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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Brisgirl on Tuesday 17 August 04 05:11 BST (UK)
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Hello Rootschatters,
I have some Australian birth, christening (early records), marriage & death indexes I'd be happy to search for you. They are:
NEW SOUTH WALES -- births 1788-1905, marriages & deaths 1788-1945
[also available online at: http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm]
VICTORIA -- births, marriages & deaths 1837-1888
[also available online at:
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256C7100199CBE/OrigDoc/~1542E3A9C6B6BE3DCA256C72001CAE6E?OpenDocument&1=13-Index+Search~&2=10-Index+Categories~&3=~
... births 1853-1924, marriages 1853-1942, deaths 1853-1985, old church records 1836-1853 ...
AUS$0.99 per page to view any results, but searching is free]
TASMANIA -- births, marriages & deaths 1803-1899
WESTERN AUSTRALIA -- births, marriages & deaths 1841-1905
[also available online at:
http://www.justice.wa.gov.au/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_323_201_0_43/http%3B/justicecontent.extranet.justice.wa.gov.au/bdm/search.asp?structureID=96554822&resourceID=295610339&type=BIRTH]
If you would like an index look-up, please provide:
*person's name
*state [colony] to be searched
*approximate date/s
*and any other information that could help me pinpoint the right person
You can send me a personal message if you'd prefer by clicking on the green scroll icon to the left of this message.
If you have a lot of ancestors that require tracking down, consider purchasing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' "Australian Vital Records Index, 1788-1905" CDs for a ridiculously cheap US$9.00 + postage via their website: www.familysearch.org
I can also search some 19th century immigration records for Victoria, New South Wales and Queensland. You can also do this yourself via the following websites:
Assisted Immigration, Victoria
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=24
Unassisted Immigration, Victoria
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
Assisted Immigration, Port Phillip (Victoria), Sydney, Newcastle, & Moreton Bay (Brisbane)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/search_1656.asp
Assisted Immigration, Queensland
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
Cheers, Brisgirl
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David McKenna Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 1845 Christening: Death: 05 JUN 1870 Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Harriett Sibraa Family Marriage: 05 JUN 1870 Bathurst, New South Wales, Australia
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bit strange this one,seems to have died on his wedding day
I would like to find out WHEN HE CAME TO AUSTRALIA IF POSSIBLE PLEASE SYLVIA
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Hi Sylvia,
I don't have any migration records for Australia. Try the following:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
(go to "search our online indexes", then "assisted immigrants, 1839-96")
or if he/his family could have migrated to Victoria try:
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
His death certificate would most likely include information about how long he'd been in Australia.
Cheers, Brisgirl :)
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Hi
I'm looking for some family that emigrated to Wollongong, NSW. I have contacted the family history centre in Kiama, NSW and they have found the family in Wollongong up to 1947. Please could you tell me where the best place would be to look for their deaths and marriages of their famiyl. Thanks for any advice you may offer.
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Hi,
Unfortunately, the New South Wales BDM indexes are only available up to 1945 at this stage. Some possible ways of tracking down family members since then would be the Commonwealth electoral roll, funeral director records, cemetery records, etc. I'm sorry that I don't have access to these records.
Another possibility would be to contact the Illawarra Family History Group (PO Box 1652, South Coast Mail Exchange, Wollongong NSW 2500). They have the Wollongong City Council Chronological Burial Index 1967-1990, which they may be able to research for you. The group has a website at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ausifhg/
I hope that helps a bit.
Cheers, Brisgirl :)
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The Western Australia Registry has now provided FREE OF CHARGE the BDM Index from 1841-1905
http://www.justice.wa.gov.au/portal/server.pt/gateway/PTARGS_0_2_323_201_0_43/http%3B/justicecontent.extranet.justice.wa.gov.au/bdm/search.asp?structureID=96554822&resourceID=295610339&type=MARRIAGE
Hooray at last :D
deadants
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Hi Brisgirl,
Can you find Mathew Mars BURROWS birth record please? He was born approx 1865 I think in NSW (maybe Balmain?) but could have been Vic! His father I think was Daniel BURROWS.
Hope this is enough to go on!
Thanks in anticipation,
Julie
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;D
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Hi Julie,
I searched the NSW birth records for Mathew Mars Burrows between the dates 1860 and 1870 and there were no recorded births for a male Burrows child matching that description. I couldn't find any children of a Daniel Burrows either - sorry :-\
I searched Burrow and Burows as well no luck.
You can search the NSW BDM's online for free at:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
they cover births 1788-1905, marriages 1788-1945 and deaths 1788-1945.
Also you might want to try Victorian Records they are also online at:
http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm (click on registry of BDM then Historical index searches)
They are pay per view but are not very expensive (about 99c Australian per page)
They cover births 1853-1924, marriages 1853-1942 and deaths 1853-1985 and church records 1836-1853.
I hope this helps your search for Mathew Mars Burrows ;)
Jenny
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Julie,
Just another quick note. You might already know this but I found a death record for:
Mathew M Burrows d. 1927 in Balmain South, NSW father Daniel Burrows (aged 62 years)
this was on the NSW BMD's website and you can buy the death certificate online - it might give you a birthplace? ;)
Jenny
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Hi jen
How easy is it to search NewZealand Census after 1861 i have just found out some of my ancestors moved to newzealand in 1861 from Scotland i havent as of yet traced any from newzealand .
Looking for a Henry Potter /Ann Boag and family and Alexander Potter/margaret Kerr and Family.
Could you give me a few pointers on how to go about searching dont know wich part of Newzealand yet.
Fifer :-\
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Hi Fifer,
My area of expertise is Australia and I really don't know much about New Zealand genealogy. A suggestion would be to contact the New Zealand Society of Genealogists for advice at:
http://www.genealogy.org.nz/
Or have a look through the "New Zealand Genealogy Made Easy" website:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/barbgreg/
Just by chance when searching this site for Potter, I found a reference in the Otago Witness newspaper of 1919 for the death of Helen Potter, daughter of Alexander and Margaret Potter:
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/barbgreg/otagowitness.html (just scroll down to the surname)
Good luck in your research.
Regards, Rachel (Brisgirl)
(Please note: this isn't Jenny's message thread)
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Hi Rachel
Thankyou for your reply and the link its deffinatly one of the kids as i just heard a cpule of hours ago that they settled there so thanks again.
And sorry for calling you Jan didnt read the posting right sorry again.
Fifer :)
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Fifer
I have sent you a PM re Boag's in New Zealand
Adrian
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I would really appreciate a look up for Caroline Bell, possibly died at Collingwood circa 1880. She would have been around 60yrs old.Thanks
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Hi Melanie,
The most likely entry in the index is:
BELL, Caroline Susan
Father: Adams
Mother: U [ie. unknown]
Age at Death: 61
Death Place: U
Reg Year: 1882
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 1064
The only other possible entry, quite a bit earlier, is:
BELL, Caroline
Father: Joseph
Mother: Smith Ellen
Birthplace: Hoth [ie. Hotham]
Reg Year: 1874
Reg State: Victoria
Ref Number: 11089
No age given for this entry.
I hope this helps.
Cheers, Brisgirl
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You got her!!! The first one...........thanks so much!! Melanlie
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Hi Rachel,
I was wondering if you could help, or point me in the correct direction for, finding out what happened to my Gt gt gt GMother (Isabel Cruickshank, married name Booth) who was transported to Tasmania onboard the Hector in Oct 1835. I have Tasmanian Archives few details of her behaviour until 1839/40, but after that nothing. Is there any details on what convicts did after their sentence (7 years in her case), marriage, death. I don't think she'd have come back, she was around 40 when she was sent over.
Any details you can help with would be great.
Thanks,
Grothenwell
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Hi Grothenwell,
I had a look through my indexes but couldn't find any reference to Isabel. However, I then searched the AUS-Tasmanian Genealogy Mailing List and found a listing for Isabel there. The person who lodged her name may be able to help you further ... and perhaps is also a relative? Go to:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~austashs/convicts/con_c.htm
and scroll down to Isabel's entry. (I'm assuming the contact listed there is not you!)
Convicts were given a Certificate of Freedom once their term had expired (or a pardon if released from a life sentence). They were then free to find their own employment, start a business or trade, etc. There are very few resources detailing what ex-convicts did after their sentences, but the following lists may be helpful to you:
http://www.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/collections/Famhistory/almanacs.htm
http://www.statelibrary.tas.gov.au/collections/Famhistory/convict.htm
You may also like to contact the Tasmanian Family History Society for assistance:
http://www.hobart.tasfhs.org/
They offer a research service for both members and non-members.
