pierre Mollet acted as godfather to one of them in London.

From what I can see the name first appears in West London , when a Jacques Larcher, of Poitou, married  Marie Haquen St James, Duke's Place, Aldgate 1 Nov 1691 and had his son Abraham baptised at the Liecester Fields Huguenot congregation, Westminster in April 1692. This Abraham on reaching adulthood married a Judith Soulis and had two children, the first Jacques baptised in East London at the Crispin Street, Church, Spitalfields 1715, the second Abraham baptised back in West London at the West Street congregation, Westminster  1717.

This is signifianct as there are three more couples, Pierre Larcher and his wife Esther, Josue Larcher and his wife Esther, Jacques Larcher and his wife Elizabeth , around the same time, using the same churches, East and West.

The first Pierre married his wife Esther Des Jardins, at Threadneedle Street, in the City, 11 October 1696. He described himself as of 'Sedan' and the son of   Francois Larcher and Elizabeth Piet. I cannot find any baptisms for them but they had at least one daughter Elizabeth, as she married Jean Goglin, in the Liecester Fields Church, Westminster, 1719. Pierre, his wife, and three of their Goglin grandchildren recieved charitable assistance from the Spitalfields 'Soup' during the arctic winter of 1739-41. They were living in East London  Balls Alley Spitalfields. Pierre was 69 at that time, his wife 67. He was admitted to the French Hospital London  January 1749 aged 78, giving an origin of Sedan in Champagne, and died 3 weeks later.

The second couple Josue and Esther, I cannot find a marriage for, but they had two children at least, Moise Larcher, baptised at Crispin Street, Spitalfields, East London 1701 and a daughter Esther Larcher baptised at West Street Church, Westminster, West London 1708. This is exactly the same baptimal pattern as Jacques son, Abraham. Further evidence of a link, Josue also stood as a witness to a marriage in the Leicester Fields church in 1793 same time Jacques was using it . Josue was certainly originally from Poitou too. He was a Merchant Distiller, and was admitted into the French Hospital London, where he died 1777. He gives the info he was the son of a Phillip Larcher of La Mothe, Poitou. Phillipe his father must have been in London too as he also died in the hospital 35 years earlier, 1743, aged 69. Phillipe was described as a member of the Huguenot congregation at Wandsworth, which I think is very significant and will come back to later.

The third couple Jacques Larcher and Elizabeth Pouveau were married in the Crispin Street Church, Spitalfields on 14 April 1707 and had two children Izaac Larcher 1708 and Salemon Larcher 1709 baptised there. There is then a gap, before they reappear baptising five children, Valentine Elizabeth 1716, Jean Jacques 1720, Susanne 1722, Abraham 1725 and Elizabeth 1727 at The Artillery Huguenot Church Spitalfields. Jacques also has a link to the West London congregations mentioned above, as he stood as witness to a marriage at Crispin Street in 1708, where both parties were described as being of the congregation of West Street Church, Westminster. Jacques also received assistance from the Spitalfields 'Soup' in the arctic winters 1739-41, at which time he was living at Brick Lane, Spitalfields, and was aged 61. He was admitted to the French Hospital same year, described as of 'Poitou' and died there Jan 29 1749/50  the hospital paying for the funeral.

Were all four of these familes related? With the exception perhaps of Pierre, it seems quite likely, a lot of links.

Another Jacques Larcher, who like Josue gives an origin as La Mothe, Poitou appears around same time too.

He married Marie Bellet  22 July 1716 at La Patente Spitalfields:

"Jacques Larcher son of the Late Jacque Larcher and Jeanne Doucet of La Mothe, Poitou and Marie Bellet, dau of Jacque Bellet and late Marie Marchand of Harfleur, Normandy."


They had four children Anne 1717, Jacques 1718, Marie 1722, and Pierre 1726, all baptised at the Wheeler Street Chapel, Spitalfields.

The entries for the surname then seem to dry up in the French records.

A Jacques Larcher (possibly one of the baptised sons to one of the families already mentioned above), had with his wife Ann Malherbe two children baptised in the French churches, a Jacques 1742 at La Patente Spitalfields and a  Marie Marthe 1750 at Threadneedle Street. There are no more French Huguenot baptisms after this.

