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Title: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 01 October 05 21:21 BST (UK): Just an update with the family names I am researching in the Village of Duntocher. Some surnames I have lots on, others are collateral and I have limited info on.

Can we make a connection?

Coyle
Stewart
Murray
Martin
Cuthbertson
Mochan
Bowie
Kirkwood
Docherty
Morrison
McGrory
McMunigle
Sweeny
Collins
McBride
Gallacher
Linning
Tait
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Sunday 06 November 05 09:32 GMT (UK): Hello Debbie, I would be interested to know who your Morrisons in Duntocher are please.

thanks,

Lindsay Morrison
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 07 November 05 23:46 GMT (UK): LOL!! We are chatting on two threads now. ;D

My Morrison's are a collateral line, and I don't have a huge amount on them My cousin Anne is researching them a bit more I think.

Robert Morrison died in 1925, he was married to Margaret McGrory, and they had the following -
Thomas, Mary & Elizabeth.
Margaret remarried to George Stewart.

My other Morrison is a Margaret Morrison that Married John Stewart in Duntocher, again, abt. the year 1925.
I have children for them, but nothing further.

Not too much to go on, sorry!
Do you recognise any of the names?

Debbie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Tuesday 08 November 05 16:02 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie, yes so we are, hadn't realised until I got the messages.

Thanks for the Morrisons, don't recognise them at the moment but I will have a look for their parents and let you know the outcome.

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: ron_dem on Monday 06 February 06 00:43 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie: Did your Kirkwoods come from Toll cross, Shetteleston area?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Monday 06 February 06 06:59 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie, ron_dem's post popped up in my email and reminded me that I hadn't looked up your Morrisons to see if I could find a connection with mine ...

John Stewart and Margaret Morrison married 14th April 1925 at 21, Hope Street, Glasgow by Declaration in presence of Margaret McGrery(??) or Morrison, 41 New Street, Duntocher and Mary Morrison or Hamilton, 5, Victoria Street, Clydebank. Warrant of Sheriff's Substitute of Lanarkshire dated 14th April 1925. The marriage was registered at Blythswood, Glasgow.

John, aged 21 was a Private in the Gordon Highlanders and usual residence was Castle Hill Barracks, Aberdeen. Margaret, aged 18, lived at Ash Tree Place, Old Kilpatrick.

John was the son of William Stewart, Shipyard Labourer, and Flora Stewart m/s Murray. Margaret was the daughter of Alexander Morrison and Mary Morrison m/s Malcolm.

Then I checked the marriage cert of Alexander Morrison and Mary Malcolm to get the parents. Alexander Morrison was the son of Robert Morrison and Fanny Smith, I happen to know that Robert and Fanny were both born in Ireland.

They are NOT my Morrisons but by an amazing coincidence :) - I am very excited at this - I do know who they belong to because I looked at this family for someone else on rootschat!!

I have sent you a PM with the details and a PM to the other person to tell her to look at this post.

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Monday 06 February 06 07:31 GMT (UK): Thought it unlikely that we had a connection but I had a look at Robert Morrison and Margaret McGrory (not McGrery as I thought above) also.

On the 30th April, 1920, at 19, Howard Street, Glasgow by Declaration in presence of Angus McDonald, labourer, and Agnes Logan or McDonald, Robert Morrison, aged 23, Ship Rigger's Labourer married Margaret McGrory, aged 18, Threadmill worker by Warrant of Sheriff's Substitute of Lanarkshire dated April 30th, 1920.

Robert lived at 34, New Street, Duntocher and Margaret lived at 16 Old Street Duntocher. Robert was the son of Thomas Morrison, Rivetter's Holder On, and Jeanie Morrison m/s McReynolds. Margaret was the daughter of Joseph McGrory, Farm Labourer, deceased and Mary McGrory m/s Farren?? deceased.

Also not mine, I didn't look any further but I don't have a single Thomas Morrison in my tree - apart from a very new one born a month ago. :)

I don't think it is coincidence that Margaret McGrory Morrison witnessed the marriage of John Stewart and Margaret Morrison or that Margaret McGrory Morrison remarried a Stewart - they must be related in some way.

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Monday 06 February 06 10:51 GMT (UK): Hi Lindsay

Did as you suggested and checked out this site. The Margaret McGrory is my Grandmother who was Married to Robert Morrison the son of Thomas and Jeannie McReynolds. Robert was my Grandfather who died before my mother was born . He died in March 1925 in Bellahouston Hospital( Which I can find no trace of) and my Mother was born in the November 1925 she had a brother called Thomas and a sister called Mary. My Grandmother then Married George Stewart this is where the connection with debbie comes in its a small world alright.

Regards
Winniep :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 06 February 06 17:07 GMT (UK): Ann is that you???

Quote from: winniep on Monday 06 February 06 10:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Lindsay

Did as you suggested and checked out this site. The Margaret McGrory is my Grandmother who was Married to Robert Morrison the son of Thomas and Jeannie McReynolds. Robert was my Grandfather who died before my mother was born . He died in March 1925 in Bellahouston Hospital( Which I can find no trace of) and my Mother was born in the November 1925 she had a brother called Thomas and a sister called Mary. My Grandmother then Married George Stewart this is where the connection with debbie comes in its a small world alright.

Regards
Winniep :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 06 February 06 23:11 GMT (UK): Quote from: ron_dem on Monday 06 February 06 00:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie: Did your Kirkwoods come from Toll cross, Shetteleston area?

Hi,
I'm afraid I don't have much on the Kirkwoods.
My James Stewart, born abt. 1909 Duntocher, married Ina Williamina Kirkwood.
James was the son of William Stewart and Flora Murray. I would love to find out more about Ina, if you recognize her?

Debbie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mk on Sunday 12 March 06 21:28 GMT (UK): Hi,

I have just recently started researching my family tree and this is the 1st time that i have been on this website.

My maternal grandfather was a Mochan from Duntocher, his father John Mochan (married to Catherine McGlinchey) was born in Duntocher in 1878. His father Michael (married to Mary O'Donnell) was born in Ireland in 1843.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 12 March 06 21:56 GMT (UK): Hi Mk,
Boy was I happy to read your post! John Mochan was my Granny, Mary Mochan's brother. I don't know a lot about him, apart from the fact that he was a widower when he married Catherine McGlinchey. My grandfather Michael Joseph (Joe) Cuthbertson was a witness at the marriage of John & Catherine.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 12 March 06 22:04 GMT (UK): I just noticed ... one of your other surname interests is Hamill. Is that Hugh Hamill/Annie Mochan?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 13 March 06 01:12 GMT (UK): Hi mk,

I see Cousin Helen has replied to you already!
Welcome to the Rootschat forum, I bet you never thought you would find family on your first visit here? :)

The Mochan's are collateral line to mine. I am related through Helen's maternal line - the Stewarts.

Are you still in Scotland mk?

Deb in BC
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mk on Monday 13 March 06 20:30 GMT (UK): Hi Helen & Debbie,

I was amazed when I read the replies to my 1st posting. Especially as I was starting to feel as if I had hit a brick wall.

I have traced 5 brothers and sisters to John - Ellen, Patrick, Annie, Dennis, Mary (your grandmother), and John I think is the youngest. Do you know of anymore.

Here also comes the family scandal that I have uncovered - the Hugh Hamill, Annie Mochan connection - They are my great grandparents as my grandfather and grandmother were 1st cousins (my grandfather is the son of John and my grandmother is the daughter of Annie).
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mk on Monday 13 March 06 20:34 GMT (UK): Sorry Debbie, forgot to add that I am still in Scotland, in Johnstone just outside Paisley, only about 20 minutes away from Old Kilpatrick/ Duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 13 March 06 20:52 GMT (UK): Hi Mk,
I have sent you a p.m. We have lots to share!
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Sunday 14 October 07 00:23 BST (UK): hello all ,
hope you dont mind me throwing my hat in ,its just ive found this whole conversation and site to be so well revealing and interesting.
I only recently started researching my family history , my family goes back a way into the history of duntocher, im henry (harry ) carey jnr, my dad was a scout master in the village back in the 50's ,my great grandfather was david smart who had the bakery shop in duntocher , were related onto the hendry's ,french ,smiths ,hamils and a whole host of others. my wife family are the mccalls also am old duntocher family

if any info i have can be of use to anyone let me know ,
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Sunday 14 October 07 00:50 BST (UK): Hello Henry,

Do you by any chance know anything of the Morrison family who were butchers in Duntocher? Maybe the shop was near to that of your GG the baker?

Great that you made a connection to Debbie on you first posting :)

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 14 October 07 02:43 BST (UK): Hi Henry,
My Mochan's and Hamills are related through marriage. Do you have any Mochans?
My cousin Deb will no doubt recognise all the other names you have mentioned.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Sunday 14 October 07 12:14 BST (UK): hi all , i will confess i am very new to all this family history stuff, my daughter loves the tv program who do you think you are , and from that i started digging my dad for info , he's a mine of information and for ever recalling his younger days but i hdnt ever (god forgive me) paid much attention.

the conenction to the hamills is i think marriage or second cousins ...anyone knowing duntocher knows that nearly everyone of the orignal villagers is realted in some way ...i do know if its the same hamills it was hughie and pat ..who was glagow chief constable for awean of years ...i think his wife is a second couysin of the carey's..

but bear with me now ive found this site its mad me more determined to dig and record all the more..

i stumbled across a website called http://www.myheritage.com/
and from it downlaoded an excellent wee program that creates records the family tree...that can be uploaded to the web

well cheers the noo

harry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Sunday 14 October 07 16:32 BST (UK): hi again all,

what ive gathered , morrison the butchers shop was on the main street near where the post office used to be , it was johnny morrison snrs shop he was a councillor in the town along time ago and in fact morrison street is apparently named after him...his son johnny took over the running of the shop and eventually many years later it was bought over by rodgers the butchers , they kept the shop going until a few years ago. my great grandads bakery would have been across the road , where he wooden cafe is now located.

as for the name mochan , my wife informs me that if its the family mochan that had a janitor tommy in it she is in fact related on to them through her fathers side , he is a mcmahon but not from the village originally clydebank.

cheers the noo

harry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 14 October 07 22:09 BST (UK): Quote from: henryhtc on Sunday 14 October 07 12:14 BST (UK)
i started digging my dad for info , he's a mine of information and for ever recalling his younger days but i hdnt ever (god forgive me) paid much attention.

I think most of us are guilty of that! Oh how I wish I could ask my Mam & Dad some questions now.
Re: Hamill - Hugh Hamill married Annie Mochan, 1890. They had 10 children, including a Hugh born 1900. I don't have much info on their children, but more than likely the name Hugh kept popping up.
How are you on Stewarts? Know many of them? My Mam used to say "if you threw a stone in Duntocher you're sure to hit a Stewart." :D
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Monday 15 October 07 13:27 BST (UK): "How are you on Stewarts? Know many of them? My Mam used to say "if you threw a stone in Duntocher you're sure to hit a Stewart."
Helen

hi helen nowt has changed i can think off at least half a dozen familes with that surname no more than a few strets from hwere i am know.

is there a particular stewart family ..ie a grandad or great grandad or whatever that i can my dad about for you ?

cheers

harry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 16 October 07 02:21 BST (UK): Hi Harry,
It's not so much the "passed" Stewarts I'm looking for right now, more the present. Long story - condensed version - my Mam, Christina (Stewart) Cuthbertson took a photo with her when she visited Duntocher in the 1980's. The photo was of my Uncle Tommy Stewart & his greyhound(s). Mam gave it to one of Tommy's sons. I'd dearly love to have a copy (I grew up with that photo!) and my dear cousin, John Stewart was going to try and track it down for me. Tragically John passed away last December. If you know any of Tommy's family - Barney, John, Hugh - could you mention me (and the photo) please?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Tuesday 16 October 07 11:06 BST (UK): hi helen , i will run what you have said by my dad , he will hopefully point me in the direction of the right stewarts ...since the village is as you know full of them..

im guilty of not knowing the village its people and its hiostory as well as i should given my familys history, my parents moved from duntocher to england back in the late 50's, only returning to live back in duntocher on my fathers retirial......i moved into duntocher 13 years ago,after marrying a local girl as fate would decree.....

anyway i will see what i can find out

cheers

harry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 17 October 07 00:39 BST (UK): Hi Harry,
Thanks. :)
Now that we have got my problems out of the way ... is there anything in particular that you are looking for? I may not be able to help, but there are some lovely people on this site only too willing to assist. And my wonderful cousin/mentor - Deb in B.C. - has quite a knowledge bank on all things Duntocher.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: LindsaySiam on Wednesday 17 October 07 23:39 BST (UK): Harry, thank you for the info on the Morrisons (butcher shop). If I can help you with anything, please let me know.

regards,

Lindsay
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Tuesday 23 October 07 10:21 BST (UK): Hello, Im helping my mum try and retrace her family history, she was born in Duntocher, her name was Margaret Morgan. Her Father was Aurthur Morgan born in 1924 in Duntocher and his parents were Patrick Morgan and Jessie Black. We are hoping to find out if they were born in Duntocher, we gues it would have been around the late 1800's. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 24 October 07 23:12 BST (UK): Hi Jo,
Have you looked for Patrick & Jessie's marriage on Scotlandspeople? That would be a good place to start. Lots of info on a marriage cert - age, occupation, parents.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 25 October 07 10:22 BST (UK): Failed to pull any information from Scotlands people as my mum is unsure of their marriage date. My mums granfather Patrick Morgan was murdered in Duntocher, and we are also unsure as to the exact date. We are going to the Mitchell library today to look at old newspapers. Hopefully we might get some dates for his death. Thanks for your reply. Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 25 October 07 18:05 BST (UK): there are some Morgans at 19 New Street in the 1901 census - are these yours?

Arthur Morgan abt 1866 Ireland Head Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire

Arthur Morgan abt 1897 Duntocher, Dumbartonshire Son Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire

Mary Morgan abt 1851 Duntocher, Dumbartonshire Wife Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire

Patrick Morgan abt 1900 Duntocher, Dumbartonshire Son Old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 25 October 07 20:02 BST (UK): hi debbie...thank you so much for that information..it does sound like the same family...i was at the Mitchell's library all day today looking at some newspapers to see if i could find some information as patrick morgan my grandfather was murdered at aged 42...it was very hard as i did not have dates...we will go on the census and see what we can find... i would be grateful with any advise you can give me as i have only had my computer a few month... i am in duntocher visiting my daughter jo until sunday she found me this site and she has forwarded it to my computer for when i get home thank you once again...marjie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 25 October 07 20:21 BST (UK): hi Marjie & Jo,

Why not try scotlandspeople for Patrick Morgan's death certificate?

I had a spare credit, so I just checked for Patrick Morgan, DNB. and there are 4 results -

1 1903 MORGAN ANDREW PATRICK M 34 OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0104

2 1873 MORGAN PATRICK M 0 DUMBARTON /DUNBARTON 496/00 0122

3 1927 MORGAN PATRICK M 78 NEW OR EAST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 500/01 0007

4 1944 MORGAN PATRICK M 44 OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0197

is he one of them? My bet is number 4!
And as you say he was abt. 42 when he died, that makes the 1 year old in the 1901 census for Duntocher a good candidate to be your Patrick.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 25 October 07 20:27 BST (UK): and here are the only 2 Patrick Morgan marriages in Old Kilpatrick between 1916 and 1931. Looks like your Jessie may have used the name McArthur instead of Black?

1 1921 MORGAN PATRICK MCARTHUR JESSIE OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0112

2 1922 MORGAN PATRICK NEIL WINIFRED OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0016

And finally - with my very last credit!!

Here is the possible marriage between Patrick's parents Arthur and Mary in Duntocher -

1 1887 MORGAN ARTHUR & SMITH MARY OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0039

Now you can find the family in the 1891 census. Looks like Mary Smith was born in Duntocher, so you should be able to find her in the 1881 census easily as well.

Hope all this has set you on your way! Good luck with the research, and make sure you keep us all updated on your findings.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 25 October 07 23:41 BST (UK): hi debbie..oh my goodness..i met my aunty betty the other day who is 81...i asked her a few questions about the family and one of the things she said was that my granny jessie was relay MacArthur but she was brought up by her granny and that is why she used the name black..this is so exiting i cannot believe you have taken me so far...please please let me send you some credits just tell me how to do it and i will feel so much better after what you have done for me...i will definitely be keeping in touch with you debbie as i dont know anyone else to ask if i need help...i want to find out all about why my g dad was murdered and and find out who are in my family tree...you are a gem...i am so grateful...much love from marjie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 26 October 07 00:07 BST (UK): no worries marjie! I had 3 spare credits, and nothing to spend them on, so consider it my gift to you. One day, you will be able to pass on the favour to another researcher.

Now head on up to scotlands people, and buy those certificates for yourself. They will give you an absolute wealth of information that will keep you busy well into the wee hours!

Are you still living in Duntocher marjie? or is it just your daughter that stays there now?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 26 October 07 00:25 BST (UK): hi debbie...i dont live in duntocher now i live in england..it is through fate that jo lives here now as she met her husband in england and he was from old kilpatrick..and they ended up here...she actualy stays in hillend crecsent where my granny used to live..she is the only one that lives up here now and i am pleased she does as i get to come to the village often...once again thank you so much and i will keep you posted i will also be only to glad to help anyone in the future...marje
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 26 October 07 00:33 BST (UK): What about this one Deb?
1881 Census - Main Street, Duntocher
SMITH Hugh, 47, born Ireland
SMITH Elizabeth, 39, born Ireland
SMITH Hannah, 19, born Ireland
SMITH Mary, 16, born Duntocher
SMITH Hugh, 15, born Duntocher
SMITH John, 12, born Duntocher
SMITH Elizabeth, 4, born Duntocher

Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 26 October 07 00:51 BST (UK): and on IGI ...
Mary Smith, b. 7 Jul 1864, Old Kilpatrick. Parents: Hugh Smith & Elizabeth Moore.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 26 October 07 01:25 BST (UK): hi helen..i am sat here intrigued at what is unfolding in front of my eyes...i have been up against a brick wall since i started ...jo amid i are so exited...thank goodness she found this site for me...these names that are coming up have been passed on through the family...partick hugh arthur elizabeth to name just a few...i will go and see my auntie betty before i go home and give her all this information...i am forever grateful...marjie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 26 October 07 17:43 BST (UK): Helen's and my Uncle George (wee Geordie) Stewart lived on Hillend Crescent in the 1950's. he was married to Greta McGrory.

Glad that you are so thrilled with the information we have been able to dig up. I don't see how you could have possibly been at a brick wall marje, that was real simple stuff to find. :)

All the information is readily available at scotlandspeople, and you have the added luxury of having close proximity to the Mitchell, and the New Register House in Edinburgh.
Helen is in Australia, I am in Western Canada.

A lot of the Scottish church registers have been transcribed, and are available at www.familysearch.org on the IGI index. Not all the registers are on there though. Catholic registers are sadly lacking, but the years 1855 - 1875, plus the 2 census years of 1881 and 1891 are all available as those certificates were all filmed.

Wait till you start trying to find the families in Ireland.... that's the tough part!

Keep on digging - if you find any Stewarts, Coyles, Cuthbertsons, Mochans, McGranaghans in you family names, we are probably cousins.
Dig far enough in Duntocher, and we will ALL end up being related! tee hee.. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 26 October 07 22:14 BST (UK): Quote from: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 26 October 07 17:43 BST (UK)
I don't see how you could have possibly been at a brick wall marje, that was real simple stuff to find. :)
Deb, you're forgetting how you must have wanted to hit my head against 'the brick wall' when I started! ;) :-* ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 26 October 07 22:26 BST (UK): Marjie,
If the 1881 Census is your family - Hugh was born 4th Jan 1867, and John was born 19th June 1869.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 26 October 07 22:45 BST (UK): From the 1891 Census:
Dwelling: 4 McLeods Land, Old Kilpatrick
MORGAN Arthur, 28, born Ireland. Occ: Hammerman
MORGAN Mary, 26, born Duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 27 October 07 21:31 BST (UK): I've got them in the 1901 Census, although the ages are completely screwed up, you'd have to view the original on Scotlandspeople to make sense of what the transcriber has done. And they are living in 41 New Street, Duntocher. In the 1881 Census my g.grandparents lived at 41 New Street, First Stair. And my Dad was born in 42 New St., !!

MORGAN Arthur, 35, born Ireland. Occ: Labourer
MORGAN Mary, 50 (??), born Duntocher
MORGAN Arthur, 4, born Duntocher
MORGAN Patrick, 1, born Duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Sunday 28 October 07 21:49 GMT (UK): hi debbie helen and all...thats me back home in england...so sorry i did not get back to you last night ..jo had a halloween party while we watched most haunted on tv...it has took me a while to find this site and register but i was determind to get back to you...it seems that mary was a lot older than arthur but she is on his marriage certificate as is his father patrick who was deceased..and yes my granny is down as mcarthur...she had two sets of parents on hers which may have been her grandparents and her parents...i am going to try and get my grandads death certificate as jo is going back to the mitchel on thurs to see if she can find the story of his murder...then i an going to try and find more about marys parents...i hope you are all well...marjie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 28 October 07 21:59 GMT (UK): Brilliant marjie! make sure you let us know all the details when Jo finds the story at the Mitchell.
And, keep us posted on all the different names you come across the the certificates. you never know what others on the forum here might be able to add for you.

marjie - have a look at this site as well - http://www.sctbdm.com/

it is the Births Deaths and Marriages Exchange for Scotland, a lot of researchers, myself included make sure that they add the details of their certificates to this site. the aim of the Exchange is to provide a free resource for sharing information about ancestors found in Scotland.

It is a very valuable resource.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Sunday 28 October 07 22:08 GMT (UK): thank debbie yes i will let you know how jo gets on at the mitchels...and i will go on that site now..bare with me as i am still new to this but i find it all so exiting..by the way my great grandfather was a blacksmith and and my grandfather was a hammerman it was on the marriage cert just as you brought up for me...i wonder why my dad did not follow them as he was a welder...catch you in a bit...marjie ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 28 October 07 22:49 GMT (UK): Quote from: marjie47 on Sunday 28 October 07 21:49 GMT (UK)
...it seems that mary was a lot older than arthur

But not that much! By my calculations she SHOULD be abt. 37 in 1901. You'll have to look at the original census image.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Wednesday 31 October 07 19:20 GMT (UK): hi debbie...i cant seem to get my grandads death to come up even though i more or less know the date...i have been trying since monday and have had no luck...i must be doing something wrong ::)i knew when i left jos it would be hard for me..could it be to early for the census as i think it was 1942 and i keep putting that on but they say no all the time...if you could just tell me what i am doing wrong i will have another go...jo would like it for when she goes to the mitchel library to find that sorry about his murder...sorry to bother you...marjie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 31 October 07 19:46 GMT (UK): 1944 MORGAN PATRICK M 44 OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK /DUNBARTON 501/00 0197

Hi marjie,

could it be to early for the census as i think it was 1942

Don't search the census - you need to search the death registers . the census' are every 10 years from 1841 to 1901. They show who was living in the households as enumerated by the census takers.
The death registers are the certificates that are issued when a person dies. Two entirely different sets of records.