I know what it's like to have elusive convict ancestors. My 5-times great-grandmother was the daughter of a First Fleeter. I can find information about her up until 1840, but can't find anything, eg. her death record, after that point.
Good luck with your search!
Cheers, Rachel
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Hi Rachel,
I'm afraid that post on Rootsweb was me! Never mind, I'll try the other avenues you suggested.
Many thanks,
John
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Hi
Do you know anything about emmigration to Queensland from Uk
If so I am looking for Cox's who emmigrated in the 1920 or 30's and settled in Brisbane area. I know its a long shot ...
Christine
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Hi Christine,
As the Cox family you are looking for came here relatively late, I'd suggest perhaps an electoral roll and cemetery record search. Consider contacting the Qld Family History Society for research assistance (they ask for either a donation or just enough to cover costs):
http://www.qfhs.org.au/e-research.htm
They have access to the Commonwealth electoral rolls and have extensive cemetery records for Queensland, as well as the usual BDM indexes and many other types of records.
If you can give me the full names of the Cox's you're looking for, I could do a grave search for Brisbane in the meantime.
I hope this helps a bit.
Cheers, Brisgirl
Hi
Do you know anything about emmigration to Queensland from Uk
If so I am looking for Cox's who emmigrated in the 1920 or 30's and settled in Brisbane area. I know its a long shot ...
Christine
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Hi
Thanks so much for your help. I will look into those contacts. My problem is I know so little about him. But as I was growing up my mum was in quite alot of contact and I know it is abit sentimental but they sent my a doll when I was young that I loved and still have (my daughter looked after it after me!). So I would really like to track them down. His name was George Cox he was born in Leytonstone in 1887 and went to Brisbane in 1920's or 30's I have no idea when he died, but most of his family lived to a good age ie 80's. He may have had Salvation Army contacts my uncle can remember them coming to the house and playing when they left for Australia.
I realise how difficult this is, as it does not seem easy to look up ship that came to Australia and their passenger list, if I could get this I would not mind going through them but I have not found any possible sites.
again thanks
Christine
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Hi Christine,
I believe it's very hard to locate shipping information for immigration to Australia at such a late time period.
I had a look for George Cox on the Brisbane Grave Search website:
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:STANDARD:229592283:pc=PC_899
and these were the resulting entries (name, age, year of burial, cemetery) ...
Cox Douglas George 63 years 1992 Pinnaroo
Cox George Unknown 1888 Toowong
Cox George Unknown 1880 Toowong
Cox George Unknown 1889 South Brisbane
Cox George Alfred 3 months 1927 Toowong
Cox George Bush 78 years 1942 Lutwyche
Cox George Charles 58 years 1984 Hemmant
Cox George David Unknown 1911 Toowong
Cox George Harmsworth 63 years 1941 Toowong
Cox George Herbert Unknown 1892 Toowong
Cox George Thirkle Unknown 1920 Toowong
Cox George Thomas 85 years 1981 Pinnaroo
Cox George Thomas 86 years 1949 Toowong
Cox George Thomas Unknown 1912 Toowong
Cox George W Unknown 1917 South Brisbane
Cox George W Unknown 1945 South Brisbane
Cox Henry George 53 years 1944 Lutwyche
Cox Raymond George 66 years 1986 Pinnaroo
Cox Thomas George 77 years 1996 Pinnaroo
Cox Wesley George 50 years 1966 Mt Gravatt
The only one that looks possible, given the ages, is the one in bold. I would give the Society a go for further research help, if I were you.
Best of luck!
Cheers, Brisgirl
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Thanks so much for your help, can I just ask one other thing is there any way I can trace this George to find out more about him, like a census, or look for children etc. Ijust wondered if you know where I could look myself for that information.
Thanks for your assistance
Christine
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Hi Christine,
Unfortunately, Australia has been very consistent in destroying national census records for privacy reasons. Only recently have we been given the option for our details to be publicly available in 99 years time!
Twentieth century passenger lists are not easy to come by, so that's probably not worth pursuing. The Queensland BDM index is, unfortunately, not available online. It can be bought as sets on CD or microfiche, but is very expensive.
Your only other option would be to have a look through the Brisbane white pages and contact a few Brisbane-based Cox's. The website address is:
http://www.whitepages.com.au/wp/resSearch.jhtml
The most promising option would still be to contact the Family History Society.
Best of luck, Brisgirl
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Hi
Thanks so much for the clear answer. Now I know why I am having such difficulty. If I wanted to buy the CD's where would I get them and roughly how much would they be. I am sorry to ask even more questions!
I will also try the Cox's in white pages
thanks again
Christine James
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Hi Christine,
The webpage for Queensland BDM Registry sales is:
http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/bdm/research.htm
Unfortunately, I've just realised is that the consolidated sets are not for the time period you're interested in (I thought that a third, more recent, CD set had been published but it's not listed on the website), and they only sell the microfiche sets in five-year periods. Not very helpful, I'm afraid. Queensland is VERY slow in making more recent years public, unlike the other eastern States.
Best of luck tracking George down! If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.
Cheers, Brisgirl (Rachel)
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Hi Brisgirl,
I wonder if you could see if you can find a death record for me?
The man I am looking for is my Grandfather, Walter Reynolds.
He married in Cornwall on 9 Dec 1922, had a son (my father) in May 1923 and subsequently emigrated to Australia but died before his family could join him. My Gran remarried in August 1930 so he must have died before then.
Sorry I don't have much to go on. I have no idea where in Aus he was. I have tried to find him on the passenger lists in the UK National Archives at Kew but that is proving difficult so if I can find out when he died it may narrow my dates down a bit.
I would assume he left the UK later than 1923 as my father said he had some memories of him. so I would guess he left late 20's and dies fairly shortly after arriving.
Any possibilities you can unearth much appreciated.
Below a copy of the info I have on record so far:.....
Walter REYNOLDS (1894- )
Name: Walter REYNOLDS
Source: Marriage Cert Robert Charles Reynolds/Violet Betty Tatchell
Sex: Male
Occupation: Tin Miner Below Ground
Source: Marriage Cert Robert Charles Reynolds/Violet Betty Tatchell
Source: Marriage Cert Walter Reynolds Lily maud Tippett
Birth
Date: 4 November 1894
Place: Cornwall, Cambourne
Source: Birth Cert Walter Reynolds
Certainty Assessment: Primary evidence
Death
Date: "abt 1928"
Residence
Date: 1901
Place: Roskear Crofts, Tuckingmill, Cambourne
Residence
Date: 1922
Place: Wheal Jenny Square, Cambourne
Source: Marriage Cert Walter Reynolds Lily maud Tippett
Family as Child: ...of Charles REYNOLDS and Frances BUNT
Marriage
Date: 6 August 1870
Place: Cornwall, Liskeard
Husband: Charles REYNOLDS (1852-1903)
Wife: Frances BUNT (1853- )
Child: Walter REYNOLDS (1894- )
Child: Bertha REYNOLDS (1882- )
Child: Mable REYNOLDS (1884- )
Child: Ernest REYNOLDS (1887- )
Child: Charley REYNOLDS (1892- )
Family as Spouse: ...of Walter REYNOLDS and Lilian Maud KEAST
Marriage
Date: 9 December 1922
Place: Register Office, Redruth, Cornwall
Source: Marriage Cert Walter Reynolds Lily maud Tippett
Husband: Walter REYNOLDS (1894- )
Wife: Lilian Maud KEAST (1898-1957)
Child: Robert Charles REYNOLDS (1923-1990)
Emigrated to Australia after May 1923 and died before family joined him
Regards
Clive
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Hi Clive,
I only have access to NSW and Victorian deaths for this late time period. Here are the results of that search:
NSW
Registration No: 13932/1943
Name: REYNOLDS, WALTER
Father's Given Names: CHARLES
Mother's Given Names: FRANCES SETON
Place: WEST MAITLAND
This won't be him, given the date.
If you'd like to see all the results found for the name "Walter Reynolds", go to:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/GenAccess?form=IndexingSearch&SessionID=3058636&sname=Reynolds&gname=Walter&fname=&mname=&event=deaths&frange=1922&trange=1945&place=&x=0&y=0
VICTORIA
There were no results at all for a search between 1922-1985 (end of available index)
If you'd like a search done in Queensland, I'd suggest contacting the Queensland Family History Society at:
http://www.qfhs.org.au/e-research.htm
They are very competent researchers and only ask for a donation. They have access to BDM indexes and have an extensive cemetery record collection.
