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Research in Other Countries => South Africa => Topic started by: Colin K on Friday 14 October 05 10:51 BST (UK)
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Reseaching the ROWE & MILLETT families ex Cornwall to South Africa circa late 1890's -1900's.
Father: Thomas Henry ROWE & his 2 sons, Thomas (jnr ) ROWE, and Jack ROWE: also looking for information on Phillip MILLETT married to a Maria Mercy ROWE, daughter and sister of the above three ROWES:
Any assistance as to where they may have emigrated to, possable children born, and / or death, burial or cemetary information will be gratefully received.
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Hi there,
The national archives ( read the guidelines to research in SA) show that Phillip died in 1918 in the Transvaal, with wife surviving Maria b Rowe.
here is the reference:
DEPOT TAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 34585 PART 1 DESCRIPTION MILLETT, PHILLIP. STARTING 19180000 ENDING 19180000 REMARKS SURVIVING SPOUSE MARIA MILLETT (BORN ROWE).
What was Thomas Henry's wifes name? This might enable me to find his death.
will keep on looking
Ruth
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Here is Thomas Henrys death notice from the Free State archives in 1901:
There is also one for him in the Transvaal archives.
If you apply for a death notice it will list children and maybe grandchildren.
Ruth
DEPOT VAB SOURCE MHG TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 0 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE R792 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ROWE, THOMAS HENRY.Spouse: PHYLLIS HARRY (born WRIGHT). STARTING 19010000 ENDING 19010000
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I see too from the archives that Henry Welfare Rowe - a cousin perhaps - was also in South Africa.
i have been going through the UK census images and cross referencing - incidently the Rowe family are miss transcribed on both the 1871 and 1891 censuses.
Ruth
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Hi Ruth, thank you for your prompt and informative responce to my query, It is understood that Thomas Henry Rowes wife remained in the UK, never going to South Africa. I will check the National Archives using the referance provided. Again many thanks, it now gives me an location which previously the family had no knowledge.
Colin Kennedy
New Zealand
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Hi Ruth,
One other question if I may, do South African Death Certificates list/note the occupation of the deceased?.
Many thanks
Colin Kennedy
New Zealand
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Hi Colin,
There are other Thomas Henrys listed in the archives with insolvency issues - may or may not be him or his son though. It would tell you his occupation, also bearing in mind that this was the time of the anglo boer war.
Read the link below for what you can find out from a death notice. There is aslo a SA lady researching the Millett - Clay family in South Africa with the Milletts being from Cornwall. Her details are on the family tree website.
let me know if there is anything else i can do for you.
Ruth
http://www.genealogyworld.net/estate.html
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Hi Ruth,
I have exchanged emails with Glynis Millett-Clay, unfortunately her "Millett" is as, a stepson assuming/using the name Millett from his stepfather. I look forward to learning the way to access the information contained within the Archives you have kindly provided details of.
Many thanks once again
Colin Kennedy
New Zealand
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Haven't tried this before so if I'm infringing a protocol bear with me. I have been fortunate enough to have been in touch with Colin who has helped me a good deal regarding this branch of my family. My great grandpa was the Thomas Henry Snr. in question. He went out to SA at sometime in the 1890's. His wife, Philis (or Phillis, or Phyllis...) Harry Rowe, nee Wright, was supposed to join him there but refused to go. Maybe seen as being unreasonable now, but given that she had never left the county of Cornwall in all her 87 years, I guess one could understand her reluctance to make the trip.
This SA connection fascinates me because I was led to believe T H snr. had abandoned his family and had split to SA to get away from it all. All untrue of course. One of Thomas Henry jnr daughter married a Dixon. I beleive that branch are alive and well living in the Johannesburg area.
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Hi Peter,
There is no butting in here - everyones input helps and welcome to Rootschat a most friendly site! The best way forward is to approach the Preotoria archives directly - they may or may not answer, may or may not take a while!!!! Others there are very competent researchers in the Johannesburg area that will help you.
unfortunately i live in Durban so am unable to get there.
Ruth
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What was Thomas henrys (jnr) wifes name?
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Thanks for the reply Ruth. I completely forgot that I had these details, knew I had them somewhere; I finally came across them with flamenco guitar transcriptions!
Thomas Henry jnr married Rachel Magdalena Swanepul (not sure of the spelling, it isn't in my writing) b.1878. d. 03.03.43. They had four children Another - would you believe? - Thomas Henry who married Henrietta Ann Taylor. Ann, b. 23.04.1897 - I have her in the group photo of 1902 - who married Michael Petrus. Phyillis Ester b.02.04.1899, who married William Wardrop Dixon, b.27.07.1886 at Shipley Gate. Notts. UK. and Theodora Stephany, b. 16.06.1904, she married Walter Pain. Can't believe I had these details, it isn't my mothers writing. Maybe an example of magic writing?
Thanks again for being interested Ruth.
Regards
Peter in Brighton, East Sussex, UK
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Hi Ruth and Peter,
Great to see you have joined the "GIonN" ( "Genealogy Investigation on the Net" ) Peter. Ruth provided a great link for my MILLETT queries and by the look of it she is really getting, for you, a good idea of locations for ROWE in South Africa.
Regards
Colin Kennedy
New Zealand
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hi everyone..
I lived in Cape town for 20 years so am very interested in your cornish connections as my family all originated from there.
Have you tried cornwall online census project? they have 1841 - 1901 census transcribed, the only thing is that you need to know from what district they came.
hope this proves helpful in your search!
regards
Deb
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Hi Deb,
Yes, we have used this great site to review details and have found a couple of new leads and additional information. Thanks for your help
Regards Colin
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Dear Colin & Deb
It's been so long since I took a look at the RootsChat site I'd forgotten how to post a message. Yes, I'm still looking for my S.A. relatives. What irks me somewhat is the fact that I had all the relevant addresses (in Johannesburg) to hand just five years ago but lost them somewhere along the line after my wife died.
Best regards to you
Peter in Brighton, East Sussex
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Ruth,
I was wondering if there are OPC's { Online Parish Clerks for the various S/A Churchs}. And if so, if you could lead me in the direction of Web based Church listings and or web page address for OPC's.
Kind regards Colin
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Hello everyone
I've been silent for many months but I am still trying to trace Rowes and Milletts who went out to Johannesburg around the turn of the last century. Right now I'd appreciate a little help with regard the NAAIRS database.
Given that using the TAB database I have made a hit with a reference, volume number etc... what do I do to access the documents referred to?
Best wishes
Peter in Hove East Sussex UK
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This is actually a ROWE request. I have an Anna Caroline Florentine ROWE who married Heinrich Martin Ludwig SELK here in South Africa. They lived in Cape Town. They had a daughter born * Caroline Dorothea Anna * 10 Mar 1889 here in cape town. Have you perhaps seen these names before? I could not find a death notice for her or her husband here.
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Dear Peter,
my father Brian is the son of William Dixon who married Phyllis Rowe. They lived in Johannesburg for most of his childhood. I can supply a few details of Dad's family if you are at all interested - he is one of five children, but the only one left alive. He is 86 and has poor short term memory but he has a good memory for his early days.
We live in Surrey
Sarah
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Dear Peter,
I've just re-read that and wanted to confirm that Dad and his siblings are the children of Phyllis Esther Rowe - the way I wrote it wasn't clear about that. I should also say that I met my South African grandmother and have a few memories of her.
best regards
Sarah