Search in the death registers, using the parameters of the 1944 entry quoted above. That is your Patrick.... yes?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Wednesday 31 October 07 21:36 GMT (UK): hi debbie..you are right of course...jo came on took my password and she got his death and birth certificate..he was born in chapel street just over where jo is living now on 13 oct 1899 he died on sept 9 1944 it says by violence and gunshot wounds in dalmuir..jo can now go to the mitchel with the date and look it up in the papers to see who shot him...my poor father had to go and identify him which he never spoke about...once we get this over we will start on the rest of the family and then we may find some happy news about them :)who know...thank you for your valued advise...marjie ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 31 October 07 22:12 GMT (UK): Quote from: marjie47 on Wednesday 31 October 07 21:36 GMT (UK)
chapel street just over where jo is living now on 13 oct 1899

That's where my Grandmother was born in January 1900 - 1 Chapel Rd.
Our families were neighbours. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Wednesday 31 October 07 22:26 GMT (UK): it is so amazing we are talking about our families all those years ago who were so close..it is hard for me to take in at the moment..i cant wait to tell the rest of my brothers and sisters all this ..i am going back up for new year and i will be walking round all these places..if you want any pictures just tell me because jo will post them for you ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 31 October 07 22:52 GMT (UK): Another happy beginning .... it's NEVER the end. Go on Deb, put your hand up for photos of Chapel Road, New Street, & Auchentoshan Ave. ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marjie47 on Wednesday 31 October 07 22:56 GMT (UK): I WILL GET THEM ALL GIRLS NO WORRIES...I LOVE MY VILLAGE :) :) :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 02 November 07 20:41 GMT (UK): Heres an update of the latest of our research of the |Morgans.
We now know that Marjies grandfather was shot on sept 9th at Duntocher canal as he left work at the ordnace factory Dalmuir.
His murderer was a Patrick Mcteague who lived in Duntocher road. He only got 7 years as he pleaded mental ilness due to being gassed in the war.
we have gone further back to patricks parents Arthur and Mary Morgan who wed in 1887. Marys parents were Hugh and Elizabeth Smith.(nee Moore)
Arthurs Parents were James and Elizabeth Morgan(nee Mochan)
Debbie this could be a connection of yours.
I look out of my window onto Auchentoshan avenue. I can post any pictures you would like. Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 02 November 07 20:47 GMT (UK): oops....sorry Debbie its Helen with the Mochan connection. Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 03 November 07 05:22 GMT (UK): Quote from: Jintyjo on Friday 02 November 07 20:47 GMT (UK)
oops....sorry Debbie its Helen with the Mochan connection. Jo x

Don't apologise - Deb takes an active interest in 'my side' too. :)
I only have one Elizabeth Mochan in my files - born abt. 1862, Bothwell, Lanark. Parents: Patrick Mochan & Ann McKenna.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: joette on Friday 09 November 07 00:02 GMT (UK): I will ask my Mum about the shooting she was only a little girl but something as sensational as that may have been talked about.
Duntocher Road starts from Dalmuir all the way to Parkhall.

There have been a fair few shootings in around the Canals-at least another two I can think off-one a cuckolded husband who shot both parties.-maybe the fifties?? Then off course the more recent-1970's Torrance case.(no relation)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 09 November 07 04:49 GMT (UK): Jo, I forgot to get back to you re: Auchentoshan Ave., - a photo of "ma Granny's hoose" would be great if you can take one please? She lived at number 22, I have a photocopy of a photo, but I'd love to see it as it is today. I remember playing there with my cousins when I was a little girl - and it's been many years since I was a little girl! :(
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: JCibz on Friday 09 November 07 22:54 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie,

I wonder if your Dochertys are the same as mine.
Daniel Docherty Ag labourer born Ireland (1810 - 1821) married to Ann Docherty ( nee Morran or Morraw) born Ireland about 1810. Children William born 1839 Ireland, Catherine born 1841 Ireland and Thomas born 1845 Ireland. The family are on the 1851 census living at main street, back court, Duntocher.

Catherine married twice. 1st to James Campbell in Duntocher on Oct 28th 1859 and then to Daniel Gill . She died 28th Feb 1926.

I would love to hear from you about your Dochertys.
Julie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 10 November 07 18:06 GMT (UK): Hi Julie,

I expect if we dig enough, we will find a connection to the Docherty's. I don't have very much on mine, they are a collateral line, and I haven't dug into them too much as yet.
I have Richard Docherty, and his wife Annie McDonald.
Their son Archie Docherty married my Great Aunt Flora Stewart Oct. 30, 1925 at St. Marys. At the time of their marriage, Archie was living at 38 New Street.
Archie died in January 1951, I think it was a work related accident, in England.

(*** Helen*** feel free to but in here - what do you have on Archie?)

Flora eventually emigrated to New Zealand where she re-married.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 10 November 07 20:48 GMT (UK): Not much Deb, :( I did find a Michael Docherty & wife Annie in the 1901 Census. They are living in Kirkintilloch with a tribe of kids. I'll send it to you, see what you think, but there's no way of knowing if it's them because Archie was born abt. 1907.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: JCibz on Monday 12 November 07 16:54 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie and Helen,

Thanks for your information. I don't have any of your Docherty's as yet within my tree but If I make a connection I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Monday 12 November 07 20:46 GMT (UK): Hi Helen, whats the best site to go on to search back to Ireland, we have no exact dates or places where they lived, just names. James Morgan and Elizabeth Mochan birth dates approx 1860's. QAny help will be appreciated. Jade (my daughter) has had the flu I will take the piccy tomorrow. Love Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 12 November 07 21:52 GMT (UK): Hi Jo,
My Mochans came from Donegal. I had another look through my files, I only have one Elizabeth, but she was born Scotland abt. 1862.
As for the best Irish sites ........ take it away Deb ;D ;D ;D
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 12 November 07 23:31 GMT (UK): this site will tell you about Irish civil registration, and the dates it started etc.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/cens-sub/homabd01.htm

Irish research is a lot tougher than Scottish. My best advice to you is to get everything you can on the couple in Scotland before you attempt the Irish stuff. Most likely your people were Catholic - Mochan, I'm betting they were from Donegal. (A lot of the Duntocher folk were from Donegal.)

Helen and I have been working for years on the Donegal families in our tree, and haven't even managed to scratch the surface on them in Ireland.

There aren't any sites like scotlandspeople for Ireland.

Check your people on every census in Scotland, you might strike lucky and get a County of birth in Ireland - but more often than not, the records just say "Ireland"
get all the pertinent certificates, and try for Wills & testaments - they may give clues as to where they were from in Ireland.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 November 07 00:20 GMT (UK): Jo, do you have any children for James & Elizabeth? Anything at all that would help to locate them in the Census' ?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 November 07 01:06 GMT (UK): moving over from the Inverness site - Roseann if you are watching this topic please respond -
chasing up loose ends on Debs & my Stewarts from Duntocher ....
Ninian Stewart b. 1895 married Elizabeth McMungle, b. 1895 d/o Thomas McMungle & MaryAnn McDowall.
Arthur Scott Murray b. 1877(also ours) married Susan McMunigle,b. 1877 d/o Hugh McMunigle & Maryann Donachy. Hugh & MaryAnn had a son Thomas b.1875. What I am hoping to find out is whether or not Hugh & MaryAnn's Thomas is the same Thomas father of Elizabeth ??
b.t.w. The McMunigles address in the 1891 Census is Castlebank St., Partick - which is the same street Ninian Stewart was born in.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 November 07 20:36 GMT (UK): Jo, I don't know for sure if these are yours, but ....

1891 Census, Dwelling North Woodside Road, St George, Glasgow
MORGAN James, 29, Head, Railway Clerk, born Ireland
MORGAN Elizabeth, 25, born Denny, Stirling
MORGAN James Leopold, 8 months, born Denny, Stirling

1901 Census, Dwelling 36 North Woodside Road, St George, Glasgow
MORGAN James, Head, 38, Railway Clerk, born Ireland
MORGAN Elizabeth, 36, born Denny, Stirling
MORGAN James L., 10, born Denny, Stirling
MORGAN John, 5, born Glasgow, Lanark
McKENNA Mary, 24, Visitor, born Denny, Stirling. Occ: Gen Serv.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mroseann1 on Tuesday 13 November 07 20:42 GMT (UK): Hi Helen,

I looked my Thomas McMunigle( McMunigall) up and all i know about him is that he was born on the 05/05/1875 in Partick at 11 walker st and he married a Mary-anne Dowall born about 1876 but i cant find the documents to prove this maybe i got it from Jacquie ( James McMunigle's ) gg granddaughter. Jacquie will send me more info and when she does i"ll let you know. Oh and the McMunigal's came from Donegal

Roseann xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 November 07 21:03 GMT (UK): Hi Roseann,
That's it! We (you, Deb, me) are related on two fronts now. ;D
It was Susan McMunigle Murrays brother Thomas who was the father of Elizabeth McMunigle Stewart.
Thanks cousin. ;)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mroseann1 on Tuesday 13 November 07 21:23 GMT (UK): Hi Helen,

So how is Elizabeth McMunigle married Ninian Stewart and that means my great grand Arthur was your great Gran's brother but also my great gran Susan was hows side of the family? I'm getting confused but Jacquie will be glad to hear this, she is in Canada so does that mean that we are cousins from both sides off the family if so thats amazing. Do you mind if i give you e-mail address out to some of the McMunigle's i have in my tree

Roseann
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 November 07 21:57 GMT (UK): Hi Roseann,
Okay, I might make a mess of this, but here goes .....
Arthur Scott Murray was my Granny's brother. He married Susan McMunigle d/o Hugh McMunigle & Maryann Donachy. Granny (Flora McLure McIntyre Murray) married William Stewart. Their son, Ninian Stewart married Elizabeth McMunigle, d/o Thomas McMunigle & MaryAnn McDowall. And Thomas was the brother of Susan McMunigle. I hope I've made that clear enough to follow? ???
Re: Email address - sure, but tell them to make the topic identifiable because I don't open emails from unknown sources. AND if they have any hard questions - direct them Deb's way ;D She's the one with experience, I'm just her bungling pupil. :P
love Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 13 November 07 22:46 GMT (UK): Well done on the detective work there Helen!!
I had to get all my McMunigles in a row there before I could see exactly how the relationships were sorting out.

OK.... we are related to Roseann on 2 fronts for sure.

I am suspicious that we are related on two MORE fronts as well.
I would love to find out who the parents of Mary Ann McDowall or Dowall were.

Our Thomas Stewart was married to Mary Dowall abt 1836 Ireland (probably Donegal)
Thomas died and Mary Dowall remarried William Morrow - it is through their children that we tie in to all the Gallacher's in Duntocher.

And - Thomas & Susan McMunigle's other brother - John McMunigle married a gal by the name of Bridget CARR.
I have Carr's related through the Coyles in Duntocher as well.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mroseann1 on Wednesday 14 November 07 00:20 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie and Helen,

I've tried to post this three times so her goes i hope it gets on this time.
Well her goes
James McMunigel 1818? married Susan Harkins 1818? their kids were
Elizabeth 1845? in Ireland
Hugh 1850? in Ireland
Hugh married Maryann Donachy on 3/8/1870 in Glasgow their kids were
James 1870? but was named Jane on his birth certificate, that took 5 years to amend it
John 1873-1933
Thomas 1875
Susan 1877
Hugh 1880
Maggie 1882?
Manis1888?
James married Margaret Devlin they had 7 children
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Hugh 1895