Regards, Brisgirl
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Hello Clive
I've just checked the NSW BMD site for you http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
and found these Walter Reynolds,sadly none of them are yours.
Registration Number Last Name Given Name(s) Father's Given Name(s) Mother's Given Name(s) District
9400/1924 REYNOLDS WALTER L ARTHUR P AGNES A MANLY
12466/1924 REYNOLDS WALTER GEORGE FLORENCE GOULBURN
8309/1931 REYNOLDS WALTER S WALTER MARY A NEWCASTLE
9500/1935 REYNOLDS WALTER E JOHN MARY J FORBES
11077/1939 REYNOLDS WALTER CHARLES MARTIN JOSEPH ALICE LYDIA NEWTOWN
13174/1940 REYNOLDS WALTER JAMES CATHERINE SYDNEY
So that's another area to rule out then :)
Regards
Carol
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Good morning Rachel,
Many thanks for your open offer of assistance.
I am looking for the immigration/entry into Australia of my Great Grandfather -
George Gilbert EDMONDS b c1828 Wexford, IRE
He was the son of Richard Henry EDMONDS and Catherine FURLONG.
George Gilbert EDMONDS was married in Sydney on 16 April 1857 to Eliza COTTRELL, so he probably came to Australia in the earlier 1850s.
He died in Brisbane on 17 December 1906 and is buried at South Brisbane Cemetery.
With thanks in anticipation,
Bruce EDMONDS
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Hi Bruce,
I searched the assisted immigrant indexes for Port Phillip (Victoria), Sydney & Moreton Bay (Brisbane). This was the result ...
ASSISTED IMMIGRANTS ARRIVING IN PORT PHILLIP, 1839-1851:
Only a George EDMUND with wife Isabella & family, 1848
ASSISTED IMMIGRANTS ARRIVING IN SYDNEY & NEWCASTLE, 1844-1859:
Name: EDMONDS George
Age: 20
Ship: Herefordshire
Year: 1853
Reel: 2137
This was the only "G... Edmonds" in this index. I believe this could very well be your great-grandfather, even though he's five years younger than the birthdate you've given.
ASSISTED IMMIGRANTS ARRIVING AT MORETON BAY, BRISBANE, 1848-1859
Only an infant George EDMONDS & family, 1856
You can search these indexes yourself at:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/immigration_and_shipping_indexes_4645.asp
I hope this helps.
Kind regards, Rachel (Brisgirl)
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Good morning Rachel,
Thanks very much. The NSW Indexes are very good.
I had checked on the EDMONDS from the Herefordshire previously, but, he does not appear to be my G Grandfather.
Sincerelty
Bruce
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Hi Brisgirl, Carol,
Many thanks for looking this up for me. I'm slowly eliminating things so I'll find him eventualy.
Really appreciate your help.
Regards
Clive
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Hi Brisgirl,
Can I take you up on your generous offer and ask
you to look for a birth record in Tasmanian please?
Dennis Dwyer claims to have been born in Tasmania
about 1840 but I have no idea of the names of his
parents. He may have had a brother John or even
a father name John as that name appeared as the
name of a witness on his marriage certificate in NSW in
1861.
He named his first son James which might be a clue
to the name of his father.
I have my suspicions that there may be a convict lurking
in the background somewhere but it's so hard to tell with
so little to go on.
Do you think it will be possible to find a birth record for him?
In this particular family line there are two other Tasmanian
births which need checking out it you have the time.
One is James Samuel Brindley born about 1830 and the other is
his wife Rebecca Gulley born about 1834 and I have not got a clue
about her at all!
Any help would be wonderful.
Shadrach
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Hi Shadrach,
I've just done a search of the Tasmanian index, initially for James Brindley and Rebecca Gulley. Here are the results ....
Name: Samuel James Brindley
Father: James
Mother: Mary
Date of Birth: 16 October 1829
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 3049 / 1829
Name: Esther Rebecca Gulley
Father: William
Mother: Elizabeth
Date of Birth: 24 April 1832
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 4249 / 1832
Note that they both used their middle names! There were also christening entries for the same day for both of them.
Cheers, Rachel [Brisgirl]
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Hi again Shadrach,
Well, no matches for Dennis, I'm afraid. However, there was a John born in 1847 who may be related ...
Name: John Dwyer
Father: John
Mother: Margaret Conway
Birthdate: 5 February 1847
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 962 / 1847
For your records, here's a full list of all the Dwyers on the index. I've split the list into two messages so it doesn't exceed the message limits. If you'd like me to check the details of any of these, just ask ....
DWYER, Ada B 1869 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, Albert Woodsden B 1874 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Alexander John B 1883 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Amelia Anne B 1862 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Ann B 1879 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Anne B 1872 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Arthur Ernest B 1871 TAS Fa: William Singltn DWYER
DWYER, Bridget B 1860 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Catharine B 1866 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Catherine B 1857 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Charles B 1860 TAS Fa: Jeremiah DWYER
DWYER, Charles Aaron B 1891 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Charles John B 1899 TAS Fa: James DWYER
DWYER, Charles Owen B 1880 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Christina Beniga B 1898 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Clara Jane B 1874 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Denis Paul B 1898 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Edith B 1892 TAS Fa: George DWYER
DWYER, Edward B 1853 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Edward Sydney B 1855 TAS Fa: Edward Sydney DWYER
DWYER, Eliza B 1876 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Eliza Maria Fanny B 1863 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Eliza Maria Fanny C 1863 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Elizabeth B 1859 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Elizabeth Muriel B 1894 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Ella Maggie B 1887 TAS Fa: George Lovell DWYER
DWYER, Ellen B 1857 TAS Fa: Michael DWYER
DWYER, Ellen B 1863 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Ellen B 1888 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Ellen Elizabeth B 1870 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Ethel Florence B 1877 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, Eva B 1881 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, F B 1858 TAS Fa: Robert DWYER
DWYER, F B 1862 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, F B 1863 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, F B 1865 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, F B 1866 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, F B 1870 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, F B 1873 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, F B 1874 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, F B 1874 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Florence Mary Margt B 1897 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Frederick B 1850 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Geneive B 1886 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, George B 1864 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, George B 1884 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, George Martin B 1884 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, George Sorell B 1858 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, George Sorell C 1858 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, Hannah B 1872 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Hanorah B 1870 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Helen B 1888 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Hellen B 1862 TAS Fa: Jerremiah DWYER
DWYER, Henry B 1853 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Henry B 1882 TAS Fa: Edward Lovell DWYER
DWYER, Henry James B 1897 TAS Fa: James DWYER
DWYER, Herbert Leslie B 1898 TAS Fa: Thomas Robert DWYER
DWYER, Hillman Stanley B 1899 TAS Fa: James Edward DWYER
DWYER, Honora B 1856 TAS Fa: Jeremiah DWYER
DWYER, Honora B 1857 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, James B 1870 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Jeremiah B 1885 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Jessie Maud B 1898 TAS Fa: Michael DWYER
DWYER, Johanna B 1851 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Johanna Maria B 1871 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, John B 1847 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, John B 1847 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, John B 1852 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, John B 1855 TAS Fa: Michael DWYER
DWYER, John B 1866 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, John B 1882 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, John B 1885 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, John B 1898 TAS Fa: Philip DWYER
DWYER, John Claude B 1898 TAS Fa: John Edward DWYER
DWYER, John Francis B 1873 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, John James B 1890 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, John Mervyn B 1898 TAS Fa: Timothy DWYER
DWYER, John Thomas B 1896 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Julia B 1865 TAS Fa: John DWYER
Cheers, Rachel [Brisgirl]
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And here's the rest of the list ....
