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Warwickshire / Re: Westbourne House, 17 Westbourne Road, Edgbaston.
« on: Tuesday 20 February 24 16:31 GMT (UK)  »
So now I am totally confused because I have found another 1901 census entry for a Westbourne, apparently in Westbourne Road. This one also has a lodge, occupied by a gardener. The next schedule number is Oakmount, then Courtlands, which fits with the map.

At this Westbourne, in the main house is Charles Dixon and industrialist, his wife Agnes M Dixon and their family including Christiana, 7. Unclear how she would have given permission for a meeting in 1906 however.

Apologies for the confusion.

I think the property was renamed Chad Valley by 1901.  In the census, it's just described as 17 Westbourne Road. 
The property on the other side of the botanic gardens was by then called Westbourne.

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Warwickshire / Re: Westbourne House, 17 Westbourne Road, Edgbaston.
« on: Tuesday 20 February 24 16:20 GMT (UK)  »
1901: 17 Westbourne Road, Charlotte A Lindner, 78, living own means
17 (lodge) is adjacent: Hubert Croft, policeman with his family.

She died in 1909, but probate record says that she was of Chad Valley, Westbourne Road, so she must have moved along the road.

In 1891 she is also at number 17 but her husband Max Lindner, 76, is there too, and he is "Export Merchant and German Consul". William Plover? coachman is at the lodge with his family.

When the property was put up for auction in 1912, it was named as Chad Valley so I think it's the same place.

Having Max Lindner's death in 1898 means that I can be fairly sure that John Dalby had been their gardener for a long time. Because of what his son, Leonard, told the family, his father must have started working there while Max was still alive.  Leonard worked for his father as a gardener but his father was such a hard taskmaster that Leonard left and joined the army.


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA query
« on: Tuesday 20 February 24 12:34 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Biggles.

I'll certainly do that on the family tree but we would also like to be as sure as possible so that Laura can finally learn who her mother's father was.

We've just had another dna match come up (after no close ones appearing for years) so that might help narrow the options as well.

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Warwickshire / Re: Westbourne House, 17 Westbourne Road, Edgbaston.
« on: Monday 19 February 24 17:13 GMT (UK)  »
He, John Dalby, was a gardener all his life - presumably the Lodge came with the job at Westbourne Manor (previously known as St Phillip's House).

By 1921, he had moved to North Road, Harborne and was a jobbing gardener.

It's who lived in the big house in 1911 that I'm interested in. 

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Warwickshire / Westbourne House, 17 Westbourne Road, Edgbaston.
« on: Monday 19 February 24 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
In the 1911 census my husband's great-grandparents were living in The Lodge, 17 Westbourne Road. 
I've found the family but can't find a census return for Westbourne House itself.
I've searched google as well but can't find out who lived in the property or whether it was still a private house or not.
My father-in-law thought that his grandfather had worked as a gardener for an embassy or consulate but I can't find any confirmation that this might be the place.
Any local knowledge about the place?
 

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA query
« on: Monday 19 February 24 16:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for that.

It does look as if he is the most likely person. So far, no-one in the family seems to have had any idea about it - a well-kept secret.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / DNA query
« on: Monday 19 February 24 13:34 GMT (UK)  »
A new relative has cropped up on Ancestry and I’m trying to work who could be the father.
Can anyone help, working it out from the amounts of shared dna?
(I’ve used names to make it easier to talk about them but they aren’t the real names of the people involved)

Known relative line:
Alfred and 1st wife Clare --- son Fred --- grandson Glyn.
Alfred and 2nd wife Doris --- daughter Helen --- grandson Ian.
Ian shares 11% dna - 766cM with Glyn.

New connection:
Unknown father --- daughter Kim --- granddaughter Laura – g.granddaughter Mary.
Laura shares 6% dna – 446cM with Glyn.
Mary shares 4% with Glyn and 5% with Ian.

Possible complicating factor:
Alfred’s wives were full blood sisters.

Could Alfred be Kim’s father or do the dna amounts make it more likely that it’s one of his brothers – two of them were of an age and living in the right area.

Will be grateful for any suggestions.

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The Lighter Side / American Revolutionary War Fort.
« on: Monday 08 January 24 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
I've just come across this round-up of a Revolutionary War fort discovered inside an old plantation house in West Virginia - https://twitter.com/johnbryanesq/status/1744042901280104535 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOKYScUocpI

"Basically an entire family’s belongings from the mid 19th century through 2016 were still in the house."

The finds from all periods that come out of the ground are amazing - the ancestors just filled any available hole with what was rubbish to them but treasures now.

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The Lighter Side / Re: FindMyPast has decided I'm a "Nibling" !!!
« on: Friday 08 December 23 17:16 GMT (UK)  »
I’m just confused.  About 18 months ago one of my grandchildren no longer recognised as the sex assigned to them at birth.  So all of a sudden I had a grandson.  It is the least of my worries if he now recognises as male as he is still my flesh and blood.  What throws me though is people referring to him as they and them.  It is so ingrained in me that I cannot accept plural for one person in my mind and keep looking for the extra person. 
As for a nibbling I’m only a half, my father had a different father, so am I a nib or a ling?

It isn't easy to remember at first but it will become automatic with time. 

They and them have always been used as singular in English when we don't know the gender - "Someone has left their coat; I hope they come back for it" - "We've got a new neighbour but I haven't met them yet".

I've used niblings for years - much easier than saying 'nephews and nieces' every time.


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