Margaret 1897-1957( McGunnigle) married William Young on 18/7/1914 their kids were
Elizabeth 1915?-1936? and Margaret.
Elizabeth married Alfred Fraser1915?-1937? and they had a daughter Jessie 1936?
Margaret married John Lorimer 1914-1981 their kids John 1942 and Margaret 1944. Margaret married John (Ian) Beckett and John married Helen McLaren 1942 their son Brian 1972?
~~~~~~~~
Elisabeth 1899 (McGunnigle)
James 1903
Patrick 1905 (McMonnigal)
Anne 1907 (McMonnigal) and
Cathrine 1910 (McMonnigal)
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John McMunigle 1870 married Bridget Carr 1870-1917 on 2/7/1894 in St Peters Oldkilpatrick.
they had two sons that i know off.
Hugh 1897 and William 1907

I hope you can understand this.

Roseann
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Wednesday 14 November 07 08:12 GMT (UK): Hi Helen, the only son we know at present is Arthur. Arthur married Mary Smith in Duntocher in 1887. JO x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 14 November 07 17:57 GMT (UK): Hi Roseann, here are the children of Flora for your records - you will see Elizabeth McMunigle married to Ninian - child #5 below.

Children of William Stewart and Flora McLure McIntyre Murray

1. WILLIAM STEWART (RICHARD, RICHARD) was born Sep 23, 1865 in Old Mill Brae, Duntocher, and died Mar 20, 1926 in Jenny House, Duntocher, Dumbartonshire. He married FLORA MCLURE MCINTYRE MURRAY Mar 04, 1887 in Church of Scotland, Radnor Park, Dumbartonshire, daughter of WILLIAM MURRAY and EMILY MCLURE. She was born Apr 06, 1870 in Torwood Schoolhouse, Nr. Dunipace, Stirling, and died Jan 11, 1952 in 22 Auchentoshan Avenue, Duntocher, Dumbartonshire.

Children of WILLIAM STEWART and FLORA MURRAY are:

i.   EMILY MCLURE STEWART, b. Jun 17, 1887, Radnor Park, Clydebank; m. JAMES MCBRIDE, Jul 19, 1909, St. Marys Chapel, Duntocher; b. Abt. 1886.

ii.   RICHARD STEWART, b. Abt. 1889, Possilpark, Lanarkshire; d. Oct 30, 1915, Pas de Calais, France; m. ALICE STEWART COLLINS, Feb 11, 1915, St. Marys Chapel, Duntocher; b. Abt. 1896.

iii.   WILLIAM MURRAY STEWART, b. Mar 17, 1891, 6 Napier Street, Yoker, Dumbartonshire.

iv.   THOMAS MURRAY STEWART, b. Jul 10, 1893, 14 Salisbury Place, Radnor Park, Clydebank; m. SISSY SWEENY.

v.   NINIAN MURCHISON STEWART, b. Oct 28, 1895, 120 Castlebank Street, Partick, Lanarkshire; d. Dec 19, 1956, Duntocher; m. ELIZABETH MCMUNIGLE, Feb 24, 1919, St. Patricks Church, Anderston, Glasgow; b. Abt. 1898; d. Mar 20, 1961, Duntocher.

vi.   GEORGE STEWART, b. Abt. 1898, Partick, Lanarkshire; d. Apr 14, 1978, Duntocher; m. MARGARET MCGRORY; b. Abt. 1902, Ireland; d. Apr 06, 1961, Duntocher.

vii.   MARGARET ANN STEWART, b. Jan 30, 1900, 1 Chapel Road, Duntocher; d. Jul 18, 1953, 54 Dalgleish Avenue, Duntocher, Dumbartonshire; m. CHARLES COYLE, Feb 02, 1925, St. Mary's, Duntocher.; b. Apr 07, 1892, Old Street, Duntocher; d. Jan 31, 1952, Western Infirmary, Hillhead, Glasgow.

viii.   CATHERINE STEWART, b. Abt. 1903, Duntocher; m. (1) TOMMY MARTIN; m. (2) CHRISTOPHER ADDISON; b. Abt. 1903; d. Abt. 1929.

ix.   JOHN STEWART, b. Abt. 1905, Duntocher; m. MARGARET MORRISON, Apr 14, 1925, 21 Hope Street, Glasgow; b. Abt. 1907, Old Kilpatrick.

x.   FLORA STEWART, b. Abt. 1907, Duntocher; d. Aug 07, 1961, Christchurch, New Zealand; m. (1) JOHN ALEXANDER DRUMMOND; m. (2) ARCHIBALD DOCHERTY, Oct 30, 1925, St. Marys Chapel, Duntocher; b. Abt. 1907; d. Jan 09, 1951, England.

xi.   JAMES STEWART, b. Abt. 1909, Duntocher; m. INA WILLIAMINA KIRKWOOD.

xii.   ARTHUR STEWART, b. Abt. 1911, Duntocher; m. MARY BOWIE.

xiii.   CHRISTINA DAVIDSON STEWART, b. Apr 06, 1913, Duntocher; d. Jun 27, 1999, Frankston, Victoria, Australia; m. ALPHONSUS CHARLES ALEXANDER CUTHBERTSON, Apr 08, 1932, St. Marys, Duntocher; b. Sep 04, 1905, 42 New Street, Duntocher; d. Jul 15, 1981, Frankston, Victoria, Australia.

xiv.   RICHARD STEWART, b. Dec 06, 1916, Duntocher; d. Jul 26, 1996, Barrow in Furness, Cumbria; m. MELINA MARTIN, Jan 09, 1946, Sacred Heart Church, Barrow in Furness, Cumbria; b. Nov 28, 1922, Barrow in Furness, Cumbria; d. May 19, 2001.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 14 November 07 22:17 GMT (UK): Jo,
I'm getting a little confused here ..... James & Elizabeth were BORN in the 1860's & their son Arthur MARRIED in 1887? ??? That just doesn't add up.
On second thoughts, I mustn't be reading your postings right, because Arthur (according to Census in earlier postings) was also born in the 1860's. Are we looking for 2 separate families? Or has my brain just gone A.W.O.L. :P
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mroseann1 on Thursday 15 November 07 00:48 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie& Helen,
Thanks for that info Margaret Beckett Nee Young should be in touch soon, i sent her this site and hopefully she Will have More info ? i also sent this to Jessie McGee nee (Fraser's)daughter Jacquie Adams who knows mostly every thing about the McMunigale's.

Roseann
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 15 November 07 10:03 GMT (UK): Hi Helen, no it was my mistake I meant to say that James and Eliz would have had birthdates probably in the 1840's lol. I now know after finding Arthur and Mary in the census of 1891 and 1901 that they had 2 sons and that Arthur was born in Ireland. However there is nothing at all about his parents James and Eliz. I have a feeling that maybe he alone came over from Ireland. When they married in 1887 his mum was alive but his dad was deceased. I tried to trace in the death register but nothing came up. My other option before I start to trace Ireland, is to see if they settled elsewhere in Scotland. But that would be a long shot. What do you think Helen? Regards Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 15 November 07 17:10 GMT (UK): here is the picture I promised you. Enjoy love Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 15 November 07 17:12 GMT (UK): I have taken another of the windows. And a couple of Duntocher from the flyover. Hope you enjoy love Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 15 November 07 17:16 GMT (UK): for Helen.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 15 November 07 17:28 GMT (UK): Quote from: mroseann1 on Thursday 15 November 07 00:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie& Helen,
Thanks for that info Margaret Beckett Nee Young should be in touch soon, i sent her this site and hopefully she Will have More info ? i also sent this to Jessie McGee nee (Fraser's)daughter Jacquie Adams who knows mostly every thing about the McMunigale's.

Roseann

Brilliant! Will look forward to hearing from them. :)

We should get Moira on this site as well - I'm sure she would it enjoy it.
Did Moira mention to you that she has the family bible of Sarah McLure and Thomas Watson? I was gobsmacked!
Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 15 November 07 17:31 GMT (UK): Great pictures Jo!! Thanks for posting them! Is that your daughter in the corner?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Thursday 15 November 07 17:36 GMT (UK): Yes Debbie, there were people in their gardens so I had to pretend I was taking the pictures of Jade and my wee dog.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: lawlargo on Thursday 15 November 07 17:49 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie/Helen

Just writing to introduce myself. I'm one of the McGunnigle connections (it's spelt several different wasy - probably because they were illiterate and couldn't say how their name was spelt, so the officials filling in the forms had to guess). Certainly makes searching for them complicated.

I'm Margaret Beckett (nee Lorimer). My gtgrandfather James McMonnigal b1870 was the elder brother of Thomas McMonnigal b1875 and Susan McMonigall b1877.

The Jessie Fraser mentioned in Roseann's posting is my full cousin - her mother was my mother's elder sister. You will probably also be hearing from Jacqueline, her daughter. They live in Canada.

Cheers!

Margaret
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 15 November 07 21:53 GMT (UK): To Jo,
Thanks heaps for the photos - brilliant. :) Re: James & Elizabeth, I haven't any credits left at the moment, so could only do a cursory search, and you are quite right, nothing came up for Elizabeth Morgan, however there were 4 matches for James Morgan, Dumbarton, in the Statutory Deaths 1855 - 1956. I suppose you have already checked them out?

To Margaret,
Hi. Re: McMunigle pronunciation - I was speaking about the family to my elder brother, and even though he KNOWS the correct spelling, he has always called them the "McGunigles" !!! ???
Nice to have you onboard, this topic seems to be taking a life of it's own doesn't it?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: lawlargo on Thursday 15 November 07 22:08 GMT (UK): Hi Helen

My grandmother was Margaret McGunnigle and she was literate, so by the time the name processed through the years it was definitely McGunnigle. My mother's middle name was McGunnigle (Margaret McGunnigle Young).

Margaret
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 16 November 07 02:59 GMT (UK): Hi Margaret,
Makes life hard, doesn't it? I have found my Mochans under Muchan, Mohan, Mechan, and even Maughan. Gallachers have been found under Pallocker, and, just to make sure we stay on our toes - a recent census search for OLD KILPATRICK brought up HOKIEPATROCK - I kid you not. ::)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 22 November 07 19:22 GMT (UK): Hi Jo, I suppose you have your Smiths in the 1881 Census? Here they are ( I think ) just in case.

Dwelling: Main Street, Old Kilpatrick.
SMITH Hugh, 47, Head, Gen. Lab. born Ireland
SMITH Elizabeth, 39, Wife, born Ireland
SMITH Hannah, 19, Daur, Mill Worker, born Ireland
SMITH Mary, 16, Daur, Mill Worker, born Duntocher
SMITH Hugh, 15, Son, Mill Worker, born Duntocher
SMITH John, 12, Son, Scholar, born Duntocher
SMITH Elizabeth, 4, Daur, born Duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 23 November 07 12:46 GMT (UK): Hi Helen yes I have all them, the funny thing is that the house I live in now in Duntocher was lived in by A Hugh and Martha Smith so far I have no luck seeing if they were my relatives as I had trouble tracing all the sons. Thanks for you help Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 23 November 07 20:26 GMT (UK): Hi Jo,
Have you had a look at the Duntocher Directories 1893-94? Arthur Morgan is living at Veitchs Land, and there are 3 Hugh Smiths - Davies Square, William St., & Veitchs Court.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Friday 23 November 07 21:43 GMT (UK): duntocher directories? Where will i get that Helen. I found someone who is tracing the smiths side of my family on the geneolagy website. I hope to hear from them too. Thanks helen love Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 23 November 07 23:05 GMT (UK): Quote from: Jintyjo on Friday 23 November 07 21:43 GMT (UK)
duntocher directories? Where will i get that Helen. I found someone who is tracing the smiths side of my family on the geneolagy website. I hope to hear from them too. Thanks helen love Jo x

Jo - PM me you main email address, I can email you the directory pages.
Deb ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 23 November 07 23:06 GMT (UK): Re: Directories

http://www.theclydebankstory.com/index.php

Scroll down to "other options" and click on Site Map. Lots of goodies, including Duntocher Directories.
Helen :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 23 November 07 23:14 GMT (UK): ahhh good on ya Helen, I knew they were on line somewhere, but I couldn't find them via google.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 23 November 07 23:21 GMT (UK): Lay off the bottle Deb, YOU posted the link after we found it (ages ago). ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Jintyjo on Saturday 24 November 07 00:45 GMT (UK): now then ladies lol 'it is Friday nght'
thanks love Jo x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 25 November 07 17:52 GMT (UK): Quote from: Jintyjo on Saturday 24 November 07 00:45 GMT (UK)
now then ladies lol 'it is Friday nght'
thanks love Jo x

LOL! I'm dosed up to the eyeballs with cold medications. :P
The main thing, did you manage to find the directories OK?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jintyjo on Sunday 25 November 07 18:06 GMT (UK): Not had a chance to look yet, just away to do a night shift the now :-[
I have annual leave next week so I will have a good look then, Hope you are feeling better soon love Jo x ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 17 December 07 09:06 GMT (UK): Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year everyone. :) Hope you all have a good one.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: mroseann1 on Monday 17 December 07 15:05 GMT (UK): Merry Christmas to you Helen and every one else 8) hope you a have a great new year as well.

Take care
Roseann xxx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 24 December 07 21:48 GMT (UK): Just a wee note to wish all my fellow Duntocher friends and researchers a Very Merry Christmas and Happy Hogmanay!

here's hoping that 2008 will see us all make incredible leaps with our genealogy, and that we are all able to find new family members via this wonderful forum.

Slàinte Mhath!!!

Debbie

:) :D ;) Merry Christmas!!! 8) ;) :)
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Post by: weemo on Wednesday 30 January 08 08:44 GMT (UK): KNOW I'M A BIT LATE BUT HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 30 January 08 21:35 GMT (UK): Happy New Year to you too Mo. Hope you have a good one!
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
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Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 29 February 08 17:18 GMT (UK): Hiya Docherty!

Welcome to Rootschat, and welcome to our little Duntocher family discussion thread!

I have a few Docherty's in my file -

Richard Docherty and Annie MacDonald (nothing much on them)
their Son - Archibald Docherty married my great Aunt Flora Stewart, Oct 30, 1925 at St. marys.
Archie died, and Flora emigrated to new Zealand with her children -
Annie, Catherine, Florence, Pat, Vera, William and Maureen.

I also have a family of Doherty's in the Duntocher area -
Philip Doherty married Margaret Coyle , Jan 2 1899 at St. mary's. They had a wack load of kids, and lived in the Clydebank area in later years.

any connect??
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: weemo on Friday 29 February 08 17:23 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie,

Just having a nosey. How are you?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 29 February 08 17:40 GMT (UK): Hi Mo - doing good. I'm off to my swimming in about 10 minutes. Got to get rid of those Christmas lbs. tee hee....
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: old rowley on Friday 29 February 08 18:21 GMT (UK): Hi Docherty and welcome to rootschat. I have found this thread interesting as I have a (at the moment) passing interest in Duntocher as my great grandparents married there on 21st September 1885. Their names being Donald Watson and Bridget Monks, both giving their address as 7 Clydebank Terrace. Donald's parents were, Archibald Watson (a tailor) and Mary Watson nee Campbell, whilst Bridget's parents were John Monks (a labourer) and Mary Monks nee Dempsie. The reason why I said that this was a passing interest is that at the moment this is the only information that I have that links this couple with the village of Duntocher and as yet I am unsure if they both came from there, if the bride came from there or they had just worked in the area and were only married there. Later in their married life they moved to Glasgow where they stayed and bought up their family.

old rowley
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 29 February 08 22:12 GMT (UK): Quote from: docherty on Friday 29 February 08 16:02 GMT (UK)
I'd be interested in talking about DOCHERTY in Duntocher.

Hi Docherty,
Care to expand - just a little? Any first names to go with your Docherty's?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: docherty on Tuesday 04 March 08 15:59 GMT (UK): re: docherty in duntocher

debbie... i'll take a look at the people you sent.

meanwhile here's mine...

http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jdoch&id=I1

after the initial generation, there was a move to rutherglen.

anything look familiar to anyone?

john d.

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Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Tuesday 08 July 08 02:13 BST (UK): Debbie,

My late father was born in Duntocher (Gallagher) and I an therefore most interested in your connections with the Gallacher name (phonetic Scotch spelling). Could you please enlighten me?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 08 July 08 17:37 BST (UK): Hi Leagle1

I have a ton of Gallacher's in my family files - linked to the Coyles, Mochans, Morrows and Stewarts.

I very well may have info on your Gallacher lot in there, do you have any info on who your Grandparents or great grandparents were?

I think all the Gallacher's came from Ireland originally, and most probably from Donegal. There were an awful lot of Donegal families that settled in and around Duntocher.

Let me know your info, and I will check my files for you.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Wednesday 09 July 08 00:22 BST (UK): Thanks Debbie.
You are quite right - all roads lead back to Donegal (and what a challenge that particular place is!).
My father was Peter Gallagher (b. 1923 Duntocher)
My grandparents were Charles Gallagher (b. 1895 Duntocher) and Agnes McLean (b. 1901 Duntocher).
My G grandparents were Peter Gallagher (c. 1857 Toame, Donegal) and Elenora (Ellen) Quigley (c. 1867 Donegal).
My GG grandparents were Hugh Gallagher (c. 1830 Toame, Donegal) and Eleanor McGee (c. 1835 unknown Ireland).
I have lots of other detailed info that I can give you if necessary. Charles and Peter were both Cobblers or Shoemakers by trade and the trade was passed on from father to son. Peter was, by all reports an alcoholic and womaniser!! My grandmother Agnes eventually took over the Cobblers shop previously run by my grandfather when the business started to fail and she ran a general dairy/lolly shop for many years which was continued after her death. The shop is still there on Dumbarton Road opposite the soccer grounds and is still in the family but currently leased out and operated as a Florist.
Hope some of this helps - would be great to see if there are any possible connections. My family also has connections with the Cairney family who have a considerable presence in the Duntocher/Hardgate areas.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 09 July 08 17:14 BST (UK): Good morning Leagle1,

Well, I have scoured my files. Those Gallachers are such a deceiving lot!! You look at the names, and think - oh yes, I know that family... Then you check the files, and it's oops... not them!
I have come to the conclusion, that every male was either a Peter, or a Patrick, and every female was either Agnes or Ellen. LOL! ;D

I don't have any extra info on your branch of the family, but I certainly know who your Granny was. I was brought up on stories from my own Mum about Aggie Gallagher that ran the sweetie shop. :)

I may have met a couple of your cousins a few years ago in Duntocher?? My hubby and I were making a video around Auchentoshan Ave., and two fellows at the corner of Auchentoshan and Dalgleish avenue introduced themselves as descendants of your Granny.

It's probably a very safe bet that all the Gallachers in and around Duntocher were related in some way or another, proving the connections is tough when we have to rely on the Donegal records.
Like you say - a challenge!

Anyway, welcome to Rootschat Cousin! If we can't find the connection straight away, it will probably come to light with further research.
Deb :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Wednesday 09 July 08 19:58 BST (UK): Debbie,
Many thanks for that. I agree with your sentiments exactly - the damn Gallaghers do not give up their secrets particularly easily!! I laughed at your comments about the lack of choice when it came to names - rest assured that my wife and I have broken that particular mould.
You are not the first to comment on my Grandmother and the "sweetie shop" - many others have mentioned her too - I think she was something of a legend in Duntocher (the power of the sweetie huh?).
My Grandparents lived on Auchentoshan Avenue and that was where they were when my late father and his siblings were born. The folk you mentioned from Dalgleish Ave were probably the Cairneys as several of then either lived or still live there (I visited them when last there in 2005).
Let's keep in touch and share news if anything crops up - I am more than happy to share/help in any way I can. The potential connections are amazing are they not?
Cheers.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 09 July 08 21:22 BST (UK): Yes, the "power of the Sweetie" certainly did give your Granny a legendary status among the weins of Duntocher. ;D

We were last over in 2003, the year before my Mum passed away. My Granny, and Great Granny's family all stayed on Auchentoshan Avenue as well - they lived at #22.

Absolutely keep in touch! And always post your stories and new finds on the forum, you never know what memories it will twig in another researcher, or where your next cousin might be found.

Deb in Sunny Delta BC
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: eilean donan on Friday 25 July 08 22:14 BST (UK): Hi Debbie
It is possible that if you are a Coyle from Duntocher we could be connected.

Leagleeagle and I are 'kissing cousins' - not sure of our exact relationship.

I live in England, but lived in Duntocher when I was a child. There was an Isa Coyle who lived in Carleith Ave and she moved to America C 1950/60. I remember Isa had a wonderful voice and sang at local concerts. I cannot judge her age but she would be in her 70's and is still alive. Are you any relation to Isa?

Regards
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 26 July 08 17:05 BST (UK): Hi eilean donan

Yes, my Coyles are all from Duntocher. I'm not related to Isa though - I don't think!

My grandparents were Charles Coyle & Maggie Stewart. They both died in the 1950's, their children were all Duntocher folk as well - Gretta, Catherine, Annie & Tony.
They lived up on Dalgleish Avenue.

My great grandparents were Anthony Coyle and Annie Coyle (yes a Coyle married a Coyle)
Annie came from a big Duntocher family - the daughter of Bernard Coyle and Catherine McGranaghan.
Of course, the lot of them were originaly from Donegal.
Title: Cassidy family from Irleand to Duntocher
Post by: wildgoose on Saturday 26 July 08 17:22 BST (UK): Name:   James CASSIDY
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Birth:   1841   Ireland
Occupation:   Labourer
Marriage:   8 1857   County Antrim, Ireland.
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Spouse:   Sarah O'NEILL
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Birth:   1851   Ireland

Children:
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1 F:   Mary Ann CASSIDY
Birth:   1862   Ireland
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2 F:   Elizabeth CASSIDY
Birth:   1864   Ireland
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3 F:   Rose CASSIDY
Birth:   1867   Ireland
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4 M:   James CASSIDY
Birth:   1869   Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire.
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5 M:   Robert CASSIDY
Birth:   20 10 1871   Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire.
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6 M:   James CASSIDY
Birth:   8 4 1878   Walker's Land, Main St., Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire.1
Occupation:   Carter
Religion:   Roman Catholic
Spouse:   Agnes COWAN
Marriage:   3 1 1898   Roman Catholic Chapel, Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire2

Notes for James CASSIDY
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: Walkers Land
Census Place: Old Kilpatrick, DNB
James CASSIDY, head, marr., 38, Ag Lab , Ireland
Sarah O'Neil CASSIDY , wife, marr., 35, Ireland
Mary Ann , daur, 9, Ireland
Elizabeth, daur., 7, Ireland
Rose, daur., 4, Ireland
James, son, 2, DNB, Old Kilpatrick
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: Main St.
Census Place: Old Kilpatrick, DNB
James CASSIDY, head, marr., 40, Stone Breaker, Ireland.
Sarah O'Neil CASSIDY, wife, marr., 30, Ireland.
Elizabeth, daur., unm., 17, DNB, Duntocher.
Robert, son, 9, DNB, Duntocher
James, son, 3, DNB, Duntocher
Fanny ALEXANDER, visitor, unm., 18, England.

Notes for Sarah O'NEILL
1871 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Sarah O'Neil CASSIDY , wife, marr., 35, Ireland
1881 Census: Main St., Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Sarah O'Neil CASSIDY, wife, marr., 30, Ireland.
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Walkers Land
Census Place: Old Kilpatrick, DNB
Sarah O'Neil CASSIDY, head, wid., 55, Farm Worker, Ireland
Robert, son, unm., 18, General Labourer, DNB, Duntocher
James, son, 12, Scholar, DNB, Duntocher
James KELLY, Boarder, unm., 30, Road Labourer, Ireland

Notes for Mary Ann (Child 1)
1871 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Mary Ann , daur, 9, Ireland

Notes for Elizabeth (Child 2)
1871 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Elizabeth, daur., 7, Ireland
1881 Census: Main St., Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Elizabeth, daur., unm., 17, DNB, Duntocher.

Notes for Rose (Child 3)
1871 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Rose, daur., 4, Ireland

Notes for James (Child 4)
1871 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, James, son, 2, DNB, Old Kilpatrick

Notes for Robert (Child 5)
1881 Census: Main St., Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Robert, son, 9, DNB, Duntocher
1891 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, Robert, son, unm., 18, General Labourer, DNB, Duntocher

Notes for James (Child 6)
1881 Census: Main St., Old Kilpatrick, DNB, James, son, 3, DNB, Duntocher
1891 Census: Walkers Land, Old Kilpatrick, DNB, James , son, 12, Scholar, DNB, Duntocher
1901 Census: 69 Meadowhill Rows, Larkhall, LKS, James CASSIDY, son in law Wm COWAN, marr., 23, Carter, DNB, Duntocher

Sources
1. Birth cert. No.92
James CASSIDY
b.1878, Apr 8th, Walker's Land, Main St., Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick, Dunbartonshire.
f.James CASSIDY, stone breaker.
m.Sarah CASSIDY, ms O'NEILL
marr.1857, Aug, Antrim, Ireland.
inf.James CASSIDY, his X mark, father.
reg.1878, Apr 26th, Old Kilpatrick, DNB.
2. Marriage cert. No.3
1898, Jan 3rd, Roman Catholic Chapel, Duntocher, Old Kilpatrick, DNB
banns Roman Catholic
sign.James CASSIDY, Carter, bach., 19.
ures.Main Street, Duntocher.
f.James CASSIDY, Labourer, decd.
m.Sarah CASSIDY, ms O'NEIL
sign.Agnes COWAN, Farm Servant, spin., 22
ures.Main Street, Duntocher.
f.William COWAN, Coal miner.
m.Caherine COWAN, ms HARPER, decd.
min.Robert PATERSON
wits.James DOCHERTY & Sarah DOCHERTY.
reg.Dalmuir, DNB
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 26 July 08 17:36 BST (UK): Wow! Nice lot of Cassidy's and other Duntocher names there! :)

My Mother's great friend at St. Mary's school in the 1930's was Annie Cassidy - they used to tease each other by finding worms and chasing one another.
Much better than video games - don't you agree? LOL! ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PJL88 on Tuesday 09 September 08 02:35 BST (UK): Hi Leagle1,

It seems that we're related. My great great grandparents were Peter Gallagher and Ellen Quigley and my great grandfather was Edward, Charlie Gallagher's elder brother. I'd be very interested in any information which you may have.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: genieus on Friday 19 September 08 23:03 BST (UK): Hi folks,
I'm still pretty new to all this family history business but have been looking into my paternal side of things initially and I've come across a few ancestors who come for Duntocher.
My own family name is Duffy and we come from Clydebank but tracing thing back I have found a few Gallachers from Duntocher.
My great grandparents were Partick Duffy and Rose Ann Gallacher.

Rose Ann was born in Duntocher 1878. She had nine siblings:
Catherine born 1859
Mary born 1861 (in Ardrie I think)
John born 1863
Thomas born 1865
Patrick born 1867
James born 1870 died 1876
Bridget born 1874
Michael born 18/2/1876 died 22/2/1876
Joseph born 1876 (twin to Michael).

Their parents were Thomas Gallacher born 1836 in Ireland died 1919 in Duntocher and Mary Handlin born 1840 (Ireland I think) married 1858.

Parents of Thomas were: Thomas Gallacher and Bridget McBride.

Parents of Mary were: John Handlin and Mary Cougan.

John Handlin father was Arnold (I think) and Mary Cougans father was Michael (again I think).

I don't know if anyone can shed any further light on any of these, but any information that can be gleaned would be most appreciated.

Thanks for looking.

Gerry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 19 September 08 23:29 BST (UK): Hi Gerry,
I can't shed any light on your great grandparents, but I can tell you that your Patrick, b. 1867 married my Helen Mochan, 29 Aug 1890,
Duntocher, and his sister Bridget, b. 1874 married Helen's cousin Dennis Mochan 17 Jul 1891, Duntocher.
Known children for Patrick & Helen Gallacher: Mary 1890, Joseph 1892, John 1894
Known children for Dennis & Bridget Mochan: Margaret 1892, Grace 1895, Catherine 1896, William 1898, Helen 1900, Charles 1905

Hope this info is of use to you,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 19 September 08 23:52 BST (UK): I forgot to mention ...
Mary Handlin's (Hanlin/Hanlon) father John was with Thomas & Mary Gallacher during the 1871 Census, Old Street, Old Kilpatrick.
He was listed as 85, born Ireland.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: firsttimer on Sunday 21 September 08 14:17 BST (UK): Hello, I'm new here. Very intersted in all the previous replies. No connections to my family so far though.

I'd really be interested to know if anyone on here has any recollection of a family called McDermid. Mum and Dad John and Margaret. Children: Barbara (my great granny), Donald, Sarah, Patrick, Mary, Christina and Isabella. All of these children were born around 1885 - 1896 and all have addresses at Veitch's Court, Duntocher. I have more information on them if anyone has any connection or handed down memories.

Thanks

firsttimer
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Duffy11 on Saturday 01 November 08 12:25 GMT (UK): Quote from: JCibz on Friday 09 November 07 22:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie,

I wonder if your Dochertys are the same as mine.
Daniel Docherty Ag labourer born Ireland (1810 - 1821) married to Ann Docherty ( nee Morran or Morraw) born Ireland about 1810. Children William born 1839 Ireland, Catherine born 1841 Ireland and Thomas born 1845 Ireland. The family are on the 1851 census living at main street, back court, Duntocher.

Catherine married twice. 1st to James Campbell in Duntocher on Oct 28th 1859 and then to Daniel Gill . She died 28th Feb 1926.