DWYER, Lionel Edgar B 1874 TAS Fa: Edward DWYER
DWYER, Lucy Ellenor B 1878 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, M B 1844 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, M B 1858 TAS Fa: Jeremiah DWYER
DWYER, M B 1859 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, M B 1862 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, M B 1864 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, M B 1867 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, M B 1869 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, M B 1871 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, M B 1873 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Margaret B 1845 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Margaret B 1857 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Margaret B 1870 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Margaret B 1888 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Margaret B 1897 TAS Fa: Timothy DWYER
DWYER, Maria B 1872 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Martha Bridget B 1877 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Mary B 1869 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Mary Ann B 1884 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Mary Ann Catherine B 1876 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Mary Ann Ellen B 1861 TAS Fa: Michael DWYER
DWYER, Mary Ellen B 1894 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Mary Jane B 1864 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, May B 1886 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Michael Stephen B 1881 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Olive B 1893 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Pansey May B 1886 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Patrick B 1857 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Patrick B 1880 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Pius John Edward Wm B 1897 TAS Fa: John Edward DWYER
DWYER, Rose Periseela B 1896 TAS Fa: John Edward DWYER
DWYER, Rosetta Phillippa B 1860 TAS Fa: Edward Lovell DWYER
DWYER, Samuel B 1874 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Samuel Singleton B 1862 TAS Fa: William Singlet DWYER
DWYER, Samuel Singleton C 1862 TAS Fa: William Singlet DWYER
DWYER, Sidney Herbert B 1871 TAS Fa: Edward Lovell DWYER
DWYER, Stephen B 1862 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Susan Emilda B 1897 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Sydney B 1896 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Thomas B 1874 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, Thomas B 1899 TAS Fa: John DWYER
DWYER, Thomas Robert B 1870 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, Thomas Vincent B 1896 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, Thomas William B 1865 TAS Fa: William Singltn DWYER
DWYER, Vera Gladys B 1889 TAS Fa: George Lovell DWYER
DWYER, Vera Grace B 1895 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, Walter B 1878 TAS Fa: Walter DWYER
DWYER, William B 1851 TAS Fa: U DWYER
DWYER, William B 1868 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, William Fredck Arth B 1882 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, William John B 1869 TAS Fa: William DWYER
DWYER, William John B 1895 TAS Fa: Charles DWYER
DWYER, William Patrick B 1884 TAS Fa: Patrick DWYER
DWYER, William Thomas B 1868 TAS Fa: John DWYER
I'll have a look at some convict records as well, to check for Dwyer.
Cheers, Rachel :)
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Hi Shadrach,
I found the marriage entry for James Brindley and Rebecca Gulley, in case you didn't have that already ...
Names: James Brindley / Rebekah Gully
Marriage Date: 29 July 1867
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 227 / 1867
It looks as though James was christened Samuel James but was known as James Samuel. Here are some more records for the Brindleys ...
Name: Easter [Esther??] Rebecca Brindley
Death Date: 10 November 1899
Age at Death: 68
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 1245 / 1899
Name: James Samuel Brindley
Death Date: 23 December 1897
Age at Death: 69
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 69 / 1897
James Samuel's [or Samuel James'] siblings ...
Isaac Brinley [note the typo]
Parents: James / Mary
Birthdate: 13 November 1827
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 2355 / 1827
Charlotte Brindley
Parents: James / Mary
Birthdate: 22 September 1833
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 1992 / 1833
James Samuel & [Esther] Rebecca's children ...
Charlotte Mary Ann Brindley
Parents: James / Rebecca Gully
Birthdate: 15 March 1861
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 4134 / 1861
F. Brindley [female]
Parents: James / Esther Rebecca Gay [ie Gulley]
Birthdate: 6 July 1865
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 7883 / 1865
Alice May Brindley
Parents: James / Rebecca Gulley
Birthdate: 24 November 1871
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 2257 / 1871
There was another James Samuel Brindley listed, quite possibly their son, who married a Mary Theresa O'Connor on 11 June 1889 (reference: 281 / 1889) and died on 17 September 1895, aged 33 (reference: 312 / 1895). There is no entry for his birth.
I also found the marriage entry for [Esther] Rebecca's parents, William Gulley and Elizabeth Maguiness [probably in reality MacGuiness]...
Names: William Gulley / Elizabeth Maguiness
Marriage Date: 22 September 1823
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 648 / 1823
[Esther] Rebecca seems to have three siblings ...
Ann Lovice Gulley
Parents: William / Elizabeth
Birthdate: 27 September 1824
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 1668 / 1824
Thomas Gulley
Parents: William / Elizabeth
Birthdate: 31 May 1826
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 2946 / 1829 [not registered until 1829]
Charlotte Maginnis Gulley
Parents: William / Elizabeth
Birthdate: 5 February 1829
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 2947 / 1829
I also checked a few convict websites for the surname Dwyer. To see the Dwyers listed at "Claim-A-Convict", go to this webpage:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/convicts/page29.html
There are a few Dwyers listed on this Rootsweb page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~austas/convictsD.htm
Some Dwyers pop up on the Tasmanian government's site, "Convict Applications for Permission to Marry":
http://resources.archives.tas.gov.au/archmarriage/default.asp
Here are some convict links that you may like to look at:
http://www.genealogylinks.net/australia/tasmania/tas-con.htm
I hope some of this is useful to you. If I can look up anything else, just ask.
Cheers, Rachel :)
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Hi Shadrach,
I've just found two other entries that may relate to your Gulley family:
Rebecca Gulley
Marriage date: 9 April 1850
Age: adult
Married to: George Sly
Place: Tasmania
Reference: 205 / 1850
- perhaps Rebecca married twice??
Charlotte Gulley
Date of Death: 11 July 1835
Age: 8 [should be six if William & Elizabeth's daughter]
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 3938 / 1835
Cheers, Rachel
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Dear Rachel, - Do you ever sleep???
As yet I have only scanned your answers but
I can see they are going to keep me fascinated and
busy for days! There are so many new leads to follow
and I am sure to take you up on your offer to look
for other things. Do you by any chance have
access to immigrant arrivals for Tassie?
Dennis Dwyer's story is complicted by the fact
that he married in country NSW, no parents names are
given on the certificate. His wife Ellen died in Sydney
in 1900 and Dennis was still alive in that year.
The NSW Death index lists several Denis Dwyers and two
Dennis Dwyers between 1900 to 1945 but two wrong transcripts
later I still don't have a clue to his parents names which
would be a great help.
This is all wonderful material, many thanks Rachel
Helen
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Hi Helen,
You're very welcome! And while Rootschat states my messages were logged in at around midnight, never fear, I didn't stay up all night doing genealogy! I sat down to my computer this morning on a lovely sunny day here in Brisbane, Australia! :)
Tasmanian passenger lists are not that easy to come by, they're mostly still on microfiche. There may be some useful links for you to check out here:
http://www.genealogylinks.net/australia/tasmania/tas-ships.htm
Re Rebecca Gulley's mother, Elizabeth Maguiness. Having had a look on the Internet in Australia, I think the surname is most likely to have been "McGinnis". Both the McGinnis and Gulley families were listed as being on the Australian "First Families project" website, but unfortunately the site has been closed for privacy reasons.
I just had a browse through the NSW government's "Certificates of Freedom, 1823-1869 [http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/asp/searchform.asp?id=19] and found the following two entries:
Surname: DWYER
First Name: Denis
Vessel: Surry
Year: 1816
CF No: [ie. certificate of freedom] 30/0051
Date: 29 Jan 1830
S R Ref: 4/4300
Film: 985
Remarks: TL [ticket of leave] 631/851; renewed CF [certificate of freedom] 41/947
Surname: DWYER
First Name: Denis
Vessel: Surry
Year: 1816
CF No: 41/0947
Date: 10 Jul 1841
SR Ref: 4/4367
Film: 1009
Remarks: TL 31/851 [really 631/851]; in lieu of CF 30/51
Both entries are for the same person. I wonder if he's a relation?
The McGinniss and Dwyer surnames feature in the NSW Colonial Secretary Index, 1788-1825:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/d/F17c_dr-dy-14.htm#P6271_204417
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/m/F35c_maa-macg-18.htm#P7999_269433
Regards, Rachel
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I've slowly been working my way through the treasures
(it's great fun and will take me ages!).
Your discoveries are great and I'm fascinated by many
of the details, particularly the Gulley and McGinnis familes
being listed on the "First Families" project. Do you
happen to know how a proven descendant can have access
to the information?
We have a wonderful photo taken about 1890 of Alice May
standing on the verandah of her house with her family in
Zeehan Tasmania so it's great to be able to learn
more of her history.
It's quite likely the Denis Dwyer you found was the father of
my Denis who went on to marry the daughter of an Irish convict
in NSW. I just need so clue to his father or mother, it HAS to be
somewhere, hopefully on his death certificate if found. If
he can be linked back to Denis the Surrey convict we will be
cooking with gas!
