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The Common Room / Good news from Familysearch
« on: Yesterday at 22:41 »

At the Family History Expo in Auckland a couple of weekends ago, the very nice lady from Familysearch who had come to do a seminar, (she was ‘Vice Principal of Business Development’ no less), had some intersting statistics about Familysearch.
a) They are adding new records at the rate of 1,000,000 a day.
b) Only about 23% of the records they hold are indexed, (so that means you have to search in other places on the site other than just the ‘name’ page).
c) They are well on the way to having all the films digitised by the 2020 date they gave last year. In fact she said they will have completed them before their target date.

Good news all round!

I was looking at a film of the Court rolls from a tiny village in Staffordshire the other day. Fascinating stuff. One page was virtually a census of all the (adult) people in the village in 1691 as far as I could see.

You never know what’s out there! :D

After 40 years I finally solved one of my big brick walls!
Got 8 generations of yeoman farmers in and around Macclesfield in Cheshire only halted by my grandfather.
But I had never been able to find the births (or marriages) of my 7 and 8 x great grandfathers. William & Richard Lane. Burials, yes, wills, yes. Baptisms no.
Tried all sorts. Got lots of images of them having ‘leases for 3 lives’ from the Earls of Derby; images of them being ‘overseer for the poor’, ‘constable’; paying for their seats in the local chapel, etc - good, hardworking men, doing their best for their families and community.
1672 is the first dated piece of evidence where I can place Richard Lane in Macclesfield Forest - he takes a lease on 46 acres there.
But where did they come from? Admittedly the records back in the early 1600s are pretty sketchy for around there, so I thought that that was the end of the line for them.

A couple of weekends ago I went the Family History Expo in Auckland. In the Familysearch seminar, the very nice lady sped through the different ways to search on the fs site. I have used it extensively for searching not only people under ‘records’, but using their ‘catalogue’ to view all sorts of films not found on the usual search websites. I’ve looked at ‘family tree’ on there briefly, but not found anything relevant, (and in fact seen erroneous information).
BUT I thought I’d give it another go, and a hit came up for Richard Lane, with the name of a wife, AND the names of her parents! Wow! No sources quoted, No actual record of  marriage, No person to contact - just ‘added by Familysearch’. How frustrating. Never ever taking anything at face value, I started to do some digging using the name suggested there. Took me quite a while, but eventually I found a will for the father of the wife which said in the middle ‘Richard Lane my son in law’! Got ya!!
(The very nice lady in the LDS Family History centre sang 'Hallelujah from Handel's Messiah for me I was so excitied!)
This turned out to be not in Cheshire, but in Staffordshire, about 18 miles away.
I’d looked at Staffordshire before of course, but Richard Lane is not an uncommon name there around the right time. Impossible to know which one would be the right one. Without the clue of the name of his wife, and getting to it that way, I would never been able to make the connection.
Now I have my Lane family rooted back another 3 generations, (not quite in the same village, but near by). Hooray!

So the moral of this story is:
a) Never give up, and b)use every avenue you can to try and find that missing clue - even if you didn’t really want to drive that 30  kms through the city to go and listen to somebody talking about something you thought you knew all about!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rules & regulations
« on: Monday 20 August 18 21:52 BST (UK)  »
Found the images of the book Alan.
The words in the margin (that we could only see part of in the clipping in your post), say:
act to
be read to
ane brother
after he his
given his oath
at his admission

Still working on the other text! How far have you got?

I think that that 'als' near the end of the first paragraph - if it is an abbreviation, could be for 'articles' - a(rtic)l(e)s.
It would fit in context.
Will PM you.

Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wirksworth Area Wills - Fowke
« on: Monday 20 August 18 07:52 BST (UK)  »
Ralph 1590 has sons John and Richard - his son Richard takes the inventory. I was going to add him later as a son together with John, and then forgot.
Sorry I didn't make that very clear before - I was putting the stuff together from the notes I made (not quite on 'the back of an envelope', but nearly!)  :)

I thought to add too - the index on the wishful thinking site gives lots of Fowkes wills, but not the places, or even the counties, they lived, so it would be a bit hit and miss to find the ones you want.
Not that people didn't move between counties. I have just this week broken down one of my very long term brick walls, by a little hint on a site I found, and then looking at a different county to where I thought they'd be. Bingo!  :)

Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wirksworth Area Wills - Fowke
« on: Monday 20 August 18 04:11 BST (UK)  »
So I had a quick look at your Fowke wills on findmypast at my local library today (in New Zealand!).
(Well, trying to read handwriting from the 1500s is never very ‘quick’!)

Ralph (Raphe) Fowke 1590
Wife Anne. Sons John. Daughter Helen Willkinsone married to John Willkinsone of Mackworth. Daughter Margerie Fowke who along with wife Anne are the executors.
John Willkinsone is given as owing him £3.
A nice detailed inventory, taken by Richard Fowke among others.

Roger Fowke 1573.
Sons Richard, John and Thomas (who is left the house). Daughter Margrete.
Rauffe Fowke and Rychard Fowke are witnesses to it, among others.
Short inventory.

Thomas Fowke is of Breadsall, Derbyshire. 1573.
Wife Jane. Sons Richard, Thomas and John. Wife and son Thomas executors.

There are several other Fowke wills. Some Breadsall, some Wirksworth - I quickly saw there was a John of 1542 of Wirksworth, a John of Breadsall 1546, and a Thomas of Breadsall 1550. Possibly more.
The one of John in 1542 has a listing in the Index book - that’s the image findmypast take you to, but there don’t seem to be any images of the actual will. There is a tick against it in the index book, which generally means the will has survived. I don’t know why there are no images of the will. I have come across this before - sometimes they just get missed out of the filming.
If you want to see it, you would have to contact the Stafford Record Office and ask for a copy. (Won’t cost much). All these wills used to be housed at Lichfield Record Office, but that closed at the beginning if the year, and all records should by now be at Stafford RO.
email -

If this were my family, I know i would like the see the original documents.
I suspect that would mean either taking out a short term sub to findmypast, or getting copies from the Stafford Record Office. (I think they now do nice colour scanned images, rather than the grainy black & white images on findmypast, which are always more pleasing to see.)
You can search findmypast for free from home - it’s only the images you have to have a sub for.
You can also search an index of Lichfield wills at Rosemary Lockies Wishful thinking site:
You might need to play around with the spelling of Fowke. Unfortuately a ‘soundex’ matching option brings up about 10 pages with some very strange matches!

Good luck!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Rules & regulations
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 11:13 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your pm.

Good guess that it is in fact Scottish.

This is a great site for all those particularly Scottish words and terms:

I realise now the word on the first line is a work for the Deacon of the Craft - it looks as if it's spelt

Did you find out what the abbreviation for 'ab' was? - perhpas
'to the weill of the abs'. ie, at their will.
I wondered if that 'al? and' was actually all one word?
There is a word 'alland', which means 'in the same sense'

Derbyshire Lookup Requests / Re: Wirksworth Area Wills - Fowke
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 10:25 BST (UK)  »
Wills proved at Lichfield should now be on findmypast.
Have you checked?

If you don't have a sub, you may be able to access them at a local library.

World War Two / Re: London Gazette - Mention in Despatches
« on: Saturday 18 August 18 22:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the insight MaxD.
Lots of information on the page you posted of reasons why people were Mentioned in Despatches.
This is all it says at the start of the entries in which my father appears - some 2 pages later, along with dozens of non-officers.

World War Two / Re: London Gazette - Mention in Despatches
« on: Friday 17 August 18 22:55 BST (UK)  »
Just to add; I did find my father's entry in the London GAzette for his 'mentioned in despatches', but all it gave was a very,very long list of just the names of those who had been so mentioned - nothing else - no  reason for the award etc.
I also got his war record (Air force). Again, it states he was mentioned in despatches, but again no reason given.
I still have to track that down, wherever that may be!

Good luck

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