I would love to hear from you about your Dochertys.
Julie

Hi, I am in middle of doing my family tree, I am quite interested in what you have in Morrow/Morron as i think it is Morrow- I have so far on mine
Philip Gill and Bridget Morrow, son William Gill

William Gill married to Mary Marshall - her parents were Richard Marshall and a Mary, cant work out surname

I have Docherty somewhere - I've a Sarah Docherty married to William Duffy, Sarah's parents are James Docherty and Catherine Docherty nee Kane. William Duffy's parents are William Duffy and Margaret Duffy nee McDade. As you can see my forum Duntocher- Duffy as you may see some more links if it is what you are looking for and if we have the right connection as I am still working out if this is my family tree as I'm working from my dad's parent's names backwards- which goes to William Joseph Duffy Married to Elizabeth Murray, as I've focused on my dad's family tree- his parents William Joseph Duffy married to Mary Gill-

Then I've William's parents- Edward Duffy married to Annie Mc Murray
Edward's parents Edward Duffy married to Catherine McDade, Annies parents Torrence McMurray married to Annie McGuire?

Mary Gill's parents- William Gill married to Mary Marshall,
William's parents- Philip Gill and Bridget - can't read her surname.
Mary's parents- Richard Marshal and Mary- can't read surname either.

Hope someone has a lead on this to fill my holes!

lil
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: d963 on Tuesday 11 November 08 23:28 GMT (UK): I'm trying to track down information on John Stewart.

According to his death certificate, he was born in Duntocher in 1817. However, the 1851 Canada West census has him being born in 1821. He died in June 1873 in Lanark County, Ontario.

His wife was Agnes Currie, born in 1821 in Lanark County, Canada West. Agnes' father was a Daniel Currie and her mother was Jane Stewart. Both of whom died in Lanark County, Ontario.

That's all I've got, which isn't much.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: robc4708 on Saturday 13 December 08 01:06 GMT (UK): I am descended from Hugh Gallagher through his daughter Ellen who married Hugh Molloy in Donegal before moving to Glasgow and then Duntocher. My mother was born in Duntocher in 1927. She is interested in contacting others and sharing her history of the village.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: eilean donan on Sunday 14 December 08 00:16 GMT (UK): Hi
My Gran was Mary Duffy(nee Kelly- lived in Duntocher all her life) and was a cousin to Maggie Malloy. I think both girls might have worked at the Mill when the were very young. Granny was a full cousin to Charlie Gallagher. (We all have to be some sort of ''kissing cousins''!)

My mother Teresa was born in Duntocher in 1925. I have contacted Mums cousin Margaret Kelly ( lived in Hillend Cres) who now lives in Leeds and put together various bits of a family tree.

I live in England but visit Duntocher; I was in Toamme last year and took some photographs. I would love to exchange information and also learn some history of the village.
Love to hear from you soon.

Regard Ros
Merry Christmas everyone
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: robc4708 on Sunday 14 December 08 00:46 GMT (UK): Hi,

It is great to hear from you. I'm not sure just how the Duffys and Kellys are related to the Molloys, or is it the Dempsey's? That is part of the family tree that I don't have sorted. I do know that my grandfather John Molloy's mother was Ellen Gallagher. Her father was Hugh Gallagher.
I still have an uncle living in Duntocher. He was married to my mum's sister who died a few years ago.
We live in Canada and my mum lives quite far from me, but she will be visiting in the new year and we plan on spending some time going over family history. Maybe we can arrange something then, or perhaps earlier.

Happy Christmas to you all,

Rob
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: robc4708 on Sunday 14 December 08 12:06 GMT (UK): I erred in saying that my great grandmother was Ellen Gallagher. Her name was Mary.

ON May 12, 1878 Hugh Molloy and Mary Gallagher were married in Saint Johnston. Hugh was 27 and Mary was 18. His residence was Tinkerford and hers was Newtowncunningham. Their fathers were Hugh Molloy and Hugh Gallagher.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Monday 15 December 08 03:37 GMT (UK): Quote from: PJL88 on Tuesday 09 September 08 02:35 BST (UK)
Hi Leagle1,

It seems that we're related. My great great grandparents were Peter Gallagher and Ellen Quigley and my great grandfather was Edward, Charlie Gallagher's elder brother. I'd be very interested in any information which you may have.

Could you please contact me to discuss our "connections" further. Would love to hear from you.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: ladyfingers on Sunday 18 January 09 05:57 GMT (UK): hello, your post interested me,because I am coming to scotland in may. looking for my maternal grandparents, john mcphail munro and margaret fowler milne munro. they lived in mcgowns land hardgate duntocher,had six daughters, lizzie,margaret,mattie,lettie mollie and jeanie. will be going to edinburgh to search for birth record and try to find out where they are buried,they were married june 25 1909 in glasgow, grandad served in ww1 and apparently was mustard gassed,so, do not know when he died. gran munro died 1940/41.my mum jeanie was the youngest and was born jan 1 1922.
If you know anything about the family, I would be most grateful, need anything from canada? I'm your lassie.
best regards.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jarrett on Friday 13 February 09 21:17 GMT (UK): I think this might be my John Stewart - not sure

I have an awkward sized and shapen picture to share.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Sunday 15 February 09 15:38 GMT (UK): Hi Jarret

Was checking the site and found you lisiting I also have a john
stewart in my family

regards
winniep
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: wms on Tuesday 03 March 09 22:49 GMT (UK): my dad was john stewart his dad was geordie stewart can any one tell me about my dad as a wee boy a dad he was the best he was papa to many but most off all my dad my email is
w.stew67@ntl.worlrd.com le me known your stories
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 04 March 09 01:13 GMT (UK): Hi wms,
Your dad was John Stewart, son of Geordie? Would that be Wee Geordie married to Gretta McGrory?
If so, John was my cousin.
Helen
b.t.w - I tried your email address, it bounced back ??
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: wms on Wednesday 04 March 09 20:48 GMT (UK): Quote from: Helen on Wednesday 04 March 09 01:13 GMT (UK)
Hi wms,
Your dad was John Stewart, son of Geordie? Would that be Wee Geordie married to Gretta McGrory?
If so, John was my cousin.
Helen
b.t.w - I tried your email address, it bounced back ??
that is my dad sorry about the email address its w.stewart67@ntlworld.com
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 04 March 09 21:57 GMT (UK): Hello again wms,
I've sent you an email. :)

and Ann ... thank you so much for your email, I appreciate your info,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Bankiegirl on Wednesday 04 March 09 23:38 GMT (UK): Quote from: firsttimer on Sunday 21 September 08 14:17 BST (UK)
Hello, I'm new here. Very intersted in all the previous replies. No connections to my family so far though.

I'd really be interested to know if anyone on here has any recollection of a family called McDermid. Mum and Dad John and Margaret. Children: Barbara (my great granny), Donald, Sarah, Patrick, Mary, Christina and Isabella. All of these children were born around 1885 - 1896 and all have addresses at Veitch's Court, Duntocher. I have more information on them if anyone has any connection or handed down memories.

Thanks

firsttimer
Hi firsttimer,
I just found this site tonite and am quite excited to find the name McDermid.
John and Margaret were my great grandparents, I think Margaret's maiden name was Kelly.
Christina was my grandmother, but sadly died before I was born.
I'd love to find out more if you have any information.
Bankiegirl XXX
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Malin on Friday 06 March 09 09:14 GMT (UK): Quote from: Helen on Wednesday 04 March 09 01:13 GMT (UK)
Hi wms,
Your dad was John Stewart, son of Geordie? Would that be Wee Geordie married to Gretta McGrory?
If so, John was my cousin.
Helen
b.t.w - I tried your email address, it bounced back ??

There seems to be a lot of relations of Greta McGrory, Morrison, Stewart on here. Can I claim to be one also?

My grandmother Elizabeth Farren is Greta's aunt.

The Farren and McGrory familes are both from the area around Culdaff village in Inshowen.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 06 March 09 19:56 GMT (UK): Welcome to the forum Malin :)
I'm sure you will be getting a reply from winniep - Greta was her grandmother.
I'm from the Stewart line myself, and don't know much about the McGrory's,
although I do converse with John's cousin Jim McGrory, a lovely man.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Malin on Saturday 07 March 09 00:16 GMT (UK): I would reckon we are talking about Ann.

Jim is also my relation as was John Stewart in the usual Duntocher way.

Though staying in Duntocher most of my days, I do not see people much as I work away a lot.

I was just shocked when I saw my "Aunt" Greta's name and then the host of ghosts and memories from the past in the remaining thread.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Saturday 07 March 09 11:42 GMT (UK): Hi Malin

its winniep here great to hear from you I am researching the morrison side of the family and you really suprised me with the information about my grandmothers aunt I have been looking for information on them and could not find any

hope to hear from you soon.

Regards

ann
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 07 March 09 21:46 GMT (UK): Hi Malin,
Small world isn't it? I've never actually met Jim because I live in Australia, but it was my cousin John (Stewart) who introduced us - via email. John couldn't speak highly enough of him. Whenever I have a query Jim never fails to to what he can for me, you do have
lovely relations. :)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Malin on Sunday 08 March 09 01:18 GMT (UK): The Farrens lived in a place called Oldtown,near Culdaff in Inishowen, Co. Donegal.

My grandfather, James McDaid eloped to Scotland with my grandmother Elizabeth Farren and married in Greenock in 1899.
Their journey to Greenock was predicated by the prescence there of Elizabeth's and Mary's brother, Conn Farren.

Greta's mother,Mary and her husband Joseph McGrory lived in Derry where Greta was born and they stayed there for a period and were living in the Duntocher/ Clydebank area in Scotland by the time of the arrival of my grandparents to firstly to Clydebank and then eventually Duntocher.

Their reasons for migration being similar to that of my grandparents being the availability of work on Clydeside and the prescence of family members already there.

My grandparents appear in the 1901 census in Livingstone Street and four years later their third child, John is born and shown as registered in 35 New Street in Duntocher.

My grandparents then remained living in Duntocher alongside the rest of their Farren/ McGrory connection until their deaths.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Sunday 08 March 09 10:54 GMT (UK): Hi Malin

thanks for the information its was really helpful and cleared up a few things I did not know now I can tie it in with my grandmothers connection with the morrisons and thats another chapter complete

regards

ann
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Thursday 09 April 09 12:03 BST (UK): Hi,
not sure where to start here. Finding this site very interesting. My Dad stayed in Duntocher all his life, his name was Frank Kelly, he had 2 sisters and 1 brother who died in 1935. His mother was Agnes Cassidy, died in 1993 and his father was Patrick Kelly who died in 1942.
I read a post about someone knowing Annie Cassidy, I'm sure that would be my Dads Auntie.
Dad stayed in Carleith Ave and Old Street in Duntocher. Then they moved to Hillend Cresc.
Anyone know them?
Would be good to know more about my Dads childhood as he recently passed away. I loved him telling all his stories...mostly football!!
Thanks
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Thursday 09 April 09 12:11 BST (UK): Quote from: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 26 July 08 17:36 BST (UK)
Wow! Nice lot of Cassidy's and other Duntocher names there! :)

My Mother's great friend at St. Mary's school in the 1930's was Annie Cassidy - they used to tease each other by finding worms and chasing one another.
Much better than video games - don't you agree? LOL! ;D

Hi Debbie,
my Dads mother was Agnes Cassidy from Duntocher and she had a sister Annie. Not sure if it's the same person or not.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: angibabe on Thursday 27 August 09 13:29 BST (UK): hi all . oh what a great website . i had family in duntocher ( casey s ) and we had kelly relatives 2 there ... HI marie , just came across this website most of our family moved to australia ( peter marie & family)and would love 2 know where they went
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Thursday 27 August 09 15:43 BST (UK): Quote from: angibabe on Thursday 27 August 09 13:29 BST (UK)
hi all . oh what a great website . i had family in duntocher ( casey s ) and we had kelly relatives 2 there ... HI marie , just came across this website most of our family moved to australia ( peter marie & family)and would love 2 know where they went

Hi Ange, do I know you? Are you Gerrys daughter?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: angibabe on Thursday 27 August 09 15:46 BST (UK): hi marie . yes i am , we met at his funeral there in april . hows things ? x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: catkin19 on Sunday 13 September 09 21:13 BST (UK): My mother was from Duntocher too. She was the daughter of Denis O'Connor from Tralee (died 1933) and Mary Cassidy (b. 19.8.1872). Her aunt was Agnes Cassidy ( b. 7.4.1874) who married Joseph McNeil in 1926 and they kept a shop; there was also a brother, Patrick...............and another brother, Francis Cassidy, b. 7.8.1883, who was illegitimate. I'm curious to know what happened to Francis............he married a Maggie Callachan 9.4.1904, and they had twin babies Kate and Mary 7.10.1904. Kate died a few weeks old, but I can't trace what happened to Mary, or to Francis and Maggie. They all lived in Old Street. Anyone know?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: billytonner on Thursday 12 November 09 18:40 GMT (UK): Quote from: Marie Kelly on Thursday 09 April 09 12:03 BST (UK)
Hi,
not sure where to start here. Finding this site very interesting. My Dad stayed in Duntocher all his life, his name was Frank Kelly, he had 2 sisters and 1 brother who died in 1935. His mother was Agnes Cassidy, died in 1993 and his father was Patrick Kelly who died in 1942.
I read a post about someone knowing Annie Cassidy, I'm sure that would be my Dads Auntie.
Dad stayed in Carleith Ave and Old Street in Duntocher. Then they moved to Hillend Cresc.
Anyone know them?
Would be good to know more about my Dads childhood as he recently passed away. I loved him telling all his stories...mostly football!!
Thanks
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: billytonner on Thursday 12 November 09 18:42 GMT (UK): Marie,
We can only know the same Frankie Kelly.
Billy
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Thursday 12 November 09 22:31 GMT (UK): Hi Billy,

How do you know Frank?

Are you related to the Williams?

Have an idea who you are.

Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: billytonner on Thursday 12 November 09 23:00 GMT (UK): Yes, Jean is my cousin. I knew Frank very well when I was a teenager but we lost touch when I left Scotland in 1969. He was a great guy who helped me a lot.
Billy
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Thursday 12 November 09 23:15 GMT (UK): Hi Billy,

I remember who you are now.

Yes Dad was agreat guy, had his faults like all of us but on the whole he was great. Thank you for that.

He passed away Dec 08, sadly. Still miss him every day but we had a few good years to get to know ech other and my kids adored him too.

How are you and your family?

Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: billytonner on Friday 13 November 09 08:28 GMT (UK): Hi Marie,
I'm in Plymouth, my two sons, James and Andy are both in London, Andy is married with two kids and Jane is in West Africa. I still occasionally get back to Clydebank. Good to be in touch with you. You can get me on my work email which is plymouthlabourpaataoldotcom
Billy
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 31 December 09 00:31 GMT (UK): I'd just like to wish all our 'Duntocher families' a safe & happy New Year, and successful researching in 2010.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: karenlily on Tuesday 23 February 10 11:05 GMT (UK): I I wondered if anybody has any information on the Dochertys of Duntocher. My husbands grandfather was Albert James Dockery born in Duntocher 1901 and married Ann Hamilton in 1919 St Patricks Church. His father was Patrick Dockery from Ireland who married Sarah Judge and died in New Street, Duntocher in 1915. They lived in New Street, Duntocher. Thanks
Title: Re: The O'Conners of Duntocher
Post by: myyran on Monday 15 March 10 01:07 GMT (UK): Hi Catkin19
Just stumbled onto this website....Its probably a wee bit late in the day...me getting in touch with you,as by now I'm sure someone has given you all the info you have been asking for.
I would take a guess and say you were either Katie or Molly's daughter or maybe Patricia from New Zealand.My mother and I looked after Auntie Mary who my mother looked on as her other Mother.
We looked after Auntie Aggie as well but she had Uncle Joe and they got along just fine.Your Grandmother was as you know widowed young,so we spent more time with her.I have photo's of Auntie Aggie and Your Grandmother when they were both young girls, they were both beautiful ladies.
Let me know if you would like me to tell all that I can remember..it was so long ago,but to me it was such a lovely time for my Mother and I.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Tuesday 23 March 10 22:27 GMT (UK): hi, my grandmother Sara Meechan Stewart was married to Thomas Stewart (son of William and Flora) in 1913. I've been doing research on Thomas, I know he was in the Scottish Rifles in 1916, but that's as far as I can get! ???I would be grateful for any information any one can offer. :) thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 24 March 10 05:59 GMT (UK): Hi Margaret Sarah,
I'm a little confused ... do you have any proof that your Thomas was the son of William & Flora Stewart? Because Thomas son of William & Flora was my Uncle Tommy, and he was married to Cissy (or Sissy) Sweeney. Thomas was the 4th of 14 children (my mother was the 13th). I'm so intrigued by your posting I can hardly wait for your reply. ???
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 24 March 10 10:05 GMT (UK): An afterthought - could Sara be Sissy? Also, was it your Mother or your Father who was a Stewart? I only have 3 sons for Thomas - Barney, Hugh & John. That's not to say he didn't have more, but they are the only ones that I'm aware of. And finally - do you have any photos of Thomas? I do, perhaps we could compair?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Wednesday 24 March 10 12:21 GMT (UK): hi Helen, I'm sure I'm on to the same Stewart's perhaps a different generation! I have a Birth Certificate here of a Thomas Murray Stewart born on July 10Th 1893 in old Kilpatrick Dumbartonshire. His father was William Stewart (Riveter) his Mother was Flora Stewart M.S. Murray. I also have a Marriage certificate of the same Thomas Murray Stewart which took place on 26Th (I think) November 1913. (Same parents as above for Thomas) usual residence; Jennyhouse Duntocher. Spouse reads Sarah Meechan (who was my Grandmother) usual residence looks like 12 Buchanan Street Dalmuir. I believe they lived at one point in 64 Douglas st Partick. I was confused myself with Sissy Sweeney, I thought the Sissy could be Sarah but puzzled with "Sweeney". This site is amazing, and I came on it just by typing up "Jennyhouse"....Amazing. I have a wee bit info but would prefer contacting you by e mail if possible. here's mine; Kind Regards. Margaret. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 24 March 10 15:48 GMT (UK): Hi Margaret, hi Helen,

Sarah Meechan? That is a new one to me as well. I have grown up with my Mam's family stories, and Tommy's wife was always referred to as Sissy Sweeney. I agree that Sissy is probably a nickname for Sarah. But how does the Sweeney fit in? Could it be that Sarah was maried previously? Margaret, is she noted to be a spinster on the marriage cert?
The other thing could be a parentage thing. You know how great our family was for giving people their proper names! My Mum was alsways known as Gretta Stewart - despite being raised by Charlie Coyle - same thing for Margaret Stewart. Not a soul in the family ever used the name Addison for her
Don't you love a good mystery!

Here's a couple of pictures of Tommy. Mum absolutely adored him, and the stories of his abilities with animals are legendary
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 24 March 10 15:51 GMT (UK): I should clarify the photo's - Tommy in the middle of the 1st pic, holding the wee dog. Tommy in his typical Cagney pose outside of Filshies in photo 2, second from the left
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Wednesday 24 March 10 17:28 GMT (UK): Hi again, no, Sarah Meechan was only 17 when she married Thomas and yes, spinster (yarn worker) was written in the marriage certificate. The photos are great!! I beleive Thomas was in the scottish rifles, am I correct? The other photo, Thomas is second left with no bunnet on; am I correct? I just can't beleive I've actually seen these photo, I can't thank you enough for this. What about Thomas did he perhaps re marry later on? Sarah Meechan did!! What family did Thomas have?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 25 March 10 03:08 GMT (UK): Hi Margaret Sarah, - and Hi cousin Deb :-)
Well I don't know about you Debbie, but I am stunned, completely stunned!! My whole life I grew up hearing about Uncle Tommy & Sissy Sweeney,
I still don't know what to make of it, althought Margaret Sarah you have undeniable proof that it is indeed his marriage. Which probably explains why neither Debbie or I could find his marriage.
I have written all this here for the benefit of forum readers, because it's hardly fair for them not to be privvy to outcomes of topics, but I will take you up on the offer of more private evidence now, as I'm sure Debbie will too, unless she's already beat me to it. :-)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 25 March 10 03:40 GMT (UK): Margaret Sarah, go back and remove the @ from your email address, or remove the address completely now that I have it, you don't want spammers!!
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Thursday 25 March 10 10:23 GMT (UK): Thanks Helen, I'll do that right away. I'll contact you by E Mail, x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 27 March 10 00:09 GMT (UK): Winniep, do you have anything to add to the conversation? Any little bits of info on Uncle Tommy? Join in :)

Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Tuesday 06 April 10 20:42 BST (UK): hello again everyon e, its been a long time since ive been on this site but find it fascinating as always. at presrn father joe mills has me setting up a new website for st mary's church and it would be a crying shame not to include an archive section , the history of st marys parish is very much the history of the people of duntocher , the site is still in its infancy and the archive section is only days old, in fact its still needing total approval of the parich council to allow things to be taken forward. but i beleif in striking while the iron is hot hence in hope that it gets the full nod can i prime you good folk if you have any old photos of the church or old movie clips or whatever even special stories then can you maybe dig them out in anticpation. the site has its own email address and if youve anyhting you might feel is worthy of being included you can email that address..in the intermim maybe check it out its at
www.stmarysrc.webs.com
cheers
harry carey
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 07 April 10 02:38 BST (UK): Thanks for the link Harry, I'll be keeping an eye on it. My parents were married in St. Mary's.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Thursday 08 April 10 17:20 BST (UK): hi helen , good to hear from you and i am hoping that you and other folk who use this roots site will drop in to st marys parish site from time to time , im very much of the mind that its being set up as a parish ...community site and for it to really work im looking for people who have had a connection with st marys for whatever reason over the years to feel that they can contribite to the site. pictures is def the way to go , old movie clips even better, the clip thats palying at present is from a dvd that jim smith put together of several old reels of film that captured the st marys scouts trip to rome i think 1964. my dad was the scout master at that time and ive seen the dvd in it entirety ..its a fantastic look back to that era and even despite the quality of the film ..it runs for about 15 minutes or so intotal its easy even for me to make out many of the faces. ideally once approval is given many more clips like that can be added to the site, hence please do spread the word...........
cheers again
harry carey jnr.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Saturday 24 April 10 11:42 BST (UK): Hi there

Helen here from Christchurch, New Zealand. I'm interested in your photos - they were taken outside Filshies? Filshies what? My 4xg grandmother was Ann Filshie (twin sister of Agnes) b: 18 July 1797 in Dalnottar. Ann Filshie married John Paul of Carleith.

I have been going through some of my records and if there is anyone 'out there' related to William Craig and Elizabeth Reid of Duntocher, I have a Kirk Sessions record I'd be happy to share. Also one re Robert Watson (Little Mill) and Agnes Brown of Dunerbuck.

Hi Lindsay if you are 'out there'.

Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 25 April 10 03:00 BST (UK): Hi Helen,
Fishies pub ... at least that is how I always heard it referred as.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: tico on Saturday 15 May 10 14:19 BST (UK): Hi everyone i'm new to this so please forgive me. I am trying to trace my husbands family history. His family name is Cairney and he lived in Dalgleish Avenue in Duntocher. Four houses in Dalgleish Avenue are still occupied by the Cairneys including my in-laws! Tracing back i have come to a halt as my husbands greatgrandfather was a Peter Gallagher. My husbands great grandparents were never married and he never met his great grandparents so i have come to a complete halt.
I would also like some help with his grandmother Julia Gallagher also from Duntocher.

Please help!!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 16 May 10 00:26 BST (UK): Hi Tico,
Welcome to the forum. :)
Can you give us any info that would help finding them in the Census' ? Approx ages? Names?
I have 2 Peter Gallachers in my own files. Any details you can give would be helpful.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: tico on Sunday 16 May 10 12:26 BST (UK): Great to hear from you. Here goes!!

Peter Gallagher and Annie McLaughlin had a child called Julia Gallagher (also known as Julia Cairney) because at the time of Julia's birth Annie was still married to John Cairney (but thats another mystery for another day) on 24th August 1906. She was born in Old Street in Duntocher. No marriage certificate can be found so i assume they did not marry. On Julia's birth certificate it states that Peter was a general labourer, but on Julia's death certificate it states that he was a shoemaker.

Looking back on the sight i read that Legale1's grandfather was a Peter Gallagher who was in Duntocher and was a bit of a ladies man!!! Could this be the elusive man i'm looking for? She also states that she has connections to the Cairney family, gets more and more interesting!

Would be great if you could help or even point me in the right direction. Hope small amount of info is some help.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 17 May 10 00:17 BST (UK): Hi Tico,
Julia Gallacher or McLaughlin was married to a Cairney ,Charlie I think his name was , they had a large family,and I think they were all boy's. All grew up in Hillend crescent ...after the family got married, left home etc Julia moved to Craigielea Road in Duntocher. She also worked in the Glenhead Tavern for many years,and is fondly remembered by many. There are many Cairney's dotted all over the world.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 17 May 10 02:15 BST (UK): Hi Tico,
I see you are in the capable hands of myyran - a wonderful source of all things Duntocher. ;D
My 2 Peter's aren't yours, sorry. My Peter married Catherine Mochan, and they had a son also named Peter.
But I'm sure you will get more info on your family if you stay tuned. ;)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: tico on Monday 17 May 10 10:49 BST (UK): Hi myyran

The Julia Cairney you referred to is my husbands grandmother. She was married to John Cairney and they had nine boys and one girl, three of the boys and their families live in Dalgleish Ave. Charlie Cairney was one of her sons and is my father-in-law. I am trying to find out about Julia's mother and father (Annie Mclaughlin and Peter Gallagher) and also John Cairney's mother and father, who i have no information on. If you can help it would be great. These Cairneys are such a large family and widespread!! By the way the lady from the sweetie shop was my father-in-laws auntie Agnes.

Hope to hear from you with more info.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Monday 17 May 10 23:18 BST (UK): Hi Tico,

I am certainly able to help you with the Cairney side of things as well as the Gallagher side. Peter Gallagher was my Great Grandfather and I have a lifetime's worth of info and stories. I am sure that I can assist. I am currently working hard on even more Gallagher research which is starting to throw up some very interesting facts. Agnes (the sweetie lady) was my Grandmother.
I would also like to hear from anyone else who is interested in the Gallagher family from Duntocher - the more the merrier.
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Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Wednesday 19 May 10 19:40 BST (UK): hello again everyone ,im here to let you know that everything is now in place with st marys archive section , so what we now need is your photos , old movie clips or the likes . if you have anyhting at all that ties in with st marys church over the years and the older the better then please drop the website a line preferably with a photo or two included. now i know that im asking alot but i am hoping that it may work to the advantage of folk who post on this site and seek information since any interest that it generates can only be of benefit to those folk who seek info here on rootschat.