Will be back in touch soon,
Helen
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Couldn't wait to tell you!
Typed "first families gulley" into
Google and bingo - up came the
McGinnis & Gulley First Family!!!
It's extra exciting because the first
McGinnis, Hugh, married Charlotte
Simpson/Hall who came on the
Lady Julianna, the infamous ship
known as the "Floating Brothel".
The author Sian Rees wrote a book of
that name and, would you believe it,
Charlotte Simpson alias Hall, has a mention
on at least 4 pages of the book!
Whacko!! You really have open a can
of worms Rachel.
Helen
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Hi Rachel and Helen,
I have greatly enjoyed watching the unfolding of this search which,as so often happens in Aust. records, ends up with convicts stepping out of the cupboard!! A source of great pride for most down here.
I have had the same experience.
Rachel, I note your comment about the recorded ages of the passengers on the assisted and unassisted immigrants lists.
I have noticed that they are regularly off the mark by as much as 8 or more years. Why do you think this is? Sue
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Hi Helen,
That's really great news! It looks like the jigsaw puzzle is coming together and I'm glad I could help you out.
I know how excited you are to discover the connection with the "Lady Juliana" as I also have a Second Fleet convict, Richard Cornelius Burrows, who came out on the "Scarborough". He married a First Fleeter, Elizabeth Cole. I've got a copy of "The Floating Brothel" and have looked up the references to Charlotte ... the book is a great read.
I had a general look on the Internet for the "Lady Juliana" and on this website:
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi/LADY%20JULIANA%20CONVICTS.htm
it states that Charlotte was 21 at trial, married H. McGinnes in Hobart Town in 1810 and died in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) in 1828.
Keep me posted of any further developments, and I'm happy to assist further wherever I can.
Cheers, Rachel
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Hi Sue,
There's probably more than one reason for the discrepancy of ages on passenger lists. In my case, I have a family of ancestors - two adults and seven children - who were all listed as much younger than their true ages on an assisted passenger list. I think the main reasons were emigrants wanting to appear to be of working age, and the age-related costs involved in getting passage to Australia.
Some migrants may have had reasons to change their age, and even their name. Some perhaps didn't even know how old they were. It could be just clerical error or transcription error (eg. if you're looking at copies of lists online). And remember that no-one had to produce birth certificates as proof of ID in those days!
Visit this website for details of the "Qualifications of Emigrants", put together in the 1850s (scroll down the page):
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm
Cheers, Rachel
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Yes Rachel,
For some it would be a lovely oportunity to knock a few years off as part of the Fresh Start in a New Land dream. Sue
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Hello Rachel & Sue too.
I absolutly agree, "The Floating Brothel" is a great
read in many way, not the least being the
description of the state of Sydney when
the ship arrived there.
This morning saw me on the interent first thing
and three more interesting piece of the story came to
light. The IGI suprisingly has a marriage for
Hugh McGinnis and Charlotte Hall Simpson
"About 1797 Norfolk Island NSW" so I wonder
which is correct - Norfolk or Hobart Town.
Where were marriages on Norfolk recorded do
you know?
The other equally fascinating chapter is the
record of Charlotte's sentence found on the
"Proceedings of the Old Bailey" website which
gives her trial date of 24th October 1787, and the
original text "Charlotte Simpson, otherwise Hall, was
indicted for stealing, on the 19th July last, a pair of
silk stockings, value 1 s, a cotton gown, value 2 s,
a handerkerchiefs, value 1 s, and one paste pin, value
1 s the property of Joseph Bradley.
The prisioner was stopped pawning the things
Guilty. Transported for seven years."
The third is a brief mention on the Irish Convicts website
of "Hugh McGuinness Alias: Megennis Irish Rebel
Tried 1789 Dublin Sentence 7 years
Ship" Queen 1791"
The Queen carried only Irish convicts and went straight to
Norfolk Island.
Can't thank you enough Rachel and I can't wait to tell
our family of these two marvellous ancestors!
Helen
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Hi Helen,
Excellent! Isn't it great that there's now so much genie material available online.
My Elizabeth and Richard also ended up on Norfolk Island in 1790 and 1791 and were sent down to Van Diemen's Land in 1808 when the first settlement on Norfolk was abandoned. So that's how your Hugh and Charlotte ended up in Tasmania!
Elizabeth and Richard co-habited on Norfolk for fourteen years and married in Hobart in 1810. The local newspaper, the Derwent Star, actually commented on this marriage, saying that it verified "the old adage 'better late than never'"!
As for the record of Hugh and Charlotte's marriage, I would have expected it to come up on the NSW BDM index (Norfolk Island was part of the colony and records for the island go back to 1790):
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=marriages
The fact that it doesn't seem to be there suggests that, like Elizabeth and Richard, they co-habitated on Norfolk and married in Tasmania.
If an individual has submitted marriage information with the IGI, you can take that with a grain of salt. I only trust the extracted records on the IGI for reasonable accuracy. A submitter may have assumed the marriage date based on any children the couple had around that time.
Two records pop up on the NSW BDM index for Charlotte Simpson (one with Hugh) for children (the same child?) born 1804 and 1805 (I did a 1790-1810 search):
V18041540 1A/1804, SIMPSON WILLIAM D, -- , CHARLOTTE
V1805117 4A/1805, SIMPSON WILLIAM, HUGH, CHARLOTTE
On the Tasmanian Birth index there's the following:
Elizabeth McGinnis
Parents: Hugh / Charlotte Simpson
Date: 1808
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 44
No doubt this is your Elizabeth who married William Gulley. It's not that surprising that she was only 14-15 at the time of her marriage, many girls were married off young. There was a serious lack of women in Tasmania at the time. My own ancestor, Ann Burrows, was married off at just 12 years of age to a 40-year-old ex-convict in 1812!
A quote from a contemporary about the youthfulness of Tasmania's married women:
"They [ie. the Norfolk Islanders] brought with them many young lads and maidens, these last so eagerly sought in a community where there were eight men to every woman. The Norfolk ladies were soon in marriage, as were the girls who came out from England in the first two ships. The Norfolk girls seemed mature at fourteen and many of them were married at that age or younger. They were used to an open-air life and were fed in a land of prodigal richness."
Poor girls!
The information about Charlotte on the Lady Juliana website seems correct as the compiler has used excellent sources (see the bottom of the webpage).
Cheers, Rachel
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Hi Helen,
I just found Hugh and Charlotte's marriage on the Tasmanian BDM index:
Groom: Hugh Maginnis
Bride: Charlotte Hall
Date of Marriage: 16 July 1810
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 56
And Charlotte's death:
Name: Charlotte McGinnis
Date of Death: 31 December 1828
Age at Death: 61
Spouse: Hugh
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 1869
And quite possibly Hugh's as well:
Name: Hugh McGuinness
Date of Death: ?? Jan 1841
Age at Death: 71
Place: Tasmania
Reference No: 744
Cheers, Rachel
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Hi Helen,
I just thought of looking up any possible children for Charlotte Hall and another child (again with two entries) has appeared in the NSW BDM index ...
V18021059 1A/1802, HALL JOHN, -- , CHARLOTTE
V180231 4A/1802, HALL JOHN, HUGH, CHARLOTTE
I assume both John and brother William were born on Norfolk, with sister Elizabeth born later in Tasmania.
Regards, Rachel
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The story just gets more and more fascinating.
It's great to hear that you had ancestors on
Norfolk at the same time - they would have
known each other and what would they have
thought if they knew we would be chatting on
a magic thing called the Internet?
According to Sian Rees Charlotte took up with
John Thomas Doidge after he came aboard ship
in Cape Town and, if I am reading it correctly,
they had a child on arrival in Sydney. John
Doidge went to Norfolk as a Superindentent and
he and Charlotte were together for several years.
Is it possible that the father of some of her
children was John Doidge?
Perhaps John went back to England or died and
Charlotte took up with Hugh McGinnis.
Incidentally, my grandson is name Hugh!
Helen
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PS
I MUST do something about my profile!!
Helen
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Hi Helen,
What a lovely photo of Alice! Is she posing with her husband? If you need any help in dating old photos, I can recommend these English and Australian sites:
www.rogerco.freeserve.co.uk
www.acay.com.au/~gsm/DatingPhotos.html
I feel that Hugh is probably the father of all three of the children I've found - William, John and Elizabeth - but as they weren't married when they were born, the records indicate no father. The fact that Hugh is listed in each of the second entries perhaps suggests these were the children's christenings? I'm not sure. Charlotte was probably with Doidge until 1802 at the latest - he could be John's father, but not William or Elizabeth.