This more or less matches with the pattern of the Huguenots who came over 1680-1700, most of the children and grandchildren assimilated into the Anglican community, especially after the opening of Christchurch Spitalfields in the late 1720's and St Matthews Bethnal Green in mid 1740's.

There is one exception and that is a Pierre Larcher who joined the St Jean Chapel in Spitalfields in 1768 by Reconnaissence, having at one time been a Deacon of the Roman Catholic Church back in France. He was described as a native of Foligney in Low Normandy. A new persecutuon raged there roughly  1750-1765 so again matches known pattern. (Incidently as a Deacon he may have been an educated man, I think he would be a good candidate for Julie's Peter Larcher, that turned up in Saffron Walden as a teacher 1780's)


Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 14 May 10 14:13 BST (UK)
Okay, apologies for length, hope you are still with me, but bare with me, and hopefully will pay dividends...

Obviously none of this helps work out where your Andrew fits in, but I may have a possible explanation for that. First there is some info on his family in the latter records of the French Hospital London.

A John Larcher, Silk Weaver, (b.1794 Montague Street, Spitalfields), and his younger brother Thomas Larcher (b.1804 Montague Street, Spitalfields) were both inmates at the hospital, John in 1865, Thomas 1872-6. They provided evidence that they were the sons of John Larcher and Mary Handsforth, and furthermore that their father John was born 1767 New Inn Yard Shoreditch son of Andrew Larcher and Anne Probee who married 1760 at St Lukes. Confusingly John stated that his grandfather Andrew was the original refugee, and came from 'Picardy around 1700' and used St Jeans Spitalfields, but obviously that date cannot possibly be true.

Then a Hannah Larcher (b.1821 7 Southampton Terrace Bethnal Green) daughter of Andrew Larcher and Susanne Rondeau, and her sister Louisa Larcher/Ware were both inmates, Hannah from 1877, Louisa from 1887. Among their proofs were their father Andrews apprenticeship indenture dated 1807, to his father also Andrew Larcher, a Silk Weaver. Hannah states that both her father and mother suffered disability in later life, her father from his arm, and she had to wait on them, which may explain why she never married herself.

I would imagine they were cousins of the Larcher brothers above, Their father Andrew the one baptised to Andrew Larcher and Sunsanne Grafton 1791, and his father the Andrew baptised to Andrew Larcher and Anne Probee 01 AUG 1763 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, the older brother of John Larcher.  So where is the baptism for  their great grandfather, the eldest Andrew Larcher?

Well I see there is one more much earlier Larcher marriage. An Andrew Larcher married at the Fleet London 31 March 1734. The full details on this marriage are very interesting indeed as they say he is a 'Felt Maker' of Wandworth, his wife of Putney. He was then almost certainly part of the Wandworth 'Hattery', a small colony of Huguenots operating south of the river making felt for hat trade. Their cemetery still stands at Nod Hill, and is the only survivng Huguenot cemetery anywhere in London. However this may also explain the lack of baptisms.

Lots has been written about this 'forgotten' Huguenot colony, including a book I think, but the records of their chapel, including baptisms did not survive sadly. It's possible the later Andrew then was his son and baptised in Wandsworth.

 So bad news is you may be stuck there.

However....small glimmer of hope. Going back to the beginning, you'll remember Josue Larcher of La Mothe, Poitou's father Phillipe was described also as a member of the Wandsworth Huguenot Congregation, and I mentioned that as possibly very significant. It was a small community, so what is the chance of two seperate Lanchers based there at same time? Fairly small one would have thought.

I personally think that is a pretty stong indiciation of a link and it is at least quite possible Andrew Larcher was indeed part of this refugee family originating in La Mothe, Poitou.



Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 14 May 10 18:26 BST (UK)
Sorry more to come, just looking again and had a bit of a breakthrough here...

Found this marriage on my discs which I had missed:

"Phillipe Larcher, Chapelier (Hatter), native of city of La Mothe, Poitou, Kingdom of France married Marie Brossard, daughter of Louis Brossard and Janne Brigand, of the same said province Poitou. French Protestant Chapel 'Le Temple', Soho, West London 17 April 1703."


I am sure he is the father of Andrew the felt maker/hatter of Wandsworth who married Ann Field at the Fleet 1734.