hence please consider helping with thsi venture.
cheers

harry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Saturday 29 May 10 00:19 BST (UK): hi folks , today Ive managed thanks to jim smith been able to acquire some photos of something that youve probably heard and has been heard in duntocher for over a 100 years ...but very very few people have ever seen ...

check out www.stmarysrc.webs.com website to see pictures and bit of history of st mary's bell , that has rung out through the village for a century ....

and discover the unique engraving on the bell......youll find the pics and other in the archive section and please if youve got a photo or amemory youd like to contribute then please contact the website

harry carey
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: joq1958 on Tuesday 15 June 10 11:32 BST (UK): Hi, my grandfather was PATRICK GALLAGHER married to Elizabeth ? on 1901 census for Paisley.

Patrick 45 from Ireland
Elizabeth 33 from Herd Renfrewshire
John 7
Elizabeth 3 (my great grandmother)
Michael J 1 year
and
Edward Gallagher 30.

Does anyone know what happened to this family after 1901?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Wednesday 14 July 10 18:28 BST (UK): hi again everyone just a wee update , the st marys website archive section is continuing to to grow , what we now have is copies of the 1954 church opening booklet online and the 2004 jubilee booklet as well, what it would be great to know who some of the folk are in the 1954 booklet photos , hence if anyone on this site can put names to faces then please do drop the website an email the address is on the site.
cheer again

harry carey

www.stmarysrc.webs.com
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: timaru on Wednesday 11 August 10 17:53 BST (UK): My grandfather James Stewart is the man at the left of photo, the one outside filshies. 8)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 12 August 10 00:26 BST (UK): So he is standing next to my uncle Tommy Stewart, yes? That's brilliant. ;D
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: timaru on Friday 13 August 10 14:30 BST (UK): Yes that's James, infact I think it may be a photo of all brothers. Hope you got my email this time thought it had gone through yesterday but having bother with internet connection. :(
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Seam on Wednesday 18 August 10 13:29 BST (UK): Hi there

Who's your husband as he must be my cousin? The actual spelling of the name is Dockery. Albert died before I was born and my granny (Annie) died when I was a teenager. Their family consisted of Albert, Patrick, Andrew, Beasie & Mary (twins) but Mary died when young, William and Brenda. My cousin has researched the family back over the last two hundred years and has the family tree so if you'd like more info I'm sure I can put you in touch with him. Regards :D

Quote from: karenlily on Tuesday 23 February 10 11:05 GMT (UK)
I I wondered if anybody has any information on the Dochertys of Duntocher. My husbands grandfather was Albert James Dockery born in Duntocher 1901 and married Ann Hamilton in 1919 St Patricks Church. His father was Patrick Dockery from Ireland who married Sarah Judge and died in New Street, Duntocher in 1915. They lived in New Street, Duntocher. Thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Seam on Wednesday 18 August 10 13:49 BST (UK): Hi Helen

Just scrolling through and noticed your message above the one I've just posted and if it's the same Cuthbertson family I'm thinking of then I might be able to shed some light. Annie Dockery's (nee Hamilton, my granny) sister Mary married a Cuthbertson and most of the family still live in Duntocher. Let me know if you need any more info on that line of the family as I could get in touch with them for you.

Regards

Quote from: Helen on Thursday 12 August 10 00:26 BST (UK)
So he is standing next to my uncle Tommy Stewart, yes? That's brilliant. ;D
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 19 August 10 01:02 BST (UK): Hi Seam,
Thanks for the offer, that's very kind of you. I can't see any obvious link at the moment, but I'll certainly
keep you in mind. :)
Regards, Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: karenlily on Saturday 21 August 10 23:59 BST (UK): Hi my husband is Jonathan Brian Dockery, Patrick James was his dad, Albert James his grandad. We are intouch with William Dockery? So how are you related?

Quote from: Seam on Wednesday 18 August 10 13:29 BST (UK)
Hi there

Who's your husband as he must be my cousin? The actual spelling of the name is Dockery. Albert died before I was born and my granny (Annie) died when I was a teenager. Their family consisted of Albert, Patrick, Andrew, Beasie & Mary (twins) but Mary died when young, William and Brenda. My cousin has researched the family back over the last two hundred years and has the family tree so if you'd like more info I'm sure I can put you in touch with him. Regards :D

Quote from: karenlily on Tuesday 23 February 10 11:05 GMT (UK)
I I wondered if anybody has any information on the Dochertys of Duntocher. My husbands grandfather was Albert James Dockery born in Duntocher 1901 and married Ann Hamilton in 1919 St Patricks Church. His father was Patrick Dockery from Ireland who married Sarah Judge and died in New Street, Duntocher in 1915. They lived in New Street, Duntocher. Thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Seam on Monday 23 August 10 07:28 BST (UK): Hiya

I'm one of Billy's (William) daughters; Susan and your husbands dad was always known to me as uncle Patsy. You've mentioned you're in touch with William Dockery, is it recent contact as I spoke to him the other night and let him know about your message and we couldn't figure out who you were. He's the one I mentioned in the first posting and has all the info you could ever want about the family and then some.

I've lived down South for years but still get back up the road now and then and there's still a lot of family living in Duntocher but as I mentioned I'm sure William will let you know the who's who of our family.

I've got a rare picture of your father in law performing in a school play at the village hall which I've been meaning to send to William for the tree for as long. If I can get it well scanned (as it's not very good quality) would you like me to send it?

Quote from: karenlily on Saturday 21 August 10 23:59 BST (UK)
Hi my husband is Jonathan Brian Dockery, Patrick James was his dad, Albert James his grandad. We are intouch with William Dockery? So how are you related?

Quote from: Seam on Wednesday 18 August 10 13:29 BST (UK)
Hi there

Who's your husband as he must be my cousin? The actual spelling of the name is Dockery. Albert died before I was born and my granny (Annie) died when I was a teenager. Their family consisted of Albert, Patrick, Andrew, Beasie & Mary (twins) but Mary died when young, William and Brenda. My cousin has researched the family back over the last two hundred years and has the family tree so if you'd like more info I'm sure I can put you in touch with him. Regards :D

Quote from: karenlily on Tuesday 23 February 10 11:05 GMT (UK)
I I wondered if anybody has any information on the Dochertys of Duntocher. My husbands grandfather was Albert James Dockery born in Duntocher 1901 and married Ann Hamilton in 1919 St Patricks Church. His father was Patrick Dockery from Ireland who married Sarah Judge and died in New Street, Duntocher in 1915. They lived in New Street, Duntocher. Thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 27 August 10 00:46 BST (UK): timaru, can you put a name to the other men in the photo? I'd love to know exactly who they are.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Saturday 28 August 10 16:08 BST (UK): hello everyone , another update from st marys website duntocher, thanks to william dockery we have new photos in the archive section , photos dating back to the 1950's and 60's , it would be good if we could put some names to the faces, ie the ladies form the womans guild circa late 50's,

please do check this out , you may have something that you may wish to contribute, the website has already had enquires from as far afield as the usa from folk tracing family routes, it may be worth notjing that the archive section while attached to the main parish website isnt actually church specific. hence please dont feel that its only concerned about the 'history' of st marys..im happy for it to include just as much of the history of duntocher as of st marys, ....

so please do check it out
http://stmarysrc.webs.com/

cheers
harry carey
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 29 August 10 02:38 BST (UK): Thanks for that - fabulous! The recording of the bells is a lovely touch too.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: gully on Monday 30 August 10 19:44 BST (UK): Quote from: karenlily on Tuesday 23 February 10 11:05 GMT (UK)
I I wondered if anybody has any information on the Dochertys of Duntocher. My husbands grandfather was Albert James Dockery born in Duntocher 1901 and married Ann Hamilton in 1919 St Patricks Church. His father was Patrick Dockery from Ireland who married Sarah Judge and died in New Street, Duntocher in 1915. They lived in New Street, Duntocher. Thanks
hello
my first time on rootschat ,patrick dockery was my great granddad
his daughter sarah married my grandad john main in 1919
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Tuesday 14 September 10 20:51 BST (UK): hi folks , a fresh batch of old photos and memoribilia from duntocher is to be found on the st marys parish archive site,

we have some documents dating back to 1925 now online, check out you will no doubt see familiar duntocher names , you may also be able to help us put names to the faces in the photos. remember if your 'searches' for your family roots has come up with anything about st marys or duntocher that you think would be good for the site and your happy o share then please do contact the website.

www.stmarysrc.webs.com

cheers

henry carey
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bullywee on Wednesday 15 September 10 13:26 BST (UK): Hi,
I have ancestors born in Old Kilpatrick called Cairney / Carney.
They were:
Hugh b. 1833
Jean Hamilton Cairney b.1835

Their parents were Hugh Carney and Elizabeth Hamilton.

Are they in anyway related to the Cairneys being discussed?

Regards,
Bullywee
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: DenieceHosie on Sunday 10 October 10 23:42 BST (UK): Hi there,
I was just wondering if anyone knew the Hosie's from Duntocher? Perhaps my Gran and Granded David Hosie and Jane or Jeanie Hosie nee Lawless? It would be great to hear from anyone who knew any of them. They stayed in Dalgliesh Avenue and my uncle still lives there. My dad, Dennis Hosie lived there his whole life also. I think my grans side, Lawless stayed in Duntocher their whole lives. Any information anyone could give me would be much appreciated :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: CarolineClements on Wednesday 20 October 10 08:16 BST (UK): Hello my name is Caroline. I am looking for a photo from around 1949 ish. My mum Mary Cleland and my dad William Divers are in the class photo from St Marys. The teacher was Miss Ryan. If anyone can help that would be great. My mum also has lots of photos from my great aunt Agnes Morgan. Mum seems to know who is who so if anyone has any question I can ask.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Friday 05 November 10 12:32 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie, is you granmother; "Maggie Stewart" also Known as Gretta Coyle? and is Gretta (number vii child of Flora and William Stewart) the Brother of Thomas Stewart? I've managed to contact my Cousin Jim, Jim is the son of Aunt Cissie (1st daughter of Thomas Stewart) Cissie is on the left while Sadie 2nd Daughter is on the right). Both now deceased. He said it was OK to post this photo on the sight; hopefully there are cousins out there somewhere. (Children of Thomas Stewart & Cissie Sweeney) Any news about the Stewarts will be very welcome.

Margaret Sarah xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Friday 05 November 10 13:05 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie, Well I havn't manged to post the photo yet; Ihave sent it to your e mail address perhaps you could do it for me, as I obviously don't have a clue what i'm doing. ???

Margaret Sarah xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 05 November 10 22:57 GMT (UK): Hi Margaret Sarah,
Debbie forwarded the photos to me - brilliant, thank you so much. :)
I did send you my new email address - do you need me to send it again?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Saturday 06 November 10 10:11 GMT (UK): Hi Helen, yes I thought you did but I must have deleted the wrong one in my address book. Debbie sent it but just to be sure you can send it again (old age doesn't come itself!!!!!! talk soon. Margaret Sarah x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 06 November 10 15:59 GMT (UK): Quote from: margaret sarah on Friday 05 November 10 12:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie, is you granmother; "Maggie Stewart" also Known as Gretta Coyle? and is Gretta (number vii child of Flora and William Stewart) the Brother of Thomas Stewart?
Margaret Sarah xx

Hi Margaret
Yes, my grandmother was Maggie Stewart - sister of Tommy.

But my Mother was Gretta Coyle the first daughter of Maggie Stewart. Gretta went by Coyle when she was growing up, as Maggie married Charlie Coyle whe she was 2. But He was not her natural father, so most of her documents show Stewart as her legal last name. That's where the confusion steps in :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Sunday 07 November 10 10:43 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie, So this means that Tommy's Daughter(my Aunt Cissie) and your mother Margaret Coyle would be cousin's! therefore; My Cousin Jim (son of Aunt Cissie) and yourself are 2nd cousins! Hopefully Jim will be registering here soon; I know he's been thinking about it; Margaret Sarah xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 07 November 10 16:02 GMT (UK): that's right Margaret - Jim and I are 2nd cousins. Jim and Helen on the other hand, are 1st cousins 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 07 November 10 21:13 GMT (UK): This is starting to get confusing, but by my reckoning it is actually your Aunt Cissie who is my cousin isn't it? ???
Her father, Tommy Stewart, was my uncle, - my mothers brother.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 07 November 10 22:58 GMT (UK): you're right Helen, I missed a generation. lol!!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 07 November 10 23:59 GMT (UK): No worries Deb, I thought I was being thicker than usual for a moment there :)
b.t.w. glad you're not a.w.o.l. any more. ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Monday 08 November 10 09:59 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie/Helen, Thanks for all your help, it's been great! I'll keep in touch Margaret Sarah xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 08 November 10 22:25 GMT (UK): No Margaret Sarah, thank you! Without your input we wouldn't have the info we now have on Uncle Tommy.
Some time ago I actually bought his marriage cert on Scotlandspeople and put it aside because it had the 'wrong' bride :o
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Tuesday 09 November 10 11:38 GMT (UK): Ha, Ha, Its amazing the things we do to find out what our ancester got up to eh!

Anyway Helen I'm going to take a trip to Dunbartin, Kilpatrick and areas for wee while and see if I can find out more about grannies side (Sarah Meechan) and the O'Neils from that area Rose O'Neil was her Mother her Father was Terence Meechan I beleive from the Irish end. I'll be back though as I would like to find more about Tommy's sons/families et. TC. Margaret Sarah xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 09 November 10 15:10 GMT (UK): keep us up to date on the Meechan finds :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 07 December 10 09:27 GMT (UK): Hello All,
I'm a newcomer so I hope that I am sending this to the right forum!
My father was born in Duntocher (1901) in Davies Square. I know that the Square no longer exists but wondered whether any members had an old photo of Duntocher which might give an indication of what it was like in that area?
Secondly, although his name was Smith (they get *everywhere*!), his mother's maiden name was McColgan. Are any Members researching this name?
Regards and thanks for looking!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 07 December 10 12:17 GMT (UK): Hi Pipeyson,
Davis Square is still there, do you have any more information.
There are lots of Smiths,and McColgans in and around the old village.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 07 December 10 14:44 GMT (UK): Hello Myyran,
Thanks for responding. I knew that the Davies Square sign was still on the wall but, had been informed that the actual place no longer existed.
As to details, here are some which might be a help.

Ellen (sometimes Helen) McColgan married Hugh Smith December 1885. Both addresses are given simply as Davies Square. Her father was James McColgan and her mother (already deceased) was Mary Ann McColgan nee Nealis - sometimes McNellis. Ellen died (still living in Davies Square) 1905.
I cannot find Ellen's Birth Record or any other McColgan record.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 08 December 10 01:58 GMT (UK): Hi Pipeyson,
I haven't got any credits left at the moment, so I'm afraid I can't help you out, but a basic search on Scotlandspeople shows a birth for Ellen McColgan, 1862, Old Kilpatrick. Perhaps you could invest in a few credits and have a look at the cert ?
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 08 December 10 02:06 GMT (UK): Ahh ... ignore that last post Pipeyson, I've just found the Ellen McColgan born 1862, and she was the daughter of James McColgan & Cecilia Docherty. :-[ Sorry about that,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Wednesday 08 December 10 07:57 GMT (UK): Hello Helen,
I'm grateful to you for making such an effort. Yes, I had found "that" Ellen and thought that I had struck lucky. If memory serves, she also married a Hugh Smith in Old Kilpatrick!
My thanks once more!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 31 December 10 22:30 GMT (UK): To all our "Duntocher famillies"
A guid New Year to ane an a'
An mony may ye see
An during a' the years to come
O happy may ye be

Happy New Year everyone.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Saturday 01 January 11 09:37 GMT (UK): And a very good one to you Helen!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 01 January 11 17:34 GMT (UK): Happy New year to all our Duntocher folks!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 02 January 11 21:44 GMT (UK): me again pipeyson :)
Looking at the 1891 Census, Ellen (Helen) born 1866, Ireland.
In the 1901 Census it states she was born 1869, Ireland.
The FHL has her birth as 19 May 1866, Kilderry, Londonderry, Ireland.

Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Monday 03 January 11 14:13 GMT (UK): Helen, Thank you very much, I will follow this up as soon as I can. It's very kind of you to take the trouble and much appreciated.
pipeyson
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 04 January 11 01:55 GMT (UK): No problem, I forgot to say the mother's name is listed as Mary Anne Nelis, so it has to be the right birth.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 04 January 11 10:07 GMT (UK): Thanks again Helen.
I'm not familiar with the Family History Library. Did you locate the information on line?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 05 January 11 21:57 GMT (UK): Yes pipeyson, that's an online resource. :)
http://www.familysearch.org
Happy hunting, Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 07 January 11 05:17 GMT (UK): Not thinking straight lately .... I should have told you the batch # for Ellen's birth is C701287,
father James McColgan, mother Mary Anne Nelis
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 07 January 11 06:03 GMT (UK): Ellen had a brother Peter, baptised 26 Jan 1868, St. Patrick's Catholic Church, Parish of Iskaheen, Diocese of Derry.
His sponsors were John Nelis & Mary Anne Doherty. James & Mary Anne McColgan lived at Garrison, Muff (?) at the time.
Ellen's sponsors were Edward Nelis & Ellen Nelis. This entry has Ellen's baptism date as 8th May 1866, not the 19th.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Friday 07 January 11 07:44 GMT (UK): Thank you Helen. I have managed to locate the record and have sent off for the certificate. It has been really satisfying to obtain this information Helen. Very grateful to you.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Friday 07 January 11 07:53 GMT (UK): Helen,
Sorry, me again! I have just picked up the information you sent as regards the baptisms! I'm so surprised and delighted with what you have discovered and kindly sent to me. My repeated thanks must have become wearing!!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 07 January 11 21:42 GMT (UK): No worries pipeyson, I was a bit concerned that I was looking like a serial pest.
If I've been of any help I'm glad. Best of luck with your researching.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: HelenCumbernauld on Sunday 09 January 11 14:54 GMT (UK): Hi - it's ages since I looked at the site and I would like to comment on the photograph outside Filshies. The photo is not one of the Stewart Brothers. The only Stewart in the photograph is Uncle Tommy. I don't know the names of the others but they are definitely not Stewart's. My father was James Stewart and I knew most of his brothers (my uncles). I can't say that I recognise the others in the picture. The real name of Filshies was the West End Bar and as far as I know it is still called that.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: henryhtc on Sunday 09 January 11 15:51 GMT (UK): hi all , lots of new photos added to st marys duntocher archive website , were now starting to be able to put names to a lot of people who appear in the photos hence it may be something that you may want to check out

http://stmarysrc.webs.com/

all the best for 2011,

cheers

harry carey
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 09 January 11 22:20 GMT (UK): Hi HelenCumbernauld :D
It's been a long time. The men in the Filshies photo ARE Stewart men, just not OUR Stewart men.
They are the sons of Richard Stewart, brother of our grandfather William Stewart.
In other words, Tommy is standing with his cousins, cousin ;D
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: HelenCumbernauld on Monday 10 January 11 14:13 GMT (UK): Hi cousin Helen - thanks for clearing that up - I always think of my James Stewart. I take it that our Grandfather's brother came over to Duntocher as well. I must have loads of 2nd cousins that I don't know about and I was born and brought up in Duntocher.The James Stewart that was Richard's son was born in 1902 (7 years before my James Stewart) but I don't remember ever meeting him.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 11 January 11 00:23 GMT (UK): Hi Helen,
Yes, Richard Stewart (our grandfathers brother) had 9 (known) children, and many of them were
of an age similar to our Stewarts, so in all probability grew up close to each other.
William & Richard and their famillies all lived in Chapel Road during the 1901 Census.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: scotsgirl on Wednesday 12 January 11 11:01 GMT (UK): Hi thought I would introduce myself.I'm Iona the daughter of Richard Stewart (born 1940) and hence the grand daughter of James Stewart(born 1907, died 1976) and Ina (wilhelmina) Stewart (nee. Kirkwood) (died 1999).Would be nice to hear from other sides of the family,is there a way to exchange messages privately on the board as i would love to hear about my grandpa as i was only 8 when he died x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 13 January 11 00:22 GMT (UK): Hi Iona, welcome to the forum. James Stewart was my Uncle - my mothers brother. And as you no doubt know, his daughter Helen & I have been chatting for some time.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 13 January 11 06:26 GMT (UK): Hi Iona, and welcome to the forum! James Stewart was my Grandmother's Brother - I am the Granddaughter of Maggie Stewart & Charlie Coyle
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: scotsgirl on Thursday 13 January 11 14:08 GMT (UK): Hi helen and debbie,thank you for the welcome.I know helen as sophie,it's great to find out how far spread your relatives are.My dad started doing research and told me about this site.I loved my grandpa and was devastated when he died,but saw a lot of my gran.Will chat soon Iona xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 23 January 11 01:55 GMT (UK): Iona, Helen (Sophie) has both Deb's & my email addresses, which you could get from her if you'd like. :)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: JennyinWI on Tuesday 22 February 11 14:51 GMT (UK): Quote from: d963 on Tuesday 11 November 08 23:28 GMT (UK)
I'm trying to track down information on John Stewart.

According to his death certificate, he was born in Duntocher in 1817. However, the 1851 Canada West census has him being born in 1821. He died in June 1873 in Lanark County, Ontario.

His wife was Agnes Currie, born in 1821 in Lanark County, Canada West. Agnes' father was a Daniel Currie and her mother was Jane Stewart. Both of whom died in Lanark County, Ontario.

That's all I've got, which isn't much.

Thanks.
This John Stewart is in my family tree. My mother is a Currie by birth and is decended down through Agnes's brother Daniel. I just happened to be looking for information on another John Stewart and came across this John by googling. I love that a whole new chapter of research has opened up for me. If any one has any more information on the Stewart family please email me! chavez0605yahoocom
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: MarieMcDaid on Thursday 03 March 11 10:17 GMT (UK): Alister

I am researching my family tree in Donegal and am related to your McColgans. Ellen's father James McColgan remarried after his first wife died to Mary McCallion and I am decended from that family. Your paternal Grandmother would have been approx 4 years old when her mother died. She had 2 brothers - Peter & William. I'm not sure but William may have died aged 13 years. Still looking into this. I have information on the rest of the family if you wish to get in touch.

do you know anything about Ellen's brother Peter?

Regards
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Thursday 03 March 11 11:38 GMT (UK): Hello Marie,
I appreciate you getting in touch. The information you have given is new to me. I reallized, from Ellen's marriage certificate, that her mother was dead but could find no further details. I would really appreciate you letting me have any further details and, of course, I would happily share mine.
Regards
Allister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: MarieMcDaid on Thursday 03 March 11 11:46 GMT (UK): Allister

I will have a look at the info over the next few days and get back to you with what I have.
Delighted to have found you. I only recently found out about James McColgan's first family and then quite by chance found yourself.

Regards
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Thursday 03 March 11 12:16 GMT (UK): Marie, It is really good to "meet" someone from our family and look forward to further contact.
regards
Allister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: MarieMcDaid on Monday 07 March 11 21:37 GMT (UK): Allister

As promised see info below on James McColgan & families.

James McColgan Born 1826
MaryAnn McNelis Born 1831

Married approx 1863

Children:
William Born 17 April 1864
Ellen Born 8 May 1866
Peter Born 26 Jan 1868

MaryAnn died 9 April 1870 aged 39 years old.

James remarried on 25 May 1871 to Mary McCallion. On their marriage certificate it states his father was Denis McColgan. Mary's father was John McCallion. They had 7 children:

John Born 11 Aug 1872
Daniel Born 27 Sept 1873
Michael Born 6 Jan 1875
Jane Born 13 Mar 1876
Sally Ann Born 26 Dec 1877
William Born 12 Feb 1880
Mary Born 7 Apr 1882

All the above married and all had families except William & Sally. I am a decendent of John Born 1872.

As I mentioned in my previous note the first William may have died aged 13 years old. The second William's birth was registered by Ellen McColgan which may have been your paternal grandmother. I do not have any info as yet on Peter (Born 1868).

I have additional info on the families and their decendents if you want further info. Also, do you know wherer the Hugh Smith that Ellen married was from?

Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 08 March 11 08:36 GMT (UK): Marie, Thank you very much for your information. It requires, as is often the case in Fam. Hist., that I look again as the track I have been going down diverges from yours!
If it works, I will try to add an attachment to this message with photocopies from the church records which I have related to the following information.

I have Mary Ann baptised in St Columba's Church, Parish of Templemore, Derry on the 13th of February 1844. The father is registered as Thomas Nellis and the mother Catherine Logue, Sponsors - John Nellis and Mary Hines. Also in the same record is this MaryAnn's brothers John (1847) and Thomas (1849). In the same record I have the marriage of Thomas Nellis and Catherine Logue - 11th June 1841 Sponsors - John Flynn and M Nellis.
As to your query about Hugh, I have drawn a blank. I wondered whether just Ellen came across to Scotland by herself to marry him, in which case he could have been born in Scotland and, perhaps had met her on a visit to Ireland.
Allister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: MarieMcDaid on Tuesday 08 March 11 10:42 GMT (UK): Allister

Thanks for the info. The year of birth for Mary Ann on my part is a guess so you could possibly have the correct lady in templemore.

I didn't know there were records back to 1844. How / Where were you able to access them? I may be able to further the McColgan line from those also.

I have a Thomas Nelis married to Sarah Anne Donnelly or Doherty living in Ballynagard with a daughter Mary baptised 16 Dec 1885. Could be Mary Anne's brother...

Also, I think Hugh Smith was from this area also. I have a number of Smiths living in Hollybush & Culmore around the same time that Ellen & Hugh's daugher was baptised. Hollybush & Culmore is on the border between Donegal & Derry. I will be organising to view the records in Iskaheen / Muff over the next few weeks so I will see if I can track them all down.

Regards
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 08 March 11 11:15 GMT (UK): Marie,