I can't find any entries for Doidge, Hall or Simpson in the 1790s in the NSW [& Norfolk Island] index.
My First Fleeter Elizabeth had an interesting time ... she got together with a marine, William Ellis, on the way to Australia and gave birth to a son in Sydney. Then she was with James Tucker and had two kids with him ... he became the hangman on Norfolk Island!!! Then she moved on to Richard Burrows and had three more children. Both her husband Richard and son-in-law Sylvester Lush (that 40-year-old husband of Ann I mentioned) were initially sentenced to death in England for stealing sheep. I wouldn't be here today if those sentences hadn't been commuted to transportation!
I'll let you know if I find anything else of interest.
Rachel
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Your Elizabeth certainly had a busy time of
it but in those days women had little choice
other than to join forces with a male partner
if they wanted to survive. It's a fascinating
story and one which deserves a book all
to itself. Bit of a worry though, moving in
with a hangman!
Yes Alice is with her husband Albert Hall whose
arrrival in Tasmania I've been searching for.
Thanks for the photo dating websites, they look
really good. Thanks for all your help and I will certainly
let you know when more discoveries are made.
Helen
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Hi Helen,
I did a bit of general Internet surfing this morning and came across this webpage:
http://www.ad2000.com.au/articles/2004/nov2004p17_1800.html
Here's a quote ...
"Fr Hardiman weaves a vast human tapestry commencing with the arrival of Charlotte Simpson on the all-female convict ship, Lady Juliana, with the Second Fleet arriving in Port Jackson in 1790 and her incarceration on Norfolk Island. Here she enters into a relationship with Hugh Maginnis, who arrived in 1791 on the Queen, the first ship with an all-Irish contingent of convicts. Charlotte Simpson has five children to Maginnis, which is the beginning of eight generations of an Australian (mainly Catholic) dynasty, numbering in the thousands ... "
Rachel
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WOW!
YOU ARE A GENIUS RACHEL!!!!!!
Guess what? As soon as I finsih writing
this I'm off to ask our local inter-library
loan librarian to find this book!
What would I do without you.
Helen
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Hi Rachel,
Had a brain wave with Denis Dwyer!
His wife, Ellen Dwyer, died in 1900
and is buried at Rookwood. A phone
call revealed that Denis was also
buried with her in 1921 and the NSW
BDM index had the names of his parents,
James & Hannah!
Armed with this great clue the Colonial
Tasmanian Family Links was the next stop
and Bingo!
James Dwyer married Hannah Lyons in Hobart
in 1839.
AND an un-named male child, born 1842, is
linked to them
This has to be Denis so I felt I was really on a roll
and was sure I would find them on one of the
convict indexes but no such luck, and I now need to
ask help from your superior skills again if you have
the time Rachel.
There was one James Dwyer on the CTFL, birth date
1818 Ireland, death date 1878 Tasmania
but no other links attached to him so it's hard to tell
if it is him. It's also possible that James or Hannah
were not convicts but the children of convicts or even,
heaven forbid, redcoats!
At least I can now send for Denis Dwyer's death
trancscipt and it may hold another clue.
Helen
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Hi Helen,
Nothing much for Jack and Hannah so far ... I haven't found birth records for either of them. The earliest Lyons births in Tasmania appears to be Sophia and William, children of Richard Lyons and Mary Davis, both born in 1811. After that there are no more recorded Lyons births until 1836.
Three children were born to a James Dwyer in NSW (but the mother's surname was not given, so maybe it's another couple):
Name: Edward Dwyer
Date: 1853
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Kiama, Roman Catholic
Ref. No: V18532528 70
Name: Joseph Dwyer
Date: 1857
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Shoalhaven
Ref. No: 11157
Name: Hannah Dwyer
Date: 1859
Parents: James / Hannah
State: NSW
Parish: Shoalhaven
Ref. No: 12542
There are deaths recorded for Edward and Hannah in NSW, in 1925 and 1940 respectively, as well as for William and James, all with parents listed as James and Hannah.
There were two possible James Dwyer's on the Certificate of Freedom list, just in case it's a possibility he was a convict:
Name, Ship, Date, CF No, Date, SRRef, Film
DWYER James, Marquis of Huntley, 1828, 34/0403, 14 Apr 1834, 4/4321, 992
DWYER James, [Alias] DWYRE, Anne & Amelia, 1825, 31/0473, 10 May 1831, 4/4305, 987
Individuals with the surname Lyons feature on the Colonial Secretary's papers:
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/colsec/l/F34c_lo-ly-15.htm#P6503_228099
If you want to save a little money on the cost of purchasing the certificate for Denis' death, consider contacting Marilyn Rowan for a transcription at:
http://www.marbract.com.au/
She's very accurate and timely. I've used her services a few times with excellent results.
I'll keep on searching!
Regards, Rachel
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As usual it's great to discuss things with you as
it triggers new ideas in my senior brain.
Yesterday while browsing I too found the
convict records for the two James Dwyers
and after further searching it seems the one
who arrived on the Marquis of Huntley stayed
in NSW continuously.
The "Anne & Amelia" James Dwyer sounds promising
but have yet to discover if this ship carried on to
Tasmania. All evidence points to James marrying
Hannah in Tasmania plus Denis being born there but
we also know that by 1861 Denis married Ellen
O'Connor (the daughter of an Irish convict) in the Nowra/
Shoalhaven district.
The interesting thing is your find of several children
being born to a James & Hannah Dwyer in the Shoalhaven
around the time we know Denis Dwyer to be there.
This certainly points to them being this same couple
being Denis's parents wouldn't you say?
I think another clue can be found in the way
Denis and Ellen named their children, calling one
of them Hannah and one James.
The one outstanding mystery is the John Dwyer
whose name appears on the marriage certificate
of Denis and Ellen O'Connor. Wonder who he
was?
Denis & Ellen moved to Sydney at some stage so
tracking a death for James or Hannah Dwyer
will be difficult if he also moved from the
Shoalhaven distirct.
Thanks for the recommendantion of Marbract
I've ordered the transcript to-day.
Ellen O'Connor's story is equally interesting.
She was born in Ireland and her father John was
transported for sheep stealing in 1837 leaving behind
a wife & a family of five children, Ellen among them.
Along with their mother Mary these children later
joined their father in 1850 and were reunited in
the Shoalhaven area. Great story!
Helen
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Hi Brisgirl, thanks for your offer. I am looking for confirmation of the marriage of John Boyes to Sabina Meredith about 1830 in Tasmania.
Sabina was the daughter of George Meredith, one of the first settlers in Tasmania.
Hope you can help
Best wishes
Sussexgirl
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Hi Brisgirl,
do you have anything on ancestors/descendants of GEORGE HOWARD HEWSON b 1874 Gulong Australia. (sorry, not sure where this place is)?. Someone told me a lady (descendant? ) called Diedre had posted a message somewhere (sorry again, to be so vague). I am keen to contact this lady or anyone else who can shed light on GHH.
3 generations of my UK Hewsons share HOWARD as a middle name, ggf b 1843, gf b 1877, uncle b 1897 all called Frederick Howard Hewson.
Possible my Hewsons came from Ireland originally.
Many thanks DF
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Hi again, Brisgirl,
just studied your surname interests properly. In my youth (a long time ago!) I lived close to the TOLSON memorial museum in Ravensknowle Park, Huddersfield Yorkshire. Its still thereor at least it was in May this year.
I understood that this was set up by the family in memory of two young Tolson army officers, brothers, killed in WW1. There is a detailed tribute to them in the main entrance.