The parish records of the Anglican Church at Wandsworth, show both Andrew and his wife, and Philip and his wife were buried there:

11 March 1739 Mary Larcher, age 54
17 May 1743 Phillp Larcher, 68

3 Aug 1762 Andrew Larcher, 49
22 May 1785 Ann Larcher, 77

In addition Andrew and Ann did have one child baptised in the Anglican Church there and named him Phillip, (baptised May 5th 1735.)

The Andrew who married Anne Probee in East London 1760, was buried at St Matthews Bethnal Green 1814 aged 78, so born approx 1736. What's the betting he was a son to Andrew and Ann, baptised in the lost Wandsworth Huguenot records?

Also I may have got confused,  the Andrew Larcher who baptised Thomas Mark Larcher 15 January 1820, (who is your ancestor am I right?) gave the adress Gibralter Gardens on this baptism. He is still there on the 1841 Census, and his age suggests he is not a son to Andrew and Ann Probee, but must insteadbe the one baptised 1777 to a John Larcher and his wife Ann. They had children baptised in East London from 1764-80. So this John was probably born 1738-44. Since his baptism is also absent, I'm guessing he may well be another son of Andrew and Ann baptised in the Huguenot church in Wandsworth, and bother of the Andrew who married Ann Probee. He called his only son Andrew, which sort fo adds weight to that theory, the name was important to him!

Incidently there are several pamphlets published in Spitalfields by an Andrew Larcher 1795-1820, including "A remedy for establishing universal peace and happiness, against universal oppression, and dangerous tumults. Or, the friendly dictates of common sense, to all working people, especially to the silk weavers of London"  It argued for fair wages, cooperatives and pension provisions for the weavers, obviously he was a bit of a radical for those days!


Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Friday 21 January 11 00:46 GMT (UK)
I am a New Zealand descendant of Andrew Larcher and Sarah Grafton, married 24 May 1790 at Stepney Spital Fields.
My family comes down from the youngest daughter Louisa Ann born circa June 1811.

I would be thrilled to be able to trace either of the Larcher or Grafton families back even further and to find out more about them. We have been fed romantic stories of escapes from the French Revolution but I don't believe the time frames fit.
Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 21 January 11 13:19 GMT (UK)
Hello Avon

Having received no replies to this thread back in May, I did not think anyone was still actively following it, but I did manage to trace the Larchers a bit further back.

As per my posts above, I would personally have Louisa Ann's tree as follows:


Phillip Larcher b.1676 La Mothe, Poitou d.1743 Wandsworth +Marie Brossard (married at French Protestant Chapel 'Le Temple', Soho, West London 17 April 1703)
|
Andrew Larcher I b.1713 circa Wandsworth d.1762 Shoreditch? +Ann Field (married at the Fleet, London 31 March 1734)
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Andrew Larcher II b.1736 circa Wandsworth d.1814 Bethnal Green +Anne Probee (married 1760 St Lukes)
|
Andrew Larcher III b.1763 Shoreditch +Susannah Grafton (married 1790 Christchurch Spitalfields)
|
Louisa Ann Larcher
b.1811 Spitalfields

Phillipe and his son Andrew Larcher I, were part of the Huguenot colony in Wandsworth, South London (Surrey) who were Felt Workers & Hat Makers. You are unlikely to ever find the baptisms of Andrew I, or Andrew II, as the church records of this little congregation were unfortunately lost. However proof that they do link to the later family in East London is there in the Anglican records. Andrew Larcher I and Anne Field had a son Phillip, baptised in Wandsworth May 5th 1735, but there is a daughter baptised to them Catherine 9 years later on 2 Jul 1744  at St Leonard Shoreditch, showing they had indeed crossed the Thames north into the larger Huguenot Silk Weaving community in East London. Despite this when Andrew Larcher I died in 1762, he was buried back in Wandsworth, as later was his wife, no doubt as this was where his father and mother were buried too.

His father Philip was a Huguenot refugee and born in France. He would have been  9 years old at the time of the Revocation there (Oct 1685), so if he came then, likely he came to England with his parents, though I have found no trace of them in English records. The first definite sight of him here is his marriage in 1703, so he perhaps fled France alone, a little later, as a young man.