I got the information from the web site "Emerald Ancestors". I have commissioned a search for the McColgans by "Family Ulster.co." but they have not come back to me yet. If they do I'll pass on any information I get. It was either that or go across and spend some time searching. I'm in England but am a Scot , born just a mile or so from Duntocher. I have a photograph of Ellen with Hugh. Not sure of the date but I would guess a few years after they were married. If you want, I could get it to you.
Allister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: MarieMcDaid on Tuesday 08 March 11 11:42 GMT (UK): Allister

I would love to see the photo if that would be possible. Also if you are interested in any of the information I have or get in my further research I could print it off and post it to you if you wish. You can send me a personal message with the details. McColgan is a name which is extremely popular in the area so there is a lot of info. Your researchers may be having some problems as a result of this.

I live quite close to the area so am able to do local research and have also enquired from relatives etc. My Gran has been able to provide me with an enormous amount of info to start with which was great. I will also enquire of the records at St Columba's Church Templemore. It is defnitely a new line of research.

I will further up the query on Hugh Smith and let you know if I find anything.

Thanks
Marie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Tuesday 08 March 11 16:12 GMT (UK): Marie,
Thank you! I have sent amessage via your Message Box.
Allister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: seapigeon on Saturday 19 March 11 14:34 GMT (UK): Hi
Williamina (Ina) Kirkwood was my aunt, she was born in 1916 and died in 1999, she was the daughter of William Kirkwood and Sophia Stables who had six daughters and one son, they moved to Duntocher from Garscadden Village in 1927 to a new house in Carleith Avenue.
The Children were : Margaret 1913-2010, Agnes 1914-1987, Williamina 1916-1999, Robert 1919-1986, Sophia (Bunty) 1922-1941, Adelia Jaques (Ada) 1924-1991 and Helen 1927-2009

I hope this is helpful.

Graeme

Quote from: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 06 February 06 23:11 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ron_dem on Monday 06 February 06 00:43 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie: Did your Kirkwoods come from Toll cross, Shetteleston area?

Hi,
I'm afraid I don't have much on the Kirkwoods.
My James Stewart, born abt. 1909 Duntocher, married Ina Williamina Kirkwood.
James was the son of William Stewart and Flora Murray. I would love to find out more about Ina, if you recognize her?

Debbie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 19 March 11 17:08 GMT (UK): Hi Graeme! And welcome to Rootschat
Thanks for the names and dates of all the Kirkwood family, that is great ;D

So which one out of the list was your parent? Your cousin Helen C. is on here, she will no doubt reply as soon as she sees you post!

Were William and Sophia both born in Scotland? Have you traced their families?

Nice to meet you!
Debbie in BC (granddaughter of Margaret Stewart & Charlie Coyle)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: seapigeon on Saturday 19 March 11 17:41 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie

Yes both William and Sophia were born in Scotland and I have traced both families back to the mid 18th century. My mother was Helen Kirkwood.

Cheers

Graeme
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 20 March 11 01:44 GMT (UK): Hi Graeme,
Like cousin Deb I thank you for the info on Ina. :)
(and welcome to the forum)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Monday 06 June 11 13:49 BST (UK): Hi all,

Meechan/O'Neill from Duntocher.

I'm back again, but this time I'm researching the above families. My Great Grandfather was Terence Meechan(36) marreid to Agnes O'Neill (34). According to the1901 Census the stayed at 36 New St Duntocher. Their Children were; Hugh(14), Rosina(12), Henry(10?), Charles(8?) & Sarah(5).

If anyone has any info on Terence or Agnes also known as Sarah I would be really gratefull Margaretsarah
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Marie Kelly on Monday 11 July 11 22:38 BST (UK): Hi all. Been tracing back on my family since my Dad passed away couple of years ago and with the help of my Dads cousin have found out lots of interesting facts!
My Grandfather ws Patrick Kelly, who married Agnes Cassidy 1933, he died July 1942. His parents were Peter Kelly and Martha Kelly nee Coulter. Martha died 1937, her parents were owen Coulter and Martha Coulter nee McGrath. Now this is where my findings end. They all lived in Duntocher from from when Patrick was born (as much as I'm aware)
Unsure how to proceed from here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: freya47 on Wednesday 24 August 11 22:57 BST (UK): Quote from: mk on Sunday 12 March 06 21:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I have just recently started researching my family tree and this is the 1st time that i have been on this website.

My maternal grandfather was a Mochan from Duntocher, his father John Mochan (married to Catherine McGlinchey) was born in Duntocher in 1878. His father Michael (married to Mary O'Donnell) was born in Ireland in 1843.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: freya47 on Wednesday 24 August 11 23:05 BST (UK): hi debbi bc

this is the first time ive posted message just to let you know the school photogragh is not of st marys but duntocher public school iwas in your cousin robert stewarts class and ican name a lot of the people in the picture freya47
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 24 August 11 23:45 BST (UK): Quote from: freya47 on Wednesday 24 August 11 23:05 BST (UK)
hi debbi bc

this is the first time ive posted message just to let you know the school photogragh is not of st marys but duntocher public school iwas in your cousin robert stewarts class and ican name a lot of the people in the picture freya47

Hello! and welcome to our Duntocher families conversation. :) It's not St. Mary's? I guess Robert remembered incorrectly when he sent me the photo.
But if you can name a lot of the children, that would make some very, very happy people on here! Feel free to add as many of the names as you can on the posting where the picture is located.
I will look forward to seeing the names, and thanks for joining in! 8)

I have bumped the thread, and posted another copy of the pic, so that you can add the names easier. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=315733.msg4045883

Cheers!!! Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 20 October 11 23:03 BST (UK): Hi Marie,
I have some Kelly's - there is a Peter Kelly born abt. 1888, Clydebank, I wonder if this is your Peter?
His parents were John Joseph Kelly & Elizabeth Higgins. John Joseph was born Paisley, Renfrewshire & Elizabeth was born Glasgow. There were 9 children beside Peter that I know of. Unfortunately I don't have
a marriage for Peter.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Friday 21 October 11 07:50 BST (UK): Hello Debbie in BC,
I notice that you have the name "Murray" in your list. I have a Murray too, but have not started to research them as yet. I have a George Murray B. ca 1810 married to a Sarah Murray and a daughter of theirs, also Sarah, who married John Smith. Does this information coincide with yours at all?
Regards
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 22 October 11 00:15 BST (UK): Hi Pipeyson, I have just checked out our Murrays (Debbie in B.C. is my cousin) and we don't seem to have a George in the time frame you mentioned. Deb will be back in B.C. on Monday, I'll get her to double check.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Saturday 22 October 11 14:12 BST (UK): Helen, Thanks for your response and for checking, it was just a faint hope!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 24 October 11 18:37 BST (UK): Hi Pipeyson, just double checked, and Helen is right. Sorry!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: pipeyson on Monday 24 October 11 19:07 BST (UK): Hello Debbie,
Thanks for taking the time to check and answer!
Regards!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jmclaf on Monday 21 November 11 11:31 GMT (UK): I am a Great Grandson of Helen Smith nee McColgan and have just found this site. Thanks for the additional info you have provided. Hugh Smith born 1862 was son of John and Sarah Smith nee Murray. Unfortunately common names.
I am related through their Daughter Jane Starkey.
Hugh remarried after Helens death to a Rose Ann Smith nee Smith. They had no further children.
According to 1911 Census Hugh was born in Ireland.

Thanks again for the great set of updates.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 13 December 11 23:40 GMT (UK): Hi jmclaf,
Sorry no one took the time to welcome you to the forum - Welcome! ;)

And to all our Duntocher famillies - a very Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year to you all,
I wish you successful researching in 2012
Helen
:D ;D :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Friday 17 February 12 16:06 GMT (UK): Hi, my name is Richard Stewart, Ina Stewart's (nee Kirkwood) third eldest son. Now living in Fife, Scotland. Bill (William) James (Jim died 1958) Richard, John, Robert and Sophia Helen (Sophie) we moved to Duntocher in 1946 from Clydebank. I am interested in giving more information if you like.

Thanks Richard

p.s. recently joined rooschat.com. Will attach a photo of Mum and Dad next time
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 17 February 12 16:37 GMT (UK): Hi Richard!

Cousin Debbie here - (Margaret Stewart/Charles Coyle's granddaughter)

Lovely to see you here, and welcome to the Rootschat! Can't wait to see a pic of James & Ina. ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 17 February 12 21:18 GMT (UK): Hi Richard, cousin Helen here :D (your dad & my mam were brother & sister)
Glad to see you on the forum, and I'm going to "hit" you straight away - I have been told that there is a photo of our grandfather William Stewart that has been copied and shared in Duntocher - a copy never made it across the sea to my family - is there any chance at all that you could try and find a copy? William died when my mam was 13, and I've never seen a photo of him.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 17 February 12 21:56 GMT (UK): Quote from: Helen on Friday 17 February 12 21:18 GMT (UK)
I have been told that there is a photo of our grandfather William Stewart that has been copied and shared in Duntocher - a copy never made it across the sea to my family - is there any chance at all that you could try and find a copy? William died when my mam was 13, and I've never seen a photo of him.
Helen

There's a photo of William Stewart? Gosh, I'd like to see that as well.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 17 February 12 22:05 GMT (UK): Didn't I tell you that Deb? I thought I did. I've had Helen trying to track it down but she's had no success, I think we need to call in some more Stewarts to track it down. That's a photo I would LOVE to see.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Saturday 18 February 12 18:16 GMT (UK): Hi everybody. Glad to be on board with rooschat. I will attemt to trace William Stewart photo.

Richard
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Post by: Helen on Saturday 18 February 12 19:06 GMT (UK): Thanks Richard :) I didn't tell you who my mam was - Chrissie, your dad's youngest sister.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Saturday 24 March 12 16:39 GMT (UK): Hi Helen

thanks for informing your mum's name. I remember your brother Alec about 1946. What's the news of Alec? I am posing a photo of James and Ina Stewart.

Regards Richard
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Saturday 24 March 12 17:59 GMT (UK): Lovely picture!
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Post by: Helen on Saturday 24 March 12 21:13 GMT (UK): Beautiful, just beautiful! Thank you very much, no need to tell you ALL photos of our family are welcome :-) Alec's okay, he was thrilled to meet up with Florrie (Sloss) Rankine just recently. And I believe I will be having dinner with your sister in October, so that will be great :)
Keep in touch, and tell Alec you remember him,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Frank McCus on Tuesday 03 April 12 17:17 BST (UK): Hi Im Frank McCusker (franny) lived at 30 hillend cres till about 15years of age. anyone from around then on here?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 03 April 12 22:15 BST (UK): Hi Frank, welcome to the forum. I'm sure the lovely people on this site will be in touch if they remember you. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 04 April 12 01:01 BST (UK): Hi Frank!

Welcome to the forum, I think my birth father lived on Hillend cres. in the 1950's. Do you remember Charlie Laverty? or is that before your time.

Nice to meet you!

Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Wednesday 04 April 12 12:21 BST (UK): Hi Frank

I remember a McCusker family who lived at Dalgleish Avenue when we moved there in 1949. Are you of the same family?

Richard Stewart
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Frank McCus on Wednesday 04 April 12 15:52 BST (UK): no its funny we were a small village and there were two McCusker families unrelaterd. My father is james born in 1932 his mother was mary, i never met my grand father. we had cousins called Mclafferty and Mcormack all from duntocher.
Thanks for getting back to me, Im living in Boston at moment.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Frank McCus on Wednesday 04 April 12 16:08 BST (UK): My mother was from Clydebank Duffy was her maiden name, unfortunately she passed in Feb of this year.
I would like to know if there is anyone from Hillend cres I saw a post on some other site taking about playing football (soccer) out back of my house, it was agreat reminder of good time when i was young.
Frank.

p.s.
Thank you for the welcome to the site i feel a little closer to home now!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Frank McCus on Wednesday 04 April 12 18:33 BST (UK): Richard,
I will check with my father re the dalgliesh connection, as my grandfather was born in Duntocher and it may have been there?
Thanks,
Frank.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jmclaf on Thursday 05 April 12 12:20 BST (UK): Frank.
Small Village and two (at least) separate McLafferty families also.
My dad was Hugh (Blondie) McLafferty sadly passed a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marthaB on Thursday 05 April 12 16:43 BST (UK): does any one know of any Terry family in and around duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Thursday 12 April 12 10:10 BST (UK): Hi

I am another branch of the stewart family. My Grandfather was George Stewart your fathers brother. It along time since I have been on the site I am in contact with Debbie and Helen.

Hope to hear from you soon

Winniep
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Thursday 12 April 12 10:50 BST (UK): Hi Winniep

Richard Stewart replying. I remember my uncle George (Geordie to us) Who was your father? Was it John? I am not sure at this stage
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 12 April 12 21:56 BST (UK): Hi Winniep, long time no hear. :) How are you?
No Richard, John wasn't her father - Lizzie was her mother. There's just too many to keep track of, isn't there. ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Friday 13 April 12 09:58 BST (UK): Hi Helen

I have not been doing the family tree but I am now started again. I am working on the morrisons at the moment trying to find a photo of my grandad morrison any ideas ?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 13 April 12 22:23 BST (UK): Hi cousin, nice to hear from you. What about Mary's sons, have you asked them? I can't think of anyone else who would have Morrison photos. I'm still trying to track down the only known photo of William Stewart, no luck so far. :(
love Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: genieus on Tuesday 24 April 12 22:14 BST (UK): I had some excellent help on the forum quite some time ago (especially Helen) about my Gallachers and now I need a wee bit more. Hopefully just a pointer in the right direction.

My GG Grandparents Thomas Gallacher and Mary Handlin both lived in Duntocher. Thomas I have marriage certificate (19/04/1858) and death record (04/12/1919). On the death record it make no mention of his wife being deceased - so rightly or wrongly I have assumed that she was still alive in 1919. However no matter how I search for it I just cannot find a death record for Mary.

I have done various searches on Scotland People from 1901 right through to 1950 ??? but can find nothing obvious

I have found them both on the 1911 census at 43 New Street and aged 74 and 70 repectively and also living with their son Thomas.
Any help or advice on what I might be doing wrong or where to look would be appreciated.

Thanks

Gerry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 25 April 12 00:40 BST (UK): Hi Gerry,
I don't know how much help I'll be this time :(
I don't have any credits at the moment, but did a basic search of -
Mary Gallacher, mother's maiden name Cougan, born 1840 +/- 5 years, search year range 1919-1920, and came up with 4 results (which, of course I can't look at).
However, that is with no district selected. The minute I try Dumbarton, Old Kilpatrick, or Lanark there are no results at all. So, up to you whether you take a look or not. :-\
Let me know how you go,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: genieus on Wednesday 25 April 12 08:43 BST (UK): Helen,

Thank you for that but please, please don't waste any of your credits on the SP site.

I have done quite a few searches probably including those that you mention.

I will try to collate all the information that I currently have and put in on a posting perhaps then yourself or someone else might be able to see something that I am missing.

Thanks again.

Gerry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: scotsgirl on Wednesday 25 April 12 10:59 BST (UK): Iona here,richard's daughter.can anyone tell me more about my grandpa(James Stewart) as i was only 8 when he died.I have fond memories of him but would love to know more about him.Thanks xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: genieus on Wednesday 25 April 12 13:56 BST (UK): Helen et al,

I've now managed to find Mary Gallacher on the death register (Nov 1921). The death was registered in Greenock (44 Union Street) although her usual address was given as New Street Duntocher.

Anyway problem solved - for the moment.

Thanks for your help.

Gerry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 26 April 12 05:18 BST (UK): Well done, and thanks for the info. For my files would you mind telling me the date, cause, and informant please.
Helen.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: genieus on Thursday 26 April 12 19:00 BST (UK): No worries.

Info on Mary Gallacher (ms Hanlin or Handlin)
Date of death 3rd November 1921 age 79
Parents: John Hanlin, Mary Hanlin (ms Coogan)
Cause of death Senile debility and heart disease
Informant: Thomas Gallacher - son

Place of death: 44 Union Street, Greenock
Usual residence: 41 New Street Duntocher

I did discover that the address in Greenock is a care home run by the Little Sisters of the Poor (a religious order that care for the elderly) and rather spookily my own sister is now one of the nuns of that order.

I've tried attaching a copy of the record (hope that is not illegal) I'm sure a mod can delete it if it is.

Gerry
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 26 April 12 23:32 BST (UK): Thank you for that Gerry - brilliant! And thanks for the information on the Greenock address, that's useful to know.
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PastRust on Tuesday 01 May 12 01:31 BST (UK): I realize some of the posts here are old, but I am doing research on my family... Anyone have data on the Crozier/Sweenie connection?

I would love to hear anything that anyone has...thanks, email me at (rusty.crozier at rogers.com)

On 25 November 1892 at 34 New Street, Duntocher in the parish of Old
Kilpatrick, after publication according to the forms of the Established Church of
Scotland –
Robert Crozier, sewing machine labourer, bachelor, aged 21 of Swindon Place,
Dalmuir
Son of Robert Crozier, carter deceased and Catherine Higgins (maiden surname)
AND
Agnes Sweenie, threadmill warper, spinster, aged 22 of 34 New Street,
Duntocher.
Daughter of Willliam Sweenie, fireman and Agnes Connolly (maiden surname)
Witnesses – Adam Busby and Martha Sweenie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PastRust on Tuesday 01 May 12 02:09 BST (UK): I thought i might add some more info for your connections... it seems my grandfather William Crozier was born at 37 New St. Duntocher

His mom, my great grandmother Agnes Sweenie or Crozier died tragically in 1897:
Old Kilpatrick 501/91
Agnes Crozier, married to Robert Crozier, store keeper, died 19 March 1897 at
61 William Street, Duntocher aged 28.
Daughter of William Sweenie, stoker and Agnes Tennant (sic) – maiden
surname.
Cause: puerperal fever 25 days: septic pneumonia 7 days.
Informant: Robert Crozier, widower.

My father, Jim Crozier is the only surviving son of William Crozier and Catherine Renton
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: plays54 on Thursday 03 May 12 18:48 BST (UK): Doing some research and came across this post and thought I might add some family history if I may.

My great grandfather John McCUE was living at 37 New Street Duntocher in 1911. From the census and war records;

McCUE John (48) Sewing Machine Builder
McCUE Margaret (45)
McCUE Thomas (19) Sewing Machine Builder - Killed in WW1
McCUE John (17) Plater's Helper Shipyards - Killed in WW1
McCUE Mary (14)
McCUE Elizabeth (6)
McCUE Margaret (2)

The family moved to Duntocher from Glasgow. Elizabeth and Margaret were born in Duntocher. Margaret was my grandmother.

With reference to other posts in this topic there is some relationship to Gallachers and Dochertys from the Dunbarton area.

Rgds
plays54
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: stevgal on Tuesday 19 June 12 23:19 BST (UK): Hi Jim

I have McLaffertys in my family tree from Duntocher but not done much research on them. My G Grandmother was a Janet McLafferty - more detail on my website: http://fornhelper.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=fornhelper&view=9&ver=762

If anyone has any info on this branch of McLafferty's it would be greatly appreciated

Cheers
stevgal
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PastRust on Wednesday 20 June 12 03:27 BST (UK): Hi Jim...

My great grandfather, Robert Crozier married Agnes Sweeney of 34 New Street... but grandfather was born at 37 New Street. It seems your family lived in my great grandfather's house... just a point of interest! Enjoy

Old Kilpatrick 501/226
William Crozier born 31 March 1895 at 37 New Street, Duntocher.
Son of Robert Crozier, sewing machine factory labourer and Agnes Sweenie
(maiden surname) who were married on 25 September 1892 at Old Kilpatrick.
Two other children were found born to this couple – Catherine on 4 August 1893 and
John on 20 February 1897.
The following details were given on the marriage certificate of their parents:
Old Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire 501/88
On 25 November 1892 at 34 New Street, Duntocher in the parish of Old
Kilpatrick, after publication according to the forms of the Established Church of
Scotland –
Robert Crozier, sewing machine labourer, bachelor, aged 21 of Swindon Place,
Dalmuir
Son of Robert Crozier, carter deceased and Catherine Higgins (maiden surname)
AND
Agnes Sweenie, threadmill warper, spinster, aged 22 of 34 New Street,
Duntocher.
Daughter of Willliam Sweenie, fireman and Agnes Connolly (maiden surname)
Witnesses – Adam Busby and Martha Sweenie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: sutlyn on Thursday 28 June 12 09:32 BST (UK): Deb please look at your " No place like home query "(ages old) have answered your question but theres no reply.Cant think how else to contact you !
Lynette
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: weemo on Thursday 12 July 12 18:11 BST (UK): try facebook as she has changed her name. under Hudon.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 12 July 12 18:30 BST (UK): Quote from: weemo on Thursday 12 July 12 18:11 BST (UK)
try facebook as she has changed her name. under Hudon.

Thanks Mo! I found sutlyn, and contacted her :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 12 July 12 23:28 BST (UK): :D You can't hide Deb 8) ;D
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Friday 13 July 12 17:17 BST (UK): nope! My family on here make sure of that! lolol... :-* :-*
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Monday 16 July 12 09:46 BST (UK): my great great grandfather was William Murray m Emily McLure they both lived in Duntocher and my gran told me she used to go to visit them when she was a child. Any relatives still in Clydebank. Her father was Arthur Scott Murray.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 16 July 12 22:07 BST (UK): Hi there bellabriggs, your g.grandfather Arthur Scott Murray was the brother of my granny, Flora McLure McIntyre Murray. (she married William Stewart) Which one of Arthurs daughters was your granny? I know there are descendants of his daughter Flora still in Duntocher. (she married Michael Maloney)
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Monday 16 July 12 22:27 BST (UK): my grandmother was Emily Murray born 1897 d 1974 she married Gilbert Craig 1914-she had twin brothers who died and a twin sister who also died, heer sisters were Maggie,Jessie,Flora,sally,mary,and abrother john.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 16 July 12 22:53 BST (UK): Okay, that narrows things down for me :) I have your granny's marriage 30th October 1914. So the twin brothers who died would have been Arthur & Thomas??
The other children I have are Mary (abt. 1896), Emily (6 Jan 1897), Sarah McLure (30 Jul 1905), would that be "Sally" ?, Flora McLure (30 Jul 1905), althought I don't have a death for her she must have died because I have another Flora born 17 June 1912. And I don't have John at all, so thanks for that info. Does the above tally with what you know?
I have your g.grandfather dying in 1929 and your g.granny dying in 1932.
I am in Australia, but you have at least 2 people that I know of that are related to you through Arthur living in Duntocher.
Helen
ROSEANN, WEE MO, DEB, are you following this, jump in at any time ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Monday 16 July 12 22:59 BST (UK): I have been in touch with Roseann McEwan if that's the same Roseanne,don't kknow the others.What relation is related through Arthur.=s
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 16 July 12 23:28 BST (UK): Roseann (McEwan) should be able to tell you anything you need regarding relatives still in Duntocher :)
Best of luck,
Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 18 July 12 04:28 BST (UK): Hi there Bellabrigs,

Deb here, Jumping in :D Apologies for not chatting sooner, the last couple of days have been hectic.

Your G. Grandfather Arthur Murray was brother to my g. Gran Flora Mclure McIntyre Murray. Her daughter Margaret Stewart - (that married Charles Coyle) was my Gran.

You have a ton of Stewart cousins still in Duntocher, and like Helen says, Roseann and Wee Mo are the closest relations to you.

Very glad to meet you, and welcome to the rootschat. I see on another post of yours thatyou have an old photo of the McLures? We would all love to see thatif you could scan it and upload it for us all here. :)
Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Thursday 19 July 12 09:34 BST (UK): Sorry for not getting back sooner, I'm trying to get the photo for you,it originally came from Roseann I'll post it on as soon as. Thanks for welcoming me into the fold,I stay in Clydebank myself but my family are all in Glasgow.I have a cousin in america whom I'm in contact with and she knows a bit about the Murrays and I think the McLures as she is 70 and remembers a lot.I also have cousins in Melbourne related to my dad's brother Alex.hope to hear from yo again.Mary xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 19 July 12 17:15 BST (UK): Hi Mary,
Who is the cousin in America? Is she doing the family history as well? We would love to make her aquaintance as well :)
Looking forward to seeing the picture, hopefully we can figure out who is all in it.
Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Thursday 19 July 12 18:04 BST (UK): she is Emily Murray's son Sammy Craig's daughter,her sister was called after my Granny. My granny was Arthur's daughter Emily she had 6 sons and 4 girls.the boys were Arthur,Sammy,gilbert,Robert,Alex,Hghie. The girls were Janet(Jenny}Betty,Netta,charlotte.Hughie is only surviving son and the girls except Jenny are still alive. she is interested in the family tree,but she also has a finger in american politics.This is her and her sister.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 19 July 12 18:31 BST (UK): Nice picture :) Thanks for the list of Emily & Gilbert Craig's children, I didn't have any of them noted down before, so thanks for that! The cousin in America - She's Sammy Craig's daughter, what is her name?
And who was your Mum & Dad Mary?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Thursday 19 July 12 19:39 BST (UK): her name is jean craig falcone and her sister is Emily Durie. my dad was Robert Boyd Craig and my mum is Mary Pennie McDonald. There is a Pennie listed as clydebank this might be one of my mums relatives,one of her Auntys was born in Clydebank.Roseanne gave me details of most of the family. I take it you are connected to both the McLure and the Stewarts.Do you have any old pics.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Thursday 19 July 12 20:50 BST (UK): Hi again Mary,
Thanks for the extra info.
Yes, I am connected to both - my Mother was Gretta Coyle, grandparents Margaret Stewart & Charlie Coyle, G. grandparents Flora McLure McIntyre Murray & William Stewart, 2x g grandparents Emily McLure & William Murray, 3x gt grandparents William Mclure and Flora Mcintyre. From there.... all the McLure's of Sleat, and McIntyres of Mull, but we haven't had a lot of success tracing the Mull families due to lack of parish registers.
I have been researching for about 20 years, and I have tons of pictures, but nothing really old...
Actually, I had them all set up on a web site for the whole family to see, but the darn site (MSN) closed down, and I have not re-done another web site as yet. I will have to knuckle down to that one day.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 19 July 12 21:44 BST (UK): I'd also like to thank you for the info, I didn't have it either. But Deb & I share, so that's no surprise :) We share the same McLure/Murray/Stewart lineage, my mother was a sister to Deb's granny. Who is the rellie in Melbourne?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: weemo on Sunday 29 July 12 17:34 BST (UK): Hello guys,

