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Here are the signatures at the bottom.
Looks like 'William' is correct.
Both petty fancy!  :)

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Hi Horselydown. Thanks very much.
I thought it might be William, but the only children I've found for Richard and Alice Dangar, (her name is given on the will cover as 'relict'), are Elizabeth, James and Charles. Not to say others are missing of course.

I think the second Bondsman is John Pomery.
Charles Pomery married Mary Dangar in 1705 .
They had a son John bap 1708 in St Neot.
This John is always termed 'John Pomery of Liskeard" - as on this admon. There were scores of Pomerys in Cornwall at this time!
I think Mary Dangar must have been the sister of Richard of this admon.
Both children of another Richard and his wife Martha. Richard baptised 1673, and 'Marie' baptised 1679. Again no William found born to them.
That would make this John Pomery the testators' nephew (I think!).
I'm just trying to join up the dots.
As I say, there were scores of Pomery families in Cornwall at this time.There is a will case for a Richard Dangar 1674, but it is just a tiny scrap of paper and so badly deteriorated, it's impossible to read anything from it.
What fun!

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This is the administration of Richard Dangar (sometimes 'Danger'), in 1738 of St Neot, Cornwall. (St Neot here).
His daughter Elizabeth is the administrator, but what are the two other bondsmen?
At the end of line 2 and beginning of line3, and the end of line 3 and beginning of line 4.
Both 'gents'. One of East Looe, and one of Liskeard.

I have an idea what they might be, but don't want to influence anybody looking at it.

Many thanks

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According to the information on familysearch.org's page for Lesmahagow:

[i]Here is a list of the surviving Kirk session records for this parish:

Minutes and Some Accounts 1651–1657, 1683–1727, 1768–1811
Note: Available at the National Archives of Scotland, Edinburgh, record CH2/239.

[/I]

So it looks as though they don't survive for the time period you're looking at.

Civil registration in Scotland didn't start until 1855, so there would have been no birth certificates to check people's ages., or marriage certificates to show they were married.
Many people were 'economical with the truth'!

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Cheshire / Re: Povar
« on: Sunday 14 April 24 23:54 BST (UK)  »
There is a 'Glossary' page on The Cheshire Parish Register Project site, which gives a list of abbreviations for the parishes.
eg "ALDA : Alderley BTs
ALDL : Alderley
AUDL : Audlem
BACA : Backford BTs
BACK : Backford
BEBI : Bebington
BIDA : Bidston BTs
BIDS : Bidston
BROA : Bromborough BTs
BROB : Bromborough
BUNB : Bunbury
BURT : Burton
CEJB : Chester, St John
CEMA : Chester, St Mary BTs
CEMY : Chester, St Mary
CHDL : Cheadle
CHDX : Cheadle BTs
DAVA : Davenham BTs


However, if you scroll further down the Glossary to 'residence', you'll find a long list of them.

The baptism of Peter, father John, in 1669 says residence as "SINK".
SHYG : Shady Grove.
SIBB : Sibbersfield.
SIDD : Siddington.
SIDE : Sidebottom Fold.
SIDH : Siddalls Hill.
SIMG : Simms Green.
SIMH : Simmonds Hill.
SIMM : Simmonds Green.
SIND : Sinderland.
SING : Sinderland Green.
SINK : Sinck Moss.
SKEL : Skellorn Green.
SLAC : Slack, The.
SLAH : Slaughter H


There is no residence transcribed for the baptism of 'Alis" in 1680.
Next to the baptism of Jane in 1677 is 'LEHH".
 LEFT : Leftwich.
LEGH : Legh.
LEHH : High Legh.
LEHH : Legh, High.
LEHP : Ley Hey Park.
LEIG : Leighton.
LEIH : Leigh.
LEIL : Leigh, Little.
LEIL : Little Leigh.
LEIN : Leighton in Nantwich.
LEIS : Leighton in Neston.
LEYL : Leylands.



I see there is also a John Leigh baptised April 11 1667, father John of "SINK".
Also a Josiah Leigh baptised Dec 5 1686, father John of 'LEHH"

There are many, many baptisms where there is no place of residence given.
You can click on each entry in the CPRP to find the other information given in the entries in the registers - at this point in time it looks usually just the father's name.

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Staffordshire