This is his baptism in the register of the Protestant Temple at La Mothe, Poitou, France Dating from 1676:

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd160/Riche1979/phillipelarchersbaptism.jpg?t=1295615120)

"Philippe son of Jaques Larcher, Labourer and Judith Groust, presented by Phillippe Moufset, Merchant,  godfather to be, born 15th May, and the godmother declared she knew not how to sign.  Signed: Phillippe Mousfet and Jacques Larcher"

So you there have his parents name and a generation further back in France at least.

Regards

Richard
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 21 January 11 16:42 GMT (UK)
Hallo, Richarde1979

I am still struggling to link my Larchers to the various Andrew Larchers which have been found.

I have an Andrew LARCHER and his wife Rebecca Judith MARTLEY with seven children born between 1801, living in Worship Street, Spitalfields and working as a silk weaver.

It is quite possible that there is no link with the hatmaker Larchers, but I live in hope!

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 21 January 11 17:25 GMT (UK)
Hello Philip

Your line I'm fairly certain also goes back to Philip Larcher of La Mothe, Poitou

These are the children I can find for Andrew Larcher and Rebbeca Judith:

Ann Rebecca Larcher    born 28 Nov 1801 baptised 1 Dec 1802 St Matthews Bethnal Green

Esther Larcher       Baptised  2 Sep 1804 St Leonard Shoreditch Adress: Worship Street

Mary Ann Larcher    Baptised 4 May 1806    St Leonard Shoreditch Adress: Worship Street

Elisabeth Larcher     Baptised 4 May 1808     St Leonard Shoreditch Adress: Worship Street

Harriett Larcher        Baptised  23 Jul 1811     St Leonard Shoreditch,  Adress: Worship Street

Andrew Larcher        Baptised 13 May 1813  St Leonard Shoreditch,  Adress: Worship Street

Thomas Mark Larcher    baptised Non-conformist chapel, born 15 Jan 1820 No 1 Gibraltar Gardens, Bethnal Green


The last is the significant one, because, Andrew Larcher the father is still living there, Gibraltar Gardens, on the 1841 Census, seemingly widowed, aged 65, working as a Silk Weaver.

This, through the age, allows him to be identified as the son of John Larcher and his wife Ann, born at New Inn Yard, Shoreditch and baptised 15 Nov 1777.

John and Ann were having children 1764-80, so John's likely birth year would be around 1738-42.

I am therefore sure he is also a son of Andrew Larcher I and Ann Field, as we know they had one son Philip Larcher, baptised at the Anglican Church in Wandsworth, 1735, then a daughter Catherine Larcher in Shoreditch 1744 (NEW INN YARD also their adress !). As a second generation refugee it was quite common for them to use a mix of both Huguenot chapels and the Anglican church, and I believe it's likely in that 9 year gap between these two confirmed children, your John Larcher, and his brother Andrew Larcher II, and likely other children besides, were also born to them and baptised in the Wandsworth Huguenot chapel, the records of which are sadly now lost to us.

Andrew Larcher I, was described as a Felt Hat Maker on his wedding 1735, his fathers trade, but I doubt he continued on that once in East London. He more than likely became a weaver there. The Wandsworth Huguenot community was tiny and very self enclosed by comparison, and it may simply have been there was not enough work for both father and son to ply that trade. In contrast the Silk Weaving trade just over the water employed thousands and was at the very height of it's success in the 1740's, and was dominated by the French refugees at that time, in a way it never would be again before or since. New Inn Yard was on the edge of Shoreditch and more or less in effect part of the adjacent Spitalfields weaving hub, where French was the common language for most.


Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 21 January 11 17:37 GMT (UK)
Ahh..actually looking at it, his father Philip Larcher, the original refugee died in 1743

He is buried at Wandsworth.

17 May 1743 Phillp Larcher, 68

I think that explains the move. It's too big a coincidence his son then leaves Wandsworth, and his trade, and goes to East End exactly the same time. I think the business died with the father. Perhaps the son simply did not have the same skill, flair or just the capital to continue on his own. Maybe the father left many business debts he was liable for? It would explain why he headed with his wife and children to Shoreditch/Spitalfields to the relative security of the strong French community there and the bouyant weaving trade.
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Friday 21 January 11 17:49 GMT (UK)
It's going to take me a while to work through all the information you have given, so I probably won't be ready to give a substantive reply until aftyer the weekend, but I have to say

   Thankyou     Thankyou     THANKYOU!

for the trouble you have taken to find and post all this information.