DF
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Hi Sussexgirl,
I've found the marriage record for John Boyes and Sabina Meredith:
Names: John Boyes / Sabina Meredith
Date of Marriage: 9 March 1833
State: Tasmania
Reference No: 2096
Kind regards, Brisgirl
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Hi Dick,
Firstly, Gulong is a typo for Gulgong, which is a country town in New South Wales. A useful online directory for Australian towns can be found at:
http://www.whereis.com/whereis/home.jsp
On the New South Wales BDM index there is only one entry for a George Hewson (middle name not given):
Name: George Hewson
Date of Birth: 1875
Father: John
Mother: Margaret
Place: Gulgong
State: New South Wales
Reference No: 14993/1875
A further search resulted in six children for this couple. You can see all their entries here:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/GenAccess?form=IndexingSearch&cgiurl=%2Fcgi-bin%2FIndex%2FIndexingBirth.cgi&sname=Hewson&gname=&fname=John&mname=Margaret&event=births&frange=1850&trange=1900&place=&SessionID=3094166&x=48&y=6
Looking further back, there's a marriage record for John and Margaret:
Names: John Hewson / Margaret Kelley
Date of Marriage: 1866
Place: Rylstone
State: New South Wales
Reference No: 3066/1866
And looking forward, there's a marriage for George H. Hewson:
Names: George H. Hewson / Lily M. Beasley
Date of Marriage: 1900
Place: Warren
State: New South Wales
Reference No: 4910/1900
And four children to this couple listed here:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/GenAccess?form=IndexingSearch&SessionID=3094239&sname=Hewson&gname=&fname=George&mname=Lily&event=births&frange=1890&trange=1905&place=&x=47&y=8
Hewson is my maiden surname. My g-g-grandfather Thomas Hewson came to Australia from Dublin in the early 1850s. I'm unsure how long the family lived in Ireland.
As I mentioned to Helen in this message board, a cheaper way of obtaining NSW BDM records is to contact Marilyn Rowan's transcription service at:
http://www.marbract.com.au
I know a little about the Tolson Museum as I have corresponded with two distant cousins who are directly descended from Whitely Tolson - he was the father of Robert Huntriss Tolson and James Martin Tolson in whose memory Whitely's brother Legh donated his house to be converted into the Museum. See these sites:
http://www.leedspals.co.uk/tolson.htm
http://www.huddersfield1.co.uk/huddersfield/tolson/ravensknowle_history/
Regards, Brisgirl
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Hi Brisgirl,
very many thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. No obvious connections to my lot but i shall investigate.
Would John and Margarets Aussie marriage cert state parents, as UK ones would/should?
Tentatively, my Hewsons were linked to a prolific Hewson dynasty from Kerry, but they had connections all over the place including Dublin. My ggf (Frederick Howard Hewson, b 1843 reportedly in Devonport/Plymouth) is being difficult- cannot find his birth or parents. Rumours of his mother being French -and an awful cook!
I may be in Huddersfield around Xmas. Let me know if you want info or pics re Tolson MM.
DF
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Me again Brisgirl.
I read the Tolson MM links you gave. A short tale which might interest you. Back in the early 1960s there was a mysterious green wooden hut next to the immaculate top bowling green in Ravensknowle Park. To us small boys, the little old men, many with eyes or limbs missing, who seemed to be in 'residence' were terrifying.
They were WW1 veterans, which is fitting.
Eventually, they let us use THEIR bowling green instead of the public one. It was like being given a medal.
The green hut is still there with another generation of little old men using it. DF
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Hi again
Many thanks for the Boyes/Meredith marriage info. Can you please tell me how I would go about getting a copy and also what sort of information would be on it?
Thanks
Sussexgirl
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Hi Sussexgirl,
You can obtain a certificate of the marriage from the Tasmanian registry:
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/marriages/how_to_apply_for_a_certificate
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/47886/APPLICATION_FOR_SEARCH_MARRIAGEa.pdf
Access is open for marriages more than 75 years ago:
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm/family_history
The only downside is the cost. Tasmanian certificates cost AUS$32.76, significantly more expensive than other Australian states ... no idea why!
The certificate should have all personal details, including parents, where born, how long in Australia, etc. If you want confirmation, contact the Registry before applying.
Regards, Brisgirl
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Hi Dick,
Yes, the certificate or transcript will contain details of the couple's parents.
That's a great story about the green hut! Thanks for the offer re the Tolson Museum, a photo of the house would be nice. Generally though I'm more interested in the family itself. I hope you have a very enjoyable visit. Contact me through this message board when you return.
Regards, Brisgirl
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Hi Rachel,
Father Haridman's book proved to be a gem
with a wealth of information about Hugh McGinnis &
Charlotte Simpson. Thank you once again for finding
it and I recommend it to anyone who is a descendant
of Hugh & Charlotte.
Would you be able to help once more on a totally different branch
of the family Rachel?
We have an unsolved mystery of what happened to James Waller?
James was born in 1786 in Manchester. He joined the army and served at
the Battle of Waterloo - in 1826 he joined the NSW Royal Veterans Corps.
and arrived in Sydney in that year. On arrival in Sydney his wife Mary became
the Matron of the Female School of Industry and James, after being leaving
the Veterans, worked for the Colonial Secretary.
In 1837 he became employed by William Lonsdale and joined him in
Melbourne, leaving behind his wife and children.
He was subsequently given the job of Gaoler of the
Melbourne Gaol but had a falling out with Lonsdale,
(see Historical Records of Victoria) and headed for Tasmania.
Here we lost him, by 1851 he is recorded on the NSW marriage
certificate of his daughter as being deceased but where and
how??? He is not buried with his wife in Sydney,
no record of his death has been found in NSW
nor in Tasmania.
Many have tried to find his last resting place with no
success. There is a gold star waiting for the one
who finds him!
Helen
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Hi Rachel, My daughter Sonia is a GGGG granddaughter of Elizabeth Cole and James Tucker. As you probably know, their daughter Maria married William Mansfield, had 16 children, their last born being Emma Louise. She married Robert Jeffrey, had a son James Mansfield who was my former mother-in-law's father. My daughter has a precious photo of Emma Louise which I'll see in a few days time when she arrives from Darwin. I'm in Melbourne.
Do you know the circumstances of James Tucker being made hangman, and have you seen his entry from Old Bailey online? If not I'll send them. Do you also know there was a book entitled "Dispatched to the Derwent" published 2 years ago? It's about the life of William Mansfield. I should be receiving that this week, and can't wait.
Any info required, let me know. 4am and I've got to get some sleep. Regards, Irene
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Hi Brisgirl,
I am hoping you can help me find an Edward O'Shea. His son's birth certificate (1896).which I purchased from BDM NSW, says he was born in Bright, Vic. He was 28 so he would have been born around 1868. I have found a record of his marriage in NSW but no birth in either NSW or Vic.
I'm not sure where to go from here.
Thankyou
Riccoh
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Hi Riccoh,
I had a look at my birth, death and marriage records and as you say, there is no record of Edward O'Shea's birth in Victoria in the 1860s.
However, there are a few possibilities ...
1) that the registration of his birth was misspelt
2) that he wasn't registered (a couple of my Australian ancestors have no birth records that I can find)
3) that he was born under a different name ... could his mother have been a single woman at his birth and then married a Mr O'Shea?
4) that he was younger than stated in the records (I have two under-age ancestors who lied about their ages at the time of their marriage)
5) that Edward was his middle name, not his given name
Do you have the certificate for Edward's marriage? If not, I suggest you purchase it as it will confirm (or otherwise) the date and place of birth given in his son's birth certificate and his parents' details. Consider contacting Marilyn Rowan at Marbract:
www.marbract.com.au (also: www.transcriptions.com.au)
as she charges less to transcribe NSW BDMs than obtaining the official certificate from the registry. I've used her a few times and she's very good.
I hope that helps a bit.
Regards, Brisgirl
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Hi Irene,
It's lovely to hear from you! Yes, I know about Maria and William, but wasn't aware of the book about them. Who is the author and publisher? I will purchase a copy for myself.
I don't know much about James Tucker so could you could send me the information you have, other than his entry on the Old Bailey online which I'll look up today. I'll give you my e-mail address via a personal message.
Sonia is lucky to have a photo of Emma Louise. Would she be able to scan it or have it copied at a photo store? If so, I would love to pay you for a copy, Emma being a granddaughter of my 6 times great-grandmother Elizabeth Cole.
As my Rootschat nickname suggests, I'm in Brisbane.
Kindest regards, Rachel
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Hi Helen,
Lovely to hear from you again! I'm glad the book turned out to be so useful. I really enjoyed doing that research for you.
Now for James Waller ... there's a challenge! ;) First of all, do you know the names of his parents? Has his death been researched in all Australian States or just in Tasmania and New South Wales? It sounds like he got around a bit, so could perhaps have travelled further afield before his death. It's possible his daughter assumed he was dead (or just considered him so in her own mind), as he'd left the family and perhaps wasn't in contact with them anymore.
Get back to me on these questions and we'll take it from there.