As haven't been well as such over last six months, I will take in all the details and digest it.

Roseann did tell me about you Mary.

I'm Moira on the McLure side too.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Sunday 29 July 12 19:24 BST (UK): Hi there was it you who sent the picture of the McLures to Roseann? I can't find the copy she sent me it won't come up on system.By the way nice to hear from you.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: margaret sarah on Saturday 11 August 12 16:30 BST (UK): More photos,

Margaret Sarah
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 12 August 12 16:45 BST (UK): Nice pictures!!! :) What a blast form the past seeing the old Duntocher tram.
Hope you are well, and enjoying the summer ~ it seems ages since we last had a chat on here.
Thanks for sharing the pics, I'm sure everyone enjoyed seeing them.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Sunday 12 August 12 17:05 BST (UK): Hi here is photo of Flora Murray my grans sister
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 14 August 12 00:04 BST (UK): try uploading again Mary :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: bellabriggs on Tuesday 14 August 12 06:37 BST (UK): do you have an email address as it won,t let me transfer as it is more than 500kb ;).
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 14 August 12 17:06 BST (UK): sent you a pm with my email addy :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 14 August 12 23:15 BST (UK): Aha, I've seen that photo before, did you get it from Roseann? I thought the lady in that photo was Sarah (nee McLure) Watson with her husband Thomas Watson & family????? Sarah was the sister of my great granny Emily (nee McLure) Murray.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: winniep on Tuesday 09 October 12 19:05 BST (UK): Hi Debbie

Its cousin Anne here looking for a bit of information. Have you Annie Coyle married to Patrick McGrath
in 1889 are these any of our relations she had 11 children if you have can you send a reply to me its for a girl in the history group I have joined they lived in Beeches Road

Thanks

Cousin Anne
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 09 October 12 22:56 BST (UK): Hi Anne,
No, sorry, no mention of an Annie Coyle and Patrick McGrath anywhere in my database. Does your pal know who Annie's parents were? Were they Duntocher folk?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 29 December 12 22:05 GMT (UK): Happy New Year, wishing everyone a successful search & discovery 2013
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: fasa4 on Friday 25 January 13 20:39 GMT (UK): Hi Francis, are you still out there? I knew your whole family, your sister Mary and I were 'best friends' at primary school and had lots of sleepovers at each others homes. Sorry to hear of the passing of your mother. I'm sure your Dad would remember me and I think you maybe knew my youngest brother.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: fasa4 on Friday 25 January 13 21:13 GMT (UK): Quote from: genieus on Wednesday 25 April 12 13:56 BST (UK)
Helen et al,

I've now managed to find Mary Gallacher on the death register (Nov 1921). The death was registered in Greenock (44 Union Street) although her usual address was given as New Street Duntocher.

Anyway problem solved - for the moment.

Thanks for your help.

Gerry
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Hi Gerry,

We share the same GG grandparents! Thanks for uploading Mary Gallachers death certificate, I had been unable to find that too. Think, on reading through this site that I may also share ancestors with a few others on this forum!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: freya47 on Monday 28 January 13 21:46 GMT (UK): jintyjo hughie and martha smiths sons were hugh james and gerald
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Sunday 12 May 13 17:14 BST (UK): Hello
I'm looking for anyone connected to or with information on the following

John McLaughlin B 1831 Ireland-D 1900 Duntocher

John was a wine and spirit merchant as well as owning several properties in the area.
He was Married to Margaret Torrance B 1833 Ireland-D1900 Duntocher

They had 2 children
Jane 1855 – 1856

John McLaughlin 1861 – 1905

First wife Joanna Montgomery B1863 Edinburgh–D 1899-Clydebank

Second wife Mary Ann Bannon B 1867 Duntocher- D 1933 Duntocher

Second husband of Mary Ann

James Devine B 1862-D 1918 Duntocher
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jackie755 on Thursday 08 August 13 16:33 BST (UK): This forum does not seem to still be very active, but I am hoping to find out some information. I have just started researching my family for my grandfather. He and my grandmother have moved into an assisted living facility recently, and I am hoping to brighten their day with some information about the family. I used the free trial of ancestry to find some information, but ran into a wall and not sure how to find out additional information. I have traced my grandfather's family to Dunbartonshire with mentions of Duntocher and Filshies Land? The information I have:
Elizabeth Smith (married name), I do not have her husband's name, I know they have a daughter Catherine Smith who married a Patrick Joseph Andrews (born Antrim, Ireland) in 1920 in Dunbartonshire. They gave birth to a daughter Elizabeth Andrews in 1921 in Dunbartonshire, and in 1922 immigrated to the United States. On the passenger ship list Elizabeth Smith is listed as mother of Catherine Smith still living in Duntocher, Filshies Land (that is what is written on the passenger list). They later had my grandfather in Brooklyn, NY. I would love if anyone had any information that might kick start my search further. Not knowing Elizabeth Smith's husband's name or maiden name seems to have me stuck.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Thursday 08 August 13 16:43 BST (UK): Hi Jackie
I'm not related but just did a quick look up on Scotlands People for you.

Catherine's parents were Thomas Smith and Elizabeth McLaren

Patrick's parents James Andrew and sorry can't read christian name but surname is O'Neil

If you pm me your email address I will forward the certificate.
Kind regards
M
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Thursday 08 August 13 16:50 BST (UK): Looks like his mother was Martha

1901 Scotland Census about Patrick Andrews
Name:   Patrick Andrews
Age:   9
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1892
Relationship:   Son
Mother's Name:   Martha Andrews
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Ireland
Registration number:   501
Registration District:   Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish:   Old Kilpatrick
Town:   Clydebank
County:   Dumbartonshire
Address:   65 Glasgow Rd
Occupation:   Scholar
ED:   20
Household Schedule Number:   51
Line:   2
Roll:   CSSCT1901_173
Household Members:
Name   Age
Martha Andrews   40
Patrick Andrews   9
Mary Andrews   7
James Andrews   5
Felix Andrews   2
Henry Andrews   1
Michael McLaughlan   30
Alex McNally   30
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Thursday 08 August 13 16:53 BST (UK): Think this might be Catherine

1901 Scotland Census about Catherine Smith
Name:   Catherine Smith
Age:   10
Estimated Birth Year:   abt 1891
Relationship:   Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name:   Thomas Smith
Mother's Name:   Elizabeth Smith
Gender:   Female
Where born:   Duntocher, Dumbartonshire
Registration number:   501
Registration District:   Old Kilpatrick
Civil Parish:   Old Kilpatrick
County:   Dumbartonshire
Address:   Davies Square
Occupation:   Scholar
ED:   5
Household Schedule Number:   45
Line:   18
Roll:   CSSCT1901_172
Household Members:
Name   Age
Thomas Smith   35
Elizabeth Smith   32
Catherine Smith   10
Sarah Smith   8
Mary Ann Smith   7
Elizabeth Smith   5
Helen Smith   2
Francis Mcbride   28
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jackie755 on Thursday 08 August 13 17:07 BST (UK): Thank you so much for the information! I wanted to get as much information as I could, as my grandfather loves telling stories, but gets frustrated with names. For some reason it says that I am unable to send messages?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: tidybooks on Thursday 08 August 13 17:48 BST (UK): Hi Jackie755,

You need to make 3 posts in total on the forum, to be able to send Personal Messages (PM). So only one post then you can use PM.

Tom
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jmclaf on Wednesday 23 October 13 10:52 BST (UK): My Great GrandFather and Mother Hugh and Helen (McColgan) Smith were the parents of Thomas Smith. I am descended from Jane (Jeanie Smith).
I have a family tree on Ancestry.co.uk which goes back to their Grandparents.
In the image are Helen and Hugh with children Sarah, Mary Anne and Helen. Taken about 1891
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Wednesday 11 December 13 07:53 GMT (UK): Great photo jmclaf, thanks for sharing. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jmara on Tuesday 23 December 14 06:45 GMT (UK): Hi- I come from the Daly/Boyle family who I know lived in Duntocher around 1866 when my great grandmother was born there. I am also interested in any info. about the Roman Catholic community of Duntocher around that time. thanks.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Sunday 22 February 15 20:30 GMT (UK): I'm hoping someone will know if the Village Tavern was once Filshies or are they two different
places?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Sunday 22 February 15 22:04 GMT (UK): Hi Moren, The Village Tavern in the Main Street in Duntocher was once owned by Filshies, I'm sure they were a farming family. Its changed quite a bit since then. It is now owned by Tommy Cunningham... drummer from the group Wet Wet Wet.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Sunday 22 February 15 22:35 GMT (UK): Thank you very much for the reply.
That would mean it was owned by my ancestor prior to the Filshie family.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Sunday 22 February 15 23:37 GMT (UK): ......happy to help, are your folks from Duntocher? If I can help more, just post. Myyran x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Monday 23 February 15 07:16 GMT (UK): What I would really like is to find the history of that building.
I know there are people who specialise in finding the history of buildings,has anyone ever used them?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 23 February 15 11:52 GMT (UK): Hi again, I think the west end (Filshies) or village tavern as its called now was one a continuation of a row of houses, they were known as 'Brenner's Land'. They stretched along the Main Street from Auchentoshan Avenue on one side to Morrison Street on the other. If you google Village tavern Duntocher it will give you a better idea of what it looks like. You could also try Clydebank Library 01415602440...or Dumbarton library 01389608992. I'm sure they will point you in the right direction. Myyran x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 23 February 15 11:55 GMT (UK): ......oops! should read Bremners land.x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Monday 23 February 15 11:59 GMT (UK): Hi Again
I have done the things you suggested and now need someone who knows the history of the building.

On the census my ancestors spirit merchant shop is shown as being near the Presbyterian church and the Village Tavern is opposite.
From what I have seen the land often changed name according to who owned it.I'm wondering was this part of town once know as McLaughlin land?
Thank you again for your help :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Monday 23 February 15 12:21 GMT (UK): On the 1881 census it's Main St --Mclaughlins Land 4 houses the spirit shop and the Presbyterian
church.

1891 Main St -McLaughlins Land 5 houses my ancestor has retired and Alexander Filshie is listed as Spirit Merchant.

I just need to be 100% sure I have the right area.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 24 February 15 00:25 GMT (UK): ...good news you are in the right area. The Presbyterian church was one of the first built ....it was rebuilt in 1822, and later named Duntocher West United Free Church in 1977. It is straight across from Village Tavern, which was then the West end pub. Way back then along the main street, there was a butchers, cobblers, drapers, newsagents, 2 public houses and 3 wine and spirit merchants. I would think you are on the right road.
The Filshie brother's owned a few pubs, I'm sure the Milton lnn Dumbarton is owned by one of the Filshies (01389761401) they maybe able to help. Myyran x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 24 February 15 07:13 GMT (UK): myyran,
Thank you so much :)
Someone had mentioned the West End Bar before and the name change explains why I couldn't find it.
I wonder when the present building was built ?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 24 February 15 15:14 GMT (UK): .....l would say around 1800s. Back then Duntocher came under Kilpatrick, then old Kilpatrick councils. If your ancestors spirit shop stood on the corner of the two storey building the address would come under Old Street.... not Main Street. The two storey houses on Brenner's Land leading up to Filshies West End bar were still there in the Fifties. Replaced by modern cottages in the Sixties. Hope all helps....trying to give as much info as I can. Myyran.x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 24 February 15 15:21 GMT (UK): myyran
You've been a wonderful help and I can't thank you enough :)
To know it's the same building is just fantastic.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Thursday 26 February 15 13:37 GMT (UK): Hi Moren, more good news....after much trawling around website's I have found a photo of the West end in1910 it shows the church opposite and what could be your ancestors house beside it. I'm trying to get in touch with the web site society to allow me to post it to you. Also found out Alexander Filshie owned Auchentoshan distillery which still exists in Duntocher. He bought it in 1834 and sold it 1898. The pub opened in 1898. Its been the focal point of the village for 117 years. What I'm still trying to find out is when Alexander took over as pub owner...that might give a date when your folks had it. I'll keep trying. Myyran
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Monday 02 March 15 19:23 GMT (UK): Hello
I have managed to get a copy of the photograph you mentioned and the Sasine.
So I know the property was my ancestors.
Thank you for all your help :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Monday 02 March 15 19:46 GMT (UK): Moren, I've been following this chat and glad that you have confirmation of where your ancestors lived. What are the names of your ancestors please?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 03 March 15 07:28 GMT (UK): helendg,
My ancestor was John McLaughlin.
Is your connection to the Filshie family?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 03 March 15 07:31 GMT (UK): Hi myyran
I wonder if I do have the same photograph as mine is from the book by John Hood?

If anyone reading this did have any old photographs of Filshies bar I would be so delighted to see them.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:04 GMT (UK): In answer to your question - yes, I'm researching the Filshie line. Regards Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:08 GMT (UK): I would be very happy to share anything I have :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:27 GMT (UK): Thanks, I appreciate that - do you have any very early info?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:35 GMT (UK): How early are you looking at and what names? :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:48 GMT (UK): My 4xg grandmother was Ann Filshie, twin dau of John Filshie and Janet Lang (m: 18 July 1794). Ann and twin Agnes were b: 6 July 1797.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Moren on Tuesday 03 March 15 12:58 GMT (UK): Hi Helen
Have you got the records from Scotlands People ?

18/07/1797   FILSHY   AGNES   JOHN FILSHY/JANET LANG FR527 (FR527)   F   OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK

18/07/1797   FILSHY   ANN   JOHN FILSHY/JANET LANG FR527 (FR527)   F   OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK

2/02/1795   FILSHY   JANET   JOHN FILSHY/JANET LANG FR516 (FR516)   F   OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK

05/01/1800   FILSHY   JOHN   JOHN FILSHY/JANET LANG FR541 (FR541)   M   OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK

There is also a James and Christian Walker

24/10/1800   FILSHY   JAMES   JAMES FILSHY/CHRISTIAN WALKER FR544 (FR544)   M   OLD OR WEST KILPATRICK
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: helendg on Wednesday 04 March 15 03:04 GMT (UK): Many thanks for these - I appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: KS16 on Wednesday 06 January 16 00:45 GMT (UK): Hi Jackie755

I am also related to the Smiths from Filshies Land in Duntocher through the eldest son William. I've recently been try to track my family and have found some information through Scotland's People. The father Thomas Smith was born to John and Sarah (nee ??) and the mother Elizabeth McLaren was born to John and Ellen (nee ??). From what I remember Elizabeth was the keeper of the well in Duntocher.
Hope this assists.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 06 January 16 02:42 GMT (UK): Hi Jackie,

If ypu can post images of the parts you can't make out the RC's will help you out.

Annie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Thursday 25 February 16 16:36 GMT (UK): Hi, You have the name Gallacher in your list and I was wondering if it is my line. My mother was Margaret Gallacher, born to Elizabeth (Lizzie) Gallacher who was the daughter of John Gallacher. I have bee trying to get info on Lizzie all I have are her birth and death records and one census. I have been trying to find out where she is buried but am having no luck
Thank you
Aynn
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 01 March 16 23:28 GMT (UK): Hi, Aynn Is your Lizzie from Duntocher...if so the Graveyard would be Dalnotter Old cemetery...and Dalnotter New cemetery. Good luck
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Friday 11 March 16 00:04 GMT (UK): I am not sure of the time frame of this, I am guessing that it is early 40's my Mum is wearing the light coloured clothing and the young girl in front of her is the unknown one. hope fully I can find out who she is
Thank you
Aynn
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Paul Mcgachy on Sunday 13 March 16 21:41 GMT (UK): jintyjo not sure of how to use this to get in touch with you may have some information on your grandfather my grandfather was patrick mcteague regards paul
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: sarah on Monday 14 March 16 10:19 GMT (UK): Hi Paul,

Welcome to RootsChat. When you reply to a topic on RootsChat the other posters are notified by email of your new reply hopefully Jintyjo will reply very soon.

Edited I have just checked on Jintyjo's email notification and sadly it looks like she may have changed email address maybe one of the other members is still in touch with Jo?

Regards

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Paul Mcgachy on Monday 14 March 16 19:38 GMT (UK): Quote from: sarah on Monday 14 March 16 10:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Paul,

Welcome to RootsChat. When you reply to a topic on RootsChat the other posters are notified by email of your new reply hopefully Jintyjo will reply very soon.

Edited I have just checked on Jintyjo's email notification and sadly it looks like she may have changed email address maybe one of the other members is still in touch with Jo?

Regards

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Paul Mcgachy on Monday 14 March 16 19:41 GMT (UK): hi sarah thanks for the reply i think her daughter stays in duntocher i would be much obliged if someone could put me in touch with her many thanks paul
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Friday 25 March 16 17:01 GMT (UK): Hi Folks, Cant remember If I have already posted the photo of Filshie's pub that was. Its changed hands a couple of times, but the outside remains the same. There was another window to the right ,the canopy is recent. myyran xx

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Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Calvinjsmith on Tuesday 05 April 16 03:36 BST (UK): Hi. I am looking for relatives from the Duntocher area. Sadie Thomson (Main)... Sister to Mary Main (my grandmother). She and most of my long-lost relatives are from the Duntocher and Clydebank area. Any info would be great!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 05 April 16 13:03 BST (UK): Hi Calvinjsmith, I'm sure one or two of Sadie's sons are still around Duntocher. If you go into the website Duntocher Past and Present someone will be able to help you. I knew Sadie very well such a lovely kind lady, unfortunately she passed a few years ago.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Calvinjsmith on Tuesday 05 April 16 14:30 BST (UK): Thanks so much myryan! We were hopeful she might still be alive. My grandmother passed about 10 yrs ago now. I was aware she had two boys - twins I believe. I am not certain their names... possibly Jarrod and Paul? Will definitely take your advice and check out the website. Have a wonderful day!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Tuesday 05 April 16 17:14 BST (UK): Hi Calvinjsmith, I just read your PM. And seen your messages on here. The web site myyran refers to is on facebook, it is a group of Duntocher folk, and they are extremely helpful. They will be the ones for sure that can help you track your living family down. Here is the link to the group https://www.facebook.com/groups/duntocherlocal/
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jcjc123 on Saturday 09 April 16 19:08 BST (UK): Quote from: Calvinjsmith on Tuesday 05 April 16 03:36 BST (UK)
Hi. I am looking for relatives from the Duntocher area. Sadie Thomson (Main)... Sister to Mary Main (my grandmother). She and most of my long-lost relatives are from the Duntocher and Clydebank area. Any info would be great!

is this the famous sadie of 'sadies' the little 'corner shop' that used to stand beside the post office?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 11 April 16 13:10 BST (UK): Hi jcjc123, the 'Sadies' shop you are referring to was the Drapers, first shop on Dumbarton Road (main street). The lady who served in it for years lived in Duntocher her name was Bridget Killett. Don't know where 'Sadie' lived. The other one you mention at the Post Office, was Farrells paper shop. been there for many years, run by Mrs Farrell and her two daughters Betty and Rena. x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: expat1 on Monday 30 May 16 13:07 BST (UK): Hi Calvinssmith
Sadie Thompson nee Main was my Auntie, her brother John Mainwas my father, and i guess your gran was Mary Fallardue ( sorry if the spellings wrong )
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Calvinjsmith on Tuesday 31 May 16 13:21 BST (UK): Hi. Yes, my grams name was Mary Falardeau. I understand they had a brother named John although none of us know anything about him except what I learned through my cousin Gerry. Is this Janice?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: expat1 on Saturday 04 June 16 03:02 BST (UK): Hello calvinjsmith
My auntie Mary had two brothers and one sister, John ( my dad ) Neal ( Nealy ) and Sarah ( Sadie )
I think Nealy is still with us living near ST Andrews ( Scotland ), Between us ( my brothers and sister ) we have built up a bit of the family tree, hope to talk again soon.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: jslade on Sunday 12 June 16 14:39 BST (UK): Quote from: Helen on Thursday 12 August 10 00:26 BST (UK)
So he is standing next to my uncle Tommy Stewart, yes? That's brilliant. ;D
Helen
I'm new to the site, I live in Grimsby, Ontario, my mother was born in Duntocher, her name was Ellen Stewart, My Grandfather was James Stewart, his mother was Roseann Gallagher (Gallacher) from Ireland, he had two brothers Charlie and Richard and a sister Hannah
I looked at the photo of the Stewart s in front of Filshes pub and the gentlemen on the left side of the photo looks very much like my grandfather - could they be related?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Tehamill on Friday 18 August 17 22:48 BST (UK): Quote from: Helen on Sunday 14 October 07 02:43 BST (UK)
Hi Henry,
My Mochan's and Hamills are related through marriage. Do you have any Mochans?
My cousin Deb will no doubt recognise all the other names you have mentioned.
Helen

Hi Helen,

I know this thread must be pretty old. Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing back from you if you do see this. My great-grandfather, Michael Hamill, born 1893 in Duntocher had a brother named Hugh Hamill, so I think we're related! My grandfather (Gene Hamill, lived in US) said he always hoped to walk into Hugh Hamill's saloon in Scotland.

Thanks,
Teresa
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 21 August 17 00:48 BST (UK): Hi Teresa,
My great aunt Annie Mochan was married to Hugh Hamill, and they had sons Michael & Hugh (as well as 10 other children that I am aware of). Although I have Michael's birthdate as 1st Sept 1892, 52 William Street, Duntocher. Same man?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Tehamill on Thursday 24 August 17 06:21 BST (UK): Hi Helen!

Wow this is great!! We are related then! Yes my grandfather had written Sept 1, 1893 for Michael Hamill's birthday, but it's just handwritten and he's got other typos in the same document, so I'm pretty sure we're talking about the same man. He also has that Michael Hamill's nephew was Sir Patrick Hamill, police chief of Strathclyde. I've been trying to research the family a bit, do you have any more info about Hugh & Annie or their ancestors? I have my grandfather's notes that give a bit of info about Hugh and Annie's son's if you're interested, but he knew almost nothing about Annie and Hugh's generation or before.

Anyway I'm glad to just know Annie Mochan's name which I didn't before! Thanks!
Teresa
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 25 August 17 00:59 BST (UK): Annie Mochan (1 Jan 1873 - 30 Aug 1915 ) was the daughter of Michael Mochan & Mary O'Donnell. She married Hugh Hamill 14 Nov 1890. He was born 28 Jan 1871 & died Aft. 1920. His parents were Joseph Hamill & Euphemia Simpson. Hugh & Annie's children were:
Joseph, b, 1890, d. 1890, Michael, b. 1892, Euphemia, b. 1894, d. 1897, Mary Jane, b. 1897, Hugh, b. 1900, James, b. 1901, Anne, b. 1904, Patrick, b. 1906, Denis, b. 1908, John, b. 1910, Euphemia, b. 1912.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Tehamill on Friday 25 August 17 23:52 BST (UK): Wow thank you so much!!!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 26 August 17 02:22 BST (UK): You are welcome :) There are direct Hamill family members on this forum Hopefully if Mary Catherine Small sees this post she might reply to you.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: marrich on Saturday 09 September 17 09:10 BST (UK): I have discovered from a site known as Scotlands People (may already be known by other memberes) in Edinburgh, a link to Thomas Murray (1). His father was Peter Murray married to a Margt Wilkie (as shown on Parish register). They were married in 13/6/ 1766. His wife Christian Taylor father was Alexander Taylor married to Jannet Burn at Muthill Perthshire on 7/6/1771. I am 'chasing' dates back from 1766 i.e. where and when Peter murray was born and his parents. To Debbie and others out there, sorry for being off site for to long. Back with a lot of enthusiasm. P.S Scotlands People in Edinburgh is a great search site. Richard Stewart, Lochgelly, Fife Scotland

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Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Sunday 10 September 17 19:31 BST (UK): Richard! So lovely to see you back :) Your ears must have been burning, because Helen and I were just talking about you the other day, wondering where you were. I am so pleased to hear from you, and yes, we love Scotland's People too. I will send you an email to your btinternet address so that you have my new email as well. Debs
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 11 September 17 03:22 BST (UK): Hello Richard :) I have been searching for you for so long that I have forgotten what I wanted to say and/or ask! I will email you so you have my address too. Yes, Deb & I have been using Scotlands people for years. It's new and improved now, you used to have to pay to see the indexes but now just for the images.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: CrimsonFox on Sunday 19 November 17 02:56 GMT (UK): Hi robc4708 & Leagle1,

I saw your post below robc4708, and think I may be the Kelly's you are referring to. You see I match on a Big Y dna test (on FTDNA) with Dempsey's, Duffy, Malloys, Molloys, and a McLean who claims his family is from Tiree, Scotland. And I also match with a Gallagher and some Carrolls (distantly). My closest matches are a McLean from Tiree, a Dempsey, and some Lockharts. I also have a close "Ufford" cousin which is paternal. And a Mackenzie 2nd to 4th cousin (I am not sure if this Mackenzie cousin is a maternal or paternal dna match, because it is a match on an autosomal dna test). I also have two dna matches who claim to be linked to MacKenzie ancestors from Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland (I'm not sure if these two matches are maternal or paternal either, it's an autosomal test). One of the Mackenzie matches claims to also be connected to the ancestral name of Docherty (also from Paisley). I have a close dna match with a Mulligan, a Hevey, and a Naughton on a YDNA 25 marker test (with a genetic distance of 0). I match with Lockharts on that same Y-DNA 25 marker test with a genetic distance of 1. I also match with a McLucas and a McConkey. I also match with a Treacy, Gorman, Conley, Robertson, Duncan, and Dunbar. My Dempsey match supposedly shares 268,721 dna variants with me on a Big Y dna test. And my McLean match shares 268,254 dna variants with me. My next closest matches on my Big Y dna test are Wilson-266,622 shared, Buchan-266,262 shared, Milligan-265,644, Clark-265,209 (These Clarks claim to be from Co. Sligo). I'd love to figure out what the connection is, since I have been looking for the origins of my Kelly line with very little luck. And I have no idea why I have a close dna connection to a Dempsey and a McLean from Tiree, Scotland. I have a family tree that I created. Would definitely like to discuss it further with both of you (robc4708 & Leagle1), to see what can be shared and discovered.

Quote from: robc4708 on Sunday 14 December 08 00:46 GMT (UK)
Hi,

It is great to hear from you. I'm not sure just how the Duffys and Kellys are related to the Molloys, or is it the Dempsey's? That is part of the family tree that I don't have sorted. I do know that my grandfather John Molloy's mother was Ellen Gallagher. Her father was Hugh Gallagher.
I still have an uncle living in Duntocher. He was married to my mum's sister who died a few years ago.