Going back to your post of 14 May last year, you wrote that you had not found a marriege between Josue LARCHER and Esther (whose children Moise and Esther were born c1700-1710). Can I suggest that Esther may have been Jewish? Certainly, Moise is a traditional Jewish name.

All the best to you
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 21 January 11 17:58 GMT (UK)
No problem Philip, my own particular interest is the Huguenot community of London, as so many of my own ancestors sprung from there, so I enjoy helping others and building in some way on my own knowledge of this community.

Josue Larcher I have also found in the pre 1680's records of the Huguenot Temple at La Mothe. There were many Larchers there, where the name is spelt variously as Larcher, Larche, Larchier, L'archer depending seemingly on who was filling out the register on any one day, as the spelling varies on alternate records of the same couples! Which is quite the 'correct' French I do not know.

The Huguenot names can be misleading, as like our own non-conformists here, they were very keen on sourcing names for their children from the Old Testement the 'Jewish' part. This is very unusual amongst the Catholic French who tended to stick with a small set of Saints names. It therefore is one way of spotting a potential Huguenot family, though not an exact science, as Huguenots of course used the saints names too.
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Friday 21 January 11 21:04 GMT (UK)
Just wanted to add I found a record in the French Hospital London for Phillipe Larcher, describing him as of Poitou aged 67, applying to them in June 1740 being "not in a state  to pursue his living" at that time. What exactly they mean by that can only be guessed at, though it was probably simply down to his age. They did not take him in but provided him 'outside assistance" for the period March 6 1741/42, until May 7 1743 when it was noted he had died. (As shown above he was in fact buried at Wandsworth ten days later). This of course confirms that the family were not in a good financial position if he needed charity assistance. It also confirms they were indeed using the French Huguenot Chapel there, as it states he was the Guardian of the Church, the Porter, quite an important position, he would have been a highly respected and trusted member of the community.
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Friday 21 January 11 22:58 GMT (UK)
I am so thrilled with all this new information.

In case it helps anybody else here is my part of the tree below.

I believe that Andrew Larcher married Sarah Grafton on the 24 May 1790

Their children were
Andrew 25.2.1791
James 24.5.1795
Sara H (died in infancy) 17.12.1797
Mary Ann 21.4.1799
Cristina 24.5.1801
Elizabeth 25.7.1802
Sarah Rebecca 27.7.1804
Ester 2.7.1806
Louisa Ann 30.6.1811
Louisa married John William Jeffries (18.5.1808 to 21.10.1892)) on 11.6.1837 at St John the Baptist Hoxton.
John was the son of John Jeffries and Isabella Anderson who were married 16.7.1807 at Southwall Christchurch.
The children of John William and Louisa Ann were:-
Harriet (Min)
Fanny
Louise
Henrietta
Frank
Charles Ebenezer 1872
Alice Maud (my gr grandmother) 1.1.1875
Frederick William 3.8.1876
I hope this helps somebody
Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: carinthiangirl on Saturday 22 January 11 00:33 GMT (UK)
Larcher in austrian states - most in Tirol.
phonebook Austria 480 hits: http://www.herold.at/telefonbuch/tirol/larcher/
    * Tirol (384)
    * Salzburg (29)
    * Vorarlberg (23)
    * Wien (16)
    * Steiermark (12)
    * Niederösterreich (9)
    * Oberösterreich (4)
    * Kärnten (2)
    * Burgenland (1)
at tyrolean districts most in Imst: http://www.herold.at/telefonbuch/imst/larcher/
    * Imst (111)
    * Landeck (56)
    * Innsbruck (Stadt) (55)
    * Reutte (43)
    * Innsbruck Land West (35)
    * Innsbruck Land Mitte (30)
    * Innsbruck Land Ost (20)
    * Schwaz (14)
    * Kufstein (8 )
    * Kitzbühel (5)
    * Lienz (4)

phonebook Italy 376 hits - most in South-Tyrol (=province Trento and Bolzano with postalcode 3 at begin): http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=Europe&Co=Italy&Dn=Infobel&url=http://www.infobel.com/italy
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: Hughesy53 on Sunday 24 April 11 20:33 BST (UK)
I know you posted this message a long time ago, but I have just started looking at my family history, and I certainly have a connection to the Larcher family who were from Bethnall Green. If my research is correct (and I am very new to this malarky) I have an ancestor George Thomas Larcher(bn 31/1/1800); He was a silk worker and lived in Elizabeth St, Bethnall Gn. Did you ever get any further with your research into this family?
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 24 May 11 20:27 BST (UK)
Hallo, Hughesy - welcome to Rootschat.