Cheers, Rachel
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Hi Brisgirl,
Thanks so much for taking the time to check for Edward's details and post a reply. I have actually ordered his marriage certificate so perhaps it will give me something else to go on. I have done research on all lines of my family and those of my husband but the O'Shea line, on my husband's side, has me stumped. None of his relatives know any more than I do.
Thanks again
Regards
Riccoh
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Never a truer word spoken when you say it is a challenge!
The story below is one written by a very good friend of ours
and is the result of many years of joint research. It
is posted on the Australian Redcoat Regiments webpage.
The problem with James is that we do not know the
name of his parents and there are several James Waller
deaths recorded on the Australian Vital Records but
we have no way of knowing if they are our James.
We suspect his father may have been Leonard Waller
but can not be sure.
In 1851, when he is referred to as being the late
Mr Waller, all his family were living at Church Hill in
Sydney and leading a very respectable life so It is quite
possible they had given up on him by that time, either that
or they knew something we don't! Last year I even looked
hopefully at a James Waller on the Staffs 1851 census thinking
he may have gone back to England.
He really did have a serious falling out with Lonsdale
so our guess is that he had burnt his bridges in both
Sydney & Melbourne and headed to Van Diemens Land.
There are a couple of likely looking James Wallers on
the Tasmanian Archives 1842 census but if one of these
are our James and he ended his days in Tasmanian then
you would imagine a death record somewhere?
Somehow Rachel I feel we will never know the answer.
Helen
PS It's nice to be back
Born : Circa 1787
Where Born : Manchester, England
Occupation : Soldier ,
Date Arrived : 8 July 1826
Ship Arrived on : " John Barry"
Rank attained : Weaver / Private
Date of Enlistment : Before 20 February 1826
Where Enlisted : England
Date of Discharge : 24 July 1829
Where Discharged : Sydney
Died :
Where Died / Buried :
Parents Names :
Spouse's Name : Mary Dickenson
Born : Circa . 1790
Where Born : Manchester, England
Occupation : Matron, Female School of Industry, Sydney
Date Arrived : 8 July 1826
Ship Arrived on : "John Barry "
Date Married : 16 July 1807
Where Married: Manchester, England
Died : 18 February 1868
Where Died / Buried : St Peters Botany Cemetery
Spouse's Parents : Abraham Dickenson
Children :
1 . James Waller (Junior) b.1819 ....d.1871 m. Sarah Muddle 1853
2 . Martha Waller b. 1829 ....d. 1909 m. William Beaumont 1851
3 . Agnes Waller b.1832 .... d. 1900 m. Charles Muddle 1854
History & Achievements :
James Waller enlisted in the 23rd Regiment of Foot, The Royal Welsh Fusiliers in 1805 at the age of 18. He served with this famous regiment throughout the Peninsular and Napoleonic Wars, seeing service in Spain, Portugal, France and Belgium and was a participant in the great Battle of Waterloo. He was discharged on 24 November 1818 and recommended to the Chelsea Hospital as deserving a pension. Life outside the army was not for James and he enlisted in the 5th Royal Veterans Battalion the following year, serving for 2 years. He followed his trade as a weaver before enlisting in the newly formed NSW Royal Veterans Company and arrived with it
in 1826 on the "John Barry". He took an early discharge, possibly disqualifying himself from the promise of a land grant, to work as a messenger in the office of the Colonial Secretary. In 1837 he entered the service of Captain Lonsdale and travelled to the new settlement of Port\ Phillip where he was briefly appointed gaoler. He disappears from historical record in a dispatch by Captain Lonsdale on 29th December, 1837 stating that "he has gone to Van Diemens Land." All attempts to trace him have failed.
Shortly after arriving in NSW Mary Waller, his wife, was engaged as Matron of the Female School of Industry, a position she held for over 10 years. This was the first charity in Australia wholly created and managed by women, with a committee of socially prominent ladies, headed by Mrs Darling, wife of the Governor. The institution was dedicated to the moral, religious and basic academic education of girls whilst training them to become household servants. James and Mary's three children all achieved a very high level of social and economic success.
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Hi Rachel, I'm sending you a couple of PMs. It will take me a day or two to send everything. I'm not as organised as you seem to be. Regards, Irene
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Hi shadrack I'm new at this , I been looking at Alice May Brindley web pages in tassy and was interested your reply no43 about Alice standing on the front veranda at Zeehan of which i have an original copy given to me by my cousin,My Geno line is Maguines(as Hugh spells it) to Gulley to Brindley to Albert Hall to Hiscock, would love to compar notes . Allan
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Hi My names Richard Perkins Charlotte Brindley is my great grandmother. I have been unable to trace her father or mother.Wonder if Brisgirl has found out any more. Rick
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Hi Richard,
There are 2 ladies in this family name Charlotte - one born in 1833 and one in 1861 but I guess you are looking for the earlier lady who married Thomas Perkins?
Her parents were James Brindley, born about 1788 in Nottingham UK and Mary Ann Searcey born about 1790 in Nottingham. James arrived in Sydney in 1826, co-incidentally on the same ship, the John Barry, and in the same Regiment of Royal Veterans as the above James Waller. James Brindley was posted to Tasmania but left there later for Sydney on the Sapphire on 26 February 1846 to seek work in NSW. He arrived in Sydney 7th March with 135 hired servants from Van Dieman's Land to work in NSW.
James died on 25th August 1847 at the Benevolent Asylum.
Hope this helps,
Shadrach
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Hi Thanks for the info, which I have Thomas Perkins is my great grandfather a convict and later superintendent of police.I am really interested in that family and to discover what happened to his father Richard a gunsmith.Thanks agaiun for your help Rick
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Hi Shadrach,
I am a descendant of Charlotte Hall and have tried to obtain a copy of the Fr Hardiman book without success. I can however print a copy of the relevant pages through the National Library Australia. The problem is I do not know which pages to request. Is there any way you can assist me with this?
Regards Sheri
P>S have you had a look at the Trove website, there is some great stuff on there
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If you have a lot of ancestors that require tracking down, consider purchasing the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' "Australian Vital Records Index, 1788-1905" CDs for a ridiculously cheap US$9.00 + postage via their website: www.familysearch.org
I tried to purchase this CD several years age and was informed that it wasn't available to Australian residents, has that changed?
Mick
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Hi denehey 62,
The pages you need are the cover page then from from the beginning of Chapter One to, an including, page 12.
Yes, I find Trove wonderful
Have you read "The Floating Brothel" about the voyage of the Lady Julianna?
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Hi
yes, I have a copy of it and watched the ABC show on youtube.
Very interesting stuff. I tracked the family links down via Trove and then double checked it with my cousin as I was unaware that she had gotten this far back.
We come via a daughter of Charlotte, Sarah Rebecca Maginnis who married James Bingham and lived in Forcett.
Their daughter Kate was my great grandmother.
:)
My cousin has also confirmed the connection to the Dodge family.
Cheers Sheri
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Thank you so much for your help re: the book.
I might get a chance to go to the State Library tomorrow and have a look.
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Hi Shadrach,
got to the library and copied the first chapter then filicked through the book and found another family name listed Bingham. Looks like they are connected so I am going to have to get a hold of this book to have a good read. I think I will start a thread on here about the book.
Thanks again for you help Sheri
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For anyone wanting a copy of the Father Hardiman book From East to West we Gather a People. I strongly suggest you contact him directly as it is the only way to obtain one now. He is Fr Russell Hardiman, do not attempt to email him as you will not get a response... he has someone else handle that. I ended up ringing him and speaking to him myself. He is a lovely man. He is Munster Western Australia and if you google him with those details you should find his contact number. I prefer not to leave it on here for his privacy. I hope this helps someone. :)
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hi from the uk
can you give me any more in fo one the binghams you came across.my binghams where brn heanor derbyshire,and emigrated to wa,they were brothers fred and herbert.they arrived i aus seperately.
thanks lesleys
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Hi there, can you look up the following 2 records please?
The NSW Marriage record for William W Smith
Spouse Name: Bridget C Corbett
Marriage Date: 1892
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Granville, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1892
Registration Number: 3932
The NSW Marriage record for Thomas W Smith
Spouse Name: Mary Elizabeth Morris
Marriage Date: 1865
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Redfern, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Number: 1194
this will be very much appreciated, thanks, Pete
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Tried to purchase the cd you mentioned in your post, and the site says that it is not for sale in Australia.
Regards
George