We live in Canada and my mum lives quite far from me, but she will be visiting in the new year and we plan on spending some time going over family history. Maybe we can arrange something then, or perhaps earlier.

Happy Christmas to you all,

Rob
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Leagle1 on Tuesday 21 November 17 01:08 GMT (UK): Hello CrimsonFox.
I have had several DNA tests done and have a lot of info on my family connections. Perhaps we should establish contact and compare notes. Of the surnames you have mentioned I have connections to Kellys, Duffys, Malloys, McLeans and of course Gallaghers. From the sounds of it we have a great deal in common and it would be very useful to explore those connections.

Please feel free to PM me so that take matters further.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Sunday 10 December 17 22:37 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie in BC:
It has been quite a while since I have been here, my Mum was a Gallacher from Duntocher, Margaret Gallacher b 1925 her family lived on Old street, New Street and Williams Street
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 11 December 17 16:12 GMT (UK): Hi Aynn! Lovely to meet you. I have searched through my records, and unfortunately, I don't have anything on your Mum Margaret born 1925.
Although, I am sure there must be a connection somewhere between all the Gallacher families in Duntocher, from what I understand, most of them hailed from Donegal originally, so it seems very likely, if only we could get back far enough in the Donegal records to prove it.

Are you on Facebook Aynn? There is a large and very active Duntocher group on there with tons of members, and lots of local knowledge on all things Duntocher. You may want to swing by there and say hello, I would bet someone on there will remember your family. Search for "Duntocher Past and Present" on FB.

All the best, Debbie
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Monday 11 December 17 18:59 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie: i am on the fb page Duntocher Past and Present, have some info. I have had one question answered through them which helped. :) Will still keep trying for the others.
Aynn
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 11 December 17 21:23 GMT (UK): Deb, we do have a Margaret Gallacher born sometime after 1919, with sisters Anne & Catherine. Possible match? Her parents were James Gallacher & Catherine Bogle.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 11 December 17 23:36 GMT (UK): You're right Helen, I wonder if they match up with Aynn's family? I hope she see's your post :)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Tuesday 12 December 17 20:18 GMT (UK): My Mum was b 1925 her sister Anne was b 1939, their mother was Elizabeth Gallacher, b 1906 Lizzie is the daughter of John and Margaret Gallacher (McAlister). John had a brother named James b 1864 they are the sons of John and Ellen Gallacher (McGinley) who is the son of James and Ann Gallacher (Cunningham).
thank you for your help
Aynn
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 12 December 17 22:41 GMT (UK): Sorry our Gallachers don't match up with yours. :'(
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Aynn on Wednesday 13 December 17 03:43 GMT (UK): That is ok: have hit the proverbial brick wall, but will keep plugging away.
Thank you
Aynn
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: CrimsonFox on Sunday 17 December 17 09:23 GMT (UK): Hi again Legal1 & robc4708,

Just an update to my previous message to you. The amount of dna markers that my Dempsey dna match shares with me had increased to 287,879 markers and the markers my McLean (from Tiree, Scotland) dna match shares with me has increased to 287,476 markers. I also now have a Mertz dna match who shares 289,431 markers with me. I don't know much about their history. Only that it is German and Dutch and from the Rhineland area in Germany. And that their was also a Mertz branch in Poland. I looked online and it says that the Mertz name is from the Roman God of War Mars and that the Mertz name becames Martz when they immigrated to America. Also that Mertz is a variant of Mertens/Martens or Martins. In the interest of time I will list other names that match closely with me that are new matches and the amount of markers they share with me. Maley (probably Mealey, a decendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages) 289,111 markers shared, Gilmore 288,892 markers shared, P. Moore Greer (decended from a Grear) 288,401 markers shared, McGough 288,204 markers shared, Gwinn 288,058 markers shared, Bryant 288,007 markers shared, Doherty (the III, most distant ancestor was from Buncrana, Co. Donegal, Ireland) 287,877 markers shared, Johnson (most distant ancestor was Johnston from Cavan, Ireland) 287,391 markers shared, Shaughnessy 286,573 markers shared, Wilson 285,818 markers shared, Walton 285,481 markers shared, Buchan 285,405 markers shared, Cain 285,012 markers shared, Milligan 284,563 markers shared, Stubley 284,557 markers shared, Clark (Clark ancestor was from Co. Sligo born there in 1700) 284,093 markers shared, Braswell 283,775 markers shared, Malloy 283,760 markers shared, McNutt 283,413 markers shared, Cosby 283,147 markers shared, Robbins 282,749 markers shared, McKee 282,487 markers shared, Campbell 281,829 markers shared, Bryan 281,347 markers shared, Hughes 279,323 markers shared, McClanahan 279,311 markers shared, Halloran 279,041 markers shared, Milliken 278,822 markers shared, Dolan 278,515 markers shared, Carney 277,686 markers shared, Liss 277,649 markers shared, Donnelly 277,639 markers shared, Naughton 277,231 markers shared, Craig 276,300 markers shared, McAnally 276,237 markers shared, Dunbar 275,713 markers shared, Galyean 275,539 markers shared, Campbell 275,036 markers shared, Russell 274,752 markers shared, Williams 273,980 markers shared, Robertson 273,118 markers shared, Glass 271,690 markers shared, Milligan 271,368 markers shared, Mullins 270,912 markers shared, Robertson 269,941 markers shared, Gibb 268,725 markers shared, Larkin 268,424 markers shared, Logan 268,207 markers shared, McQueen 265,897 markers shared, Conway 265,022 markers shared, Patterson 264,492 markers shared, McBride 261,676 markers shared, Daugherty 259,617 markers shared, O'Shaughnessy 259,220 markers shared, Heaney 259,045 markers shared, Morrison 255,950 markers shared, Lennon 255,340 markers shared, McAleer 253,753 markers shared, Laird 252,505 markers shared, Larsson 252,232 markers shared, Dodson 252,207 markers shared, Jack 251,998 markers shared, Sutherland 137,832 markers shared. I also match closely with a Ross (he is a 1st cousin twice removed). My Ross and Sutherland matches may be connected to my McKee dna match and somehow connected to the MacKee/McKee surname. This seems possible, but I haven't confirmed it.

All of these matches that I match with on my BigY dna test from familytreedna.com seem to be classified as carrying the "Niall of the Nine Hostages" marker. I'd like to figure out where my Kelly family originates from and why I have these matches. Also what connection I have to Duntocher, Tiree, Scotland due to a McLean match from Tiree. But I'd also like to know what my Dempsey, Gallagher, Malloy, Doherty, Duffy and McGee matches mean and what connections my Kellys have with them as well. Lastly I'd like to know what my Mertz match means which is my closest BigY dna match. Anyone who knows the history of Mertz in Ireland or Scotland and knows their pedigree, please send it to me in PM. I think Mertz may be a shortened variant of Martin or MacMartin (Clan Martin? or is FitzMartin?), not sure. Hoping to figure out where my Kelly line came from soon. Thanks and Merry Christmas. :)

Gene
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: CrimsonFox on Friday 22 December 17 02:20 GMT (UK): Hi Leagle 1,

Okay sure, will do. I would definitely like to explore connections to see how and why we connect. Please check out my other posts, I have posted other dna information about some of my dna matches.

Gene
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Sunday 23 September 18 19:22 BST (UK): Hi there, my dads is from Duntocher he is one of the Allan’s from Hillend, my gran was Leticia Malloy originally from Letterkenny Ireland.

Just noticed you where looking at duntocher and the name Malloy.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: theostler on Sunday 02 December 18 10:06 GMT (UK): Hi all, new to the list.

I am researching the Gallachers in Duntocher. John Gallacher (b. 1837, Ireland) was my GG Grandfather and Mary Morrow (b. 1843, Ireland) my GG Grandmother.

I have got their marriage document, both death registrations and the birth certificate for their daughter Fanny (my G Grandmother) which confirms the marriage details, all from Scotlands People

The problem I have is with Mary's death certificate.

On all other documents I have John working as a labourer of some sort, but on Mary's death certificate he is listed as a Coal Merchant

On her death certificate, however, her father is listed as William whereas on her marriage certificate he is given as James. Their is also a discrepancy about her mothers maiden name (death cert has it as Doughall and marriage has it has McDowall), but I am happy to put that down to pronunciation and potential illiteracy (and therefore being unable to spell).

That said, on her death certificate her maiden name is given as Morrow, the death was registered by son Frank (Francis) and they appear to live in New Street.

The 3 positive matches seem to indicate she is the correct Mary (the maiden surname especially), but even allowing for illiteracy, spelling and accent issues, the issue of her father's name is throwing me as is husband John's profession.

Hopefully, I haven't lost everyone here, but was hopeful someone might be able to shed light on this or any other Mary Gallacher (Morrow), or the rest of the family for that matter.

I do have a query regarding the Police Station in Duntocher in 1890's but will create a new post for that as it isn't relevant here.

Thanks in advance for any and all replies.

Steven
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 02 December 18 21:24 GMT (UK): Hi Steve, Mary Morrow was my great grand aunt, she was the half sister of my great grandmother Catherine Stewart - Mary McDowall was married to Thomas Stewart prior to her marriage with William James Morrow. My Cousin Deborah Hudon would be able to answer your queries better than I, but she is otherwise occupied at the moment. I will make sure she is aware of your post. Regards, Helen
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: theostler on Monday 03 December 18 13:09 GMT (UK): Thanks Helen, your help is really appreciated.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 03 December 18 17:51 GMT (UK): Hi Steven,

You are on the right track with the family. John Gallacher was a coal merchant, I have 3 sources citing that. I think he is listed as such in the 1891 census, again in the 1894 General Directory "Duntocher General Directory - Gallacher John, Coal Dealer, 27 Old Street, Duntocher" and then again on a marriage certificate of John Gallacher and Rachel Finlay.

Here is the link to my public ancestry tree, check it out, and feel free to make use of any relevant documents that I have uploaded on the family. This link should get you to John Gallacher's page
https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/person/tree/108443933/person/250065473233/facts

I can also send you a descendant report on the family if you would like to pm me your main email address.

Your Grandmother Fanny Frances - she married Andrew Anderson. Which one of their children is your line?

Nice to meet you cousin!

Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: theostler on Monday 03 December 18 18:52 GMT (UK): Hi Deb,

Nice to make contact with long lost cousins...

Thanks for the info thus far, I'll send my email address via PM shortly. My grandmother was Annie Anderson, who was the youngest of six.

Mary, 1890-1974
Jeanie (1893-)
Andrew (1896-1918)
Hannah (1902-)
George (1903- )
Annie (1910-1991)

Obviously, none of her other brothers and sisters are alive, but I don't have full information as to dates, etc yet.

I'll send that email address shortly with any other info I can about the remainder of the family. I can't post any of it here as my immediate family are all still alive and I have no permission to share any of that information publicly.

Thanks again, take care.

Steven
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 03 December 18 19:08 GMT (UK): No worries! I will keep an eye out for your pm and send off what I have to you.

I also have a fair bit of information on Daniel Sinclair... and I am actively looking for more on him... he married Hannah Anderson.
Have you done the ancestry dna yet? It has thrown up some surprising results in my own tree.

Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 04 December 18 02:29 GMT (UK): To Steve - you're welcome.
To my wonderful cousin Deb - thanks for the swift response, I wasn't expecting you to be on board yet. xx
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: WC Crow on Monday 13 May 19 18:10 BST (UK): Hi All...
I am doing some research after a long break on the Croziers of Duntocher... my great grandfather was Robert Crozier, grandfather William... all lived around New St, William St. Other family names in the chain... Renton, Sweenie (Sweeny, Sweeney etc. lol). Any info or conversation is welcome! Thanks
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 13 May 19 21:57 BST (UK): Hi Theostler, I see you are looking for info regarding Police station in Duntocher. My father was a constable who was based in the station. willing to help as much as I can. Also there are lots of Gallacher's still living in the village although there are a few different families. They would all have been connected if you went back in history.Myyran.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 13 May 19 22:07 BST (UK): Hi Aynn, I can see you posted some time ago. Just to let you know there is still a lot of Gallachers live in Duntocher. There is also a website called Duntocher past and Present which you may find useful. Myyran
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Monday 13 May 19 22:35 BST (UK): Hi WC Crow, I'm sure the spelling you would be looking for is Sweeney. The are 2 websites that could maybe help you...scotlandspeople and Duntocher past and Present. good luck!
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: WC Crow on Tuesday 14 May 19 00:05 BST (UK): Thanks myryan! I am going to go to those and look around. I am looking for William Sweeny, Fireman... died in 1901 at New St. (my 2nd Great Grandfather).
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: myyran on Tuesday 14 May 19 00:38 BST (UK): Hi WC Crow, forgot to mention another website you can ask for help is... Scottish Genealogy.. good luck.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Saturday 26 October 19 18:10 BST (UK): Hello my name is Jackie. My grandfather is Thomas Stewart who was married to Mary Sweeny. Their son Hugh is my father. I was so pleased to see the posts looking for Stewart's of Duntocher. I don't know much about my Scottish family but was delighted to see photos of my grandfather Thomas. Any relatives I have in Scotland I would love to hear from.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Saturday 26 October 19 19:13 BST (UK): Quote from: margaret sarah on Friday 05 November 10 12:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Debbie, is you granmother; "Maggie Stewart" also Known as Gretta Coyle? and is Gretta (number vii child of Flora and William Stewart) the Brother of Thomas Stewart? I've managed to contact my Cousin Jim, Jim is the son of Aunt Cissie (1st daughter of Thomas Stewart) Cissie is on the left while Sadie 2nd Daughter is on the right). Both now deceased. He said it was OK to post this photo on the sight; hopefully there are cousins out there somewhere. (Children of Thomas Stewart & Cissie Sweeney) Any news about the Stewarts will be very welcome.

Margaret Sarah xx
[/quote Thomas Stewart and Mary Sweeny are my grand parents.]
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Saturday 26 October 19 22:39 BST (UK): Hi Jackie, Thomas Stewart was my uncle. My mother was his younger sister Chrissie. Some of Deb's details in that quote is correct, but not all - Maggie Stewart was Deb's granny, and Gretta Coyle was Maggies daughter.
Helen x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 27 October 19 01:06 GMT (UK): Jackie, is there any chance you could share some info about my cousin Hugh? Who he married, family, etc? Does he live in Scotland? I don't, btw, I'm in Australia.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Sunday 27 October 19 18:08 GMT (UK): Hi Helen. I have Thomas Stewart's death certificate. Thomas was married twice. Mary Sweeny my father's mother and Mary Meechan. My dad came to live in England as a young man. He had brothers I know of Barney John James Wally and I believe maybe Arthur. I also think he had two sisters. Sadly my dad died in 2007. My dad was a very kind man and had a passion for Animals which he must of inherited from his father then passed down the legacy to us his children. I know my dad went home to Duntocher a few times when we were younger and took us with him once. I have always wanted to know my Scottish roots and am pleased to have found this site. X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 27 October 19 20:52 GMT (UK): It's a wonderful site isn't it? When I was reading your message I had flashbacks of when my Mam used to talk about Tommy and how great he was with animals - there wasn't a dog that didn't love Tommy! When my Mam went back to Scotland in the 80's she took a studio portrait of Tommy & one of his greyhounds, and gave it to one of Tommy's sons - which one I don't know. I always loved that photo but unfortunately my mother never thought to get a copy made, just handed over the original!! That was my Mam :) I knew about Tommy's 1st marriage, and the 3 resulting children, but according to their marriage certificate her name was Sarah Meechan. Where in England did Hugh move to? We lived in Lancashire before coming to Australia. x
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Sunday 27 October 19 21:57 GMT (UK): Hi Helen. My dad lived in London where he met my mum Moira got married in the late 50's and had me a few years later. He then moved to Hertfordshire where he stayed until he died. I'm not sure if my dad was one of the eldest or youngest of the brothers maybe in between. Although my dad's name was Hugh he was always known as Tom for as long as I can remember. My dad had three girls. I do remember writing to one of my cousin's in dontocher I think her name was Caroline or Carolyn Stewart. That's strange the death certificate states Mary Meecan as wife number two. When dad died we tried to notify his family mainly John but failed. I'm sure dad said his nephew Thomas Stewart was a priest we tried through the priesthood to notify his family that also failed. I have always wanted to be in touch with my Scottish family so are we second cousin's? X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Sunday 27 October 19 22:23 GMT (UK): According to my relationship examiner we are 1st cousins, one time removed. Tommy & Sarah were married on the 26th Nov. 1913, Dalmuir. So, as you can see, Sarah was wife #1. They had 2 daughters who lived to the ages of 73 & 61, and a son Thomas who died aged 2.
The children from the 2nd marriage were William, Thomas (aka Barney), Evelyne, Hugh, Florence, John, James & Arthur.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Sunday 27 October 19 22:48 GMT (UK): Hi Helen thank you for that history. Dad and John always thought they were half brothers?? So Mary Sweeny was the second wife!! I actually met her then when dad took us home to duntocher.wow didn't realise he had more sisters. Now I might be a bit confused but somewhere I thought my dad had a twin?? Probably confused. It's so lovely to see all the children's names together. Was that the names in age order? I can't wait to show my sister all this information. Thank you again. X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 28 October 19 02:14 GMT (UK): Do you have any photos of your grandfather? I have 3 or 4 of Uncle Tommy if you are interested.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 28 October 19 02:22 GMT (UK): Cousin Deb (Deborah Hudon) should jump in to the conversation anytime now, I've let her know :)
And she is a wealth of knowledge so you will enjoy talking to her too.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 28 October 19 18:07 GMT (UK): Hi Jackie! I am your second cousin Debbie :) Helen emailed me last night to say you were on here, and then this morning I finally got a notification from the thread that there were new posts. Gotta love technology lol!

My Granny was Margaret Stewart, Sister to your grandfather Tommy. I run a pretty large family tree of all the Stewarts on ancestry, you need to check it out! Over the years, Helen & I have done a ton of work on the family, gathered pictures, we are always looking for pictures! And uploaded everything so the extended family can share in our progress.

We have a few documents pertaining to Tommy you might like to see - Attestation papers from WW1, his 1913 marriage certificate to Sarah Meecham, his 1893 birth certificate and his British pension records. His marriage certificate to Mary Jane Sweeney and his death certificate are on the 'to purchase' list, as they have not been digitized by Scotland's People website as yet.

Although, I see you mention you have his death cert! You must have the originals?

We also have 5 or 6 pics of Tommy uploaded, you are welcome to download and copy any of them.

Here is a link to our public ancestry tree - https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/tree/108443933

Once you locate the profile page for Thomas Murray Stewart, click his gallery and you will see all the pics and documents.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Monday 28 October 19 19:28 GMT (UK): Hi Helen I will go through all my parents photos. I'm sure there might be some?? X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Monday 28 October 19 19:45 GMT (UK): Hi Debbie lovely to meet you and Helen. Yes I have the original death certificate my dad signed it as NOK. I will go on the site and check out the family tree thank you. I can send you a photo of my dad bless him. I'm going to go through all my parents black and white photos. I'm sure there must be photos from way back. I remember when my grandfather died although I never met him. My dad went home to Duntocher and was away for my sixteenth birthday which was 7/12/76. I did meet uncle John several times and Wally which was probably William once years ago when they come to England to stay with us. My sister Kelly is due home today from Turkey I can't wait to share this good news with her. X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 28 October 19 20:13 GMT (UK): Jackie, there is a ton of stuff you and your Sister will enjoy looking at on the family tree. If you have photo's or documents you can share, we would LOVE to see them!
Nice to meet a new Cousin :) :) :) Deb
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Monday 28 October 19 20:23 GMT (UK): Lovely to be in touch with my dad's family it has always been my ambition. I will search out documents. I'm sure I have my grandad birth certificate too. One question you might be able to answer for me. Was the name Murray a middle name? Not clear on that. 😃
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Monday 28 October 19 20:41 GMT (UK): Are you sure they weren't saying "Wullie"? That's what my parents would have shortened William to. Like Deb said - any photos/documents will be more than welcome, and I would love to see a photo of your parents. You don't need to sent to both of us, Deb will do, we share ;)
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Monday 28 October 19 20:46 GMT (UK): Yes, he was born Thomas Murray Stewart, 10 Jul 1893
14 Salisbury Place, Radnor Park, Dunbartonshire, Scotland.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Jackie Moore on Monday 28 October 19 21:01 GMT (UK): Yes it could of been Wullie. I will sort out the photos and documents. X
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Monday 18 November 19 21:14 GMT (UK): Quote from: mk on Sunday 12 March 06 21:28 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I have just recently started researching my family tree and this is the 1st time that i have been on this website.

I have a bit of stuff on Mochan and Hamills And a little on Simpson and Provan I can drop you a tree link by pm ? You can check but I’m sure we are on the same path

My maternal grandfather was a Mochan from Duntocher, his father John Mochan (married to Catherine McGlinchey) was born in Duntocher in 1878. His father Michael (married to Mary O'Donnell) was born in Ireland in 1843.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Tuesday 03 December 19 02:07 GMT (UK): Hi there, sorry that I took so long to reply, I've been away. Yes, we are talking about the same family, your grandfather John Mochan was my granny Mary Mochan's younger brother. I have quite a bit on the Mochans dating back to about 1785. I have been in touch with John & Catherine's great granddaughter, Mary Catherine Ceaigen, is she from your family?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Tuesday 03 December 19 03:01 GMT (UK): My 3rd great grandmother was Catherine Hamill 1859
her brother
Hugh Hamill 1871
Was married to
Annie Mochan 1873
Annie was the sister of
John Mochan Marie’s to Catherine McGlinchey

I believe Michael Mochan and Mary O’Donnell are John and Annie’s parents ?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 03 December 19 08:16 GMT (UK): Quote from: PearsonKenneway on Tuesday 03 December 19 03:01 GMT (UK)
I believe Michael Mochan and Mary O’Donnell are John and Annie’s parents ?
There's no need to be uncertain about this. If they were married in Scotland, their marriage certificates will tell you the full names of their parents including their mother's (or mothers') maiden surname(s). You can get those certificates from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk at modest cost.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Tuesday 03 December 19 12:37 GMT (UK): Yea I know this I was just adding to the conversation so that if anyone was off the lines I am then they could contact me, I just haven’t went further on these lines as there so far removed from myself
Thanks for your input tho
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 05 December 19 02:53 GMT (UK): Yes, that is correct, Michael Mochan & Mary O'Donnell (married 6th Oct 1965) were the parents of 7 children that I am aware of - Helen Mochan m, Patrick Gallacher, Patrick Mochan m, Margaret Cardiff, Dennis Mochan m. Annie Harvey, Annie Mochan as you know m. Hugh Hamill, Thomas Mochan died in infancy, Mary Ann Mochan (my granny) m, Michael Joseph (Joe) Cuthbertson, & John Mochan had 2 marriages, 1st to Janet McDonach, (2 sons, James & Michael) and then to Catherine McGlinchey.

So your 3x grandmothers parents were Joseph Hamill (1827-1880)& Euphemia Simpson (1833-1899)- correct? That's as far back as I have gone with the Hamill's, the info was on Hugh Hamill / Annie Mochan marriage cert.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Thursday 05 December 19 07:27 GMT (UK): Yes Helen that is correct re Hugh parents, Joseph and Euphemia

Joseph was the son of

Hugh Hamill 1800
And
Mary Ann ????? (No date or surname)

Euphemia Simpson was the daughter of

David Simpson 1800
And
Jain/Jane Provan 1801

I then have Janes sisters and her parents and grandparents then nothing from here as yet
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 05 December 19 20:56 GMT (UK): Thanks for that info :D I see you have listed Allan family from Duntocher - mine start qith Thomas Allan & Kathleen Maher, m.1927 Old Kilpatrick - any connection there?
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Friday 06 December 19 04:21 GMT (UK): I don’t think it the same Allans as I don’t have these names on my tree, but my dads sister who is an Allan is married to a man who is also an Allan and my 4th great grand father Robert Allan married Margaret Marshal Allan so there are 3 different Allan family’s all inter married so possibly from one line.
You also have lynch lines too.
I have
Peter lynch + ?
=
Joseph lynch + ?
=
Ann lynch + John Curran
=
William Curran 1838
+ Jane Robertson 1837
=
Margaret Curran 1868
+ John Allan 1865
=
William John Allan 1889
+ Margaret Glachan 1894
=
John Allan 1912
+ Ellen Jane O’Donnell
=
Grandad 1938 - present
+ Letitia Malloy 1942 - 2007
Dad
Me
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Friday 06 December 19 05:09 GMT (UK): No. none of those names are a match with mine, but then again something might line up eventually.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Ronnie10000 on Monday 01 November 21 13:05 GMT (UK): Sorry Helen, I meant to write message on this thread.

As I said, Hamill is 3x Great Grand Parents.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Wednesday 15 December 21 10:16 GMT (UK): Just to let anyone on here know who doesn’t know already.

My grandad
John Anthony Allan of Hillend crescent
B:3/7/38 passed away peacefully in his sleep at the Queen Elizabeth.

His funeral will take place on Friday 17/12/21 @ 9:15am St.Mary’s Chapel Duntocher the family ask if everyone could please be in chapel before 9am to allow everyone to comply with the current track and trace and covid guide lines, the chapel will be restricted to 300 inside of the numbers are greater the service will be heard from outside in the grounds. We will then proceed down to the cemetery (Dalnotter) where he will be buried together again with my gran Leticia Allan (nee’ Malloy)at the family plot.

A silvery sad loss for the village.

John was born in 55 Hillend and spent most of his life in the street after bringing his own family up in 56 Hillend.

He was also a beloved member of the hardgate celtic supporters club and don’t miss many games at all.

A special father, grandfather and great grandfather who will be sorely missed.

Hail Hail
Rest in peace grandad

The family would also wish to express our deepest thank yous to all the kind words and all of the support that has been give.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Debbie in B.C. on Wednesday 15 December 21 16:58 GMT (UK): I am very sorry for your loss, condolences to all your family
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: PearsonKenneway on Wednesday 15 December 21 19:04 GMT (UK): Thank you Debbie I just thought to post on here as I know many Duntocher people past and present are on here.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: Helen on Thursday 16 December 21 02:08 GMT (UK): Sincere condolences to your family, sorry to hear of your loss. Vale Mr Allan.
Title: Re: Duntocher families
Post by: gaxa on Monday 01 April 24 17:28 BST (UK): trying to get in touch with joette

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