Sorry to take such a long time replying to your post - I have been neglecting my research recently.

I haven't yet found a link with my Larcher tree and your George Thomas Larcher, but I would be very surprised if we did not link somewhere along the line. The hunt goes on!

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: GreenKiwi on Tuesday 22 November 11 05:04 GMT (UK)
I just want to say thanks also to Richard, I must be related to NZtabbycat so I now have lots more information, might take a while to get my head around it all. Thanks
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Tuesday 22 November 11 05:46 GMT (UK)
Well NZTabbycat would be thrilled to pick up another relation, let's know how you progress.

Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: flipflops on Wednesday 23 November 11 00:52 GMT (UK)
Many thanks to Richarde for such a brilliant wealth of interesting information on the Larcher family.

Wonderful
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: fantasyfudge on Sunday 26 February 12 23:40 GMT (UK)
Hello everyone, im new here!!
Ive just discovered that I am decendent of John and Anne Larcher who I think came over from France.
They had a son, Andrew who married Rebecca Judith Martley, who in turn had a daughter called Harriet and I am a Great xxxxxxx granddaughter of her and her husband, Thomas Watley.
Im looking for any info on who, what, where,when happened before they came over to and settled in London.
Many thanks
Karen
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Monday 27 February 12 11:42 GMT (UK)
Hallo, fantasyfudge (great name!)

Our Larcher ancestors came from Poitou in France in the first wave of emigration after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes.

I will send you a personal message with further details (most of which are on this thread somewhere)

Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Thursday 01 March 12 21:05 GMT (UK)
Can you please explain what the edict was and how it affected our ancestors. Thanks
Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Thursday 01 March 12 22:24 GMT (UK)
Hello Avon

The Edict of Nantes was issued in France in 1598 by Henry IV.  This effectively ended the religious wars in France which had raged 30 years previous to this, by securing Huguenots religious tolerance and civil status, albeit very limited, confined to certain areas only, where Protestantism was already ingrained. From about 1660 Louis XIV slowly eroded the rights of this Edict, by passing counter laws, and making sure the original  Edict was pedantically followed to the letter. By 1685 as a result something like 80% of France's Huguenot temples had already been destroyed and many forced to convert to Catholicism. Convinced Huguenots and their 'heresy' had been 'stamped out' by these measures, he felt the Edict was no longer needed, and that year he revoked it all together, which led to the mass exodus of around 200,000 Huguenots to other countries, which continued for about a century until his great grandson Louis XVI passed an Edict of Toleraton in the 1780's.

Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Thursday 01 March 12 22:45 GMT (UK)
Heavens that's interesting.

So maybe the anecdotal story about one of my French ancestors escaping to England with an English sailor and her jewels in her knickers might have some credence then??? So far most of us have just split ourselves laughing.

That is great, many thanks for the effort.

Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Thursday 01 March 12 22:56 GMT (UK)
Certainly that is how the majority of them crossed the channel, they bribed the small trading vessels that crossed between the ports to take them hidden in the cargo. There were patrols of the King's troops on all the coastal ports to prevent this, and if caught they faced prison (one of mine was and they were put in a dungeon for over two years, their young children taken away). They automatically forfieted all land and property to the crown by fleeing the realm, which was a criminal act, so obviously they would try to convert as much of their assets as they could before this, without raising suspicions, into small easily smuggled items such as jewels, so there may well be truth in the family tale!
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: NZtabbycat on Thursday 01 March 12 23:07 GMT (UK)
I can't wait to tell my elderly mother. She thought that somebody with that amount of jewelry must be part of the aristocracy.

I wish I knew where it all went after that. I guess it paid a few bills and set them up in business.

Thanks again
Avon
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: richarde1979 on Thursday 01 March 12 23:32 GMT (UK)
Protestantism was largely confined to the mercantile classes, and skilled workers such as the weavers, who were I suppose what would be considered in England lower to upper middle class, and the aristocracy which in the 16th century split along religious lines into armed camps which sparked the religious wars (Henry IV was a Huguenot, but converted to Catholicism to take the throne famously stating 'Paris was worth a mass'). So they were generally wealthier then the majority catholics of the farming class. The reason behind this was protestantism tended to be spread by 'banned' books and pamphlets  coming into the kingdom from the neighbouring Protestant states especially Germany, and these were the literate classes.  That said the refuge was a great leveller and most tended to reach England in the same state destitute. The sailors knew they were likely to be carrying hidden goods on them and they were open to be robbed or they would refuse to take them without higher bribes etc.
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: karennewman on Sunday 20 January 13 14:35 GMT (UK)
Hi All
Ive had to re register so am now under a new name, I was fantasy fudge!!
Ive been googling the name LARCHER to see what comes up and have discovered a little village in Poitou Charentes inFrance called CHATEAU LARCHER.
Has anyone come across this before and do you think that the Larchers may have something to do with this village?
Also any idea who I would contact to find out?
Thanks
Karen
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: carinthiangirl on Sunday 20 January 13 19:55 GMT (UK)
Larcher-name in Tyrol, about Lärche = larch
book about familynames in Tirol&Vorarlberg shows being most from Wipptal (Wipp-valley south of Innsbruck) and Landeck, both in North-Tyrol (Austria) and also Eisacktal (Eisack-valley in South-Tyrol, since 1919 Italy).
oldest finding in a document of year 1397! "Perchtold Larcher auz Aschel (Vöran)" = Berchtold Larcher from Aschel (Vöran).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%B6ran
http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&pq=aschel&cp=4&gs_id=7w&xhr=t&q=v%C3%B6ran&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.Yms&biw=1366&bih=538&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

similar names are Larch and Lardschneider (larch-cutter).

as you have stated french Huguenot - have you proof on this?
so there can have been once a tyrolean Larcher who fled because became a protestant?
Wandern "Auf den Spuren der Hugenotten und Waldenser"
Hiking "In the Footsteps of the Huguenots and Waldenses"
http://www.hugenotten-waldenserpfad.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55&Itemid=60
Based on the story of the exile of refugees very important Swiss border town of Schaffhausen runs the cultural trail on the southern slopes of the Swabian Alb, further along the Neckar .... and so on.
Schaffhausen: http://maps.google.at/maps?hl=de&gs_rn=1&gs_ri=hp&cp=11&gs_id=63&xhr=t&q=schaffhausen&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.Yms&biw=1366&bih=538&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: carinthiangirl on Monday 21 January 13 20:55 GMT (UK)
Château-Larcher
The village today is called "Château-Larcher". Latin, it was once called "Castrum Achardi", meaning "stronghold of Achard". That was the name of the person which has rebuilt at the end of the 10th Century. It was then called Châtel-Achard or Chasteau-Achard. In the 11th Century appeared the first of his name changes. They began to formulate: "Chastel-Acherd", "Chastel-Acher", "Chastellacher", and then "Chastellachair" or "Chastel-Archier". Up to eighteen variants are known, which are occupied by documents of the Middle Ages. first time in 1627 in a printing emerged the modern name "Château-Larcher" in, but has little relation to the original meaning.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau-Larcher
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau-Larcher
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: karennewman on Wednesday 23 January 13 14:26 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Thank you for the information.
This is my tree with regards to the French Huguenots, Im going back from my Great grandmother.
ALICE JESSIE KIGHT BORN 1876
Her mother
MARY ANN WATLEY Born 1841 Whitechapel   married Francis Kight
Her mother
HARRIET LARCHER Born 1811 Shoreditch      marriedThomas Watley
Her father
ANDREW LARCHER Born 1777 Shoreditch  married Rebecca Judith Martley ?
His father
JOHN LARCHER  Born 1740 Wandsworth  married  Anne Richards ?
His father
ANDREW LARCHER born 1713 Wandsworth  married  Anne Field ?
His father
PHILLIPE LARCHER Born 1676 in Poitou Charentes  married  Marie Brossard ?
His father
JAQUES LARCHER Born abt 1650 in Poitou Charentes  married Judith Groust ?

Can someone have a look at this and tell me if I have this right please?

Also im pretty sure about the men as have looked at records ect for them but I am unsure about the women that they married, particularly the ones with the question marks by.

Thanks in advance.

Karen

 
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: Niggles on Sunday 04 March 18 14:15 GMT (UK)
Hello

I'm not sure of this thread is still active but I found out last week that I too have some Larchers in my family tree and wondered if anyone could give me some help or advice as to finding some more information about them as to be honest I'm stuck!

I'm related to a Philip and Mary Larcher but haven't been able to find out any details about them, marriage, birth, death etc.

They had 3 children, Mary  baptised 11 November 1781, Philip 14 Mar 1784 and George 31 July 1785, all baptised at St Leonards, Shoreditch. No occupation is given for Philip (snr) but he was living in Crown Court. Mary was married to a Samuel Jones at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney on 6 Feb 1803 and the witness was Philip Larcher (I assume her father rather than brother)

But that's all I know about them, do you think Philip (snr) could be related to the Larchers that have previously been talked about in Wandsworth that moved to the East End? frustratingly I can't find a birth for Philip (snr) either in the Shoredicth or Wandsworth areas that would fit.

Any help or advice anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

Nigel
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Sunday 04 March 18 16:05 GMT (UK)
Hallo, Niggles.

Another Larcher descendant - Yay!

I don't have your Philip & Mary in my tree, but I have only looked at siblings of my line, not the siblings' children.  Given that my refugee ancestor Philippe (1676-1743) had a grandson named Philip (b1735) I would not be surprised if there is a link.  I will do some digging and see what I can find.

Rootschatter Richarde1979 (who posted below) has an amazing amount of information.  He was online a couple of weeks ago, so he should spot your post.  It could be worth your while to send him a personal message just to be sure.

All the best
Philip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: davidqueneherve on Wednesday 14 March 18 19:30 GMT (UK)
Hi,

In the 1676 French record, the family name is written LARCHIER. I think that the mother's family name is PROUST.

Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: philipsearching on Wednesday 14 March 18 20:18 GMT (UK)
Hi,

In the 1676 French record, the family name is written LARCHIER. I think that the mother's family name is PROUST.

It's tricky to read the name, but I have the mother as Judith Groust.

Phiip
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: Niggles on Sunday 22 July 18 14:06 BST (UK)
Hi

Has anyone made any progress on the Larcher name? would so love to find out if I'm descended from a Huguenot!
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: davidqueneherve on Sunday 22 July 18 21:01 BST (UK)
See those two family trees https://gw.geneanet.org/jbillard?lang=fr&pz=jean+philippe&nz=billard&ocz=0&p=jacques&n=larchier&oc=9

https://gw.geneanet.org/jpbra?lang=fr&p=jacques&n=larche

and check the sources if possible

Index letter L

https://archinoe.fr/v2/ad79/visualiseur/etatcivil.html?id=790005113

View 175 and view 203
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: Niggles on Monday 30 July 18 18:48 BST (UK)
Thanks David, but I don't think these are my Larchers.

I'm looking for a Philip and Mary Larcher, living in the Shoreditch area around 1781-1785
Title: Re: LARCHER - French Huguenot
Post by: carinthiangirl on Wednesday 01 August 18 09:03 BST (UK)
Ever asked HERE? (No idea if we had that on any of before pages of thread)
Deutsche Hugenotten-Gesellschaft e.V.
German Huguenot Society e.V.

In the German Huguenot Center is the genealogical research center of the German Huguenot Society.

Present are:
* numerous French-Reformed church books, colonial lists, family trees
* Microfiches, microfilms and CDs about Huguenot immigrants to Germany
* List and maps of places of origin and landscapes of the Huguenots in France
* List of professions of the Huguenots
* List of Germanized names of the Huguenots
* Huguenot magazines and specialized literature
* Genealogical aids and finding aids
The use of the above aids is basically only possible for members (become a member). In individual cases, private individuals can be given expert advice on site (please register in advance) or by email / fax / letter by external specialists for a reasonable fee.

For this please read the "Information zu genealogischen Anfragen/ Information on genealogical inquiries"!
https://www.hugenotten.de/genealogie/index.php

They have Surname Lists, Lists for places of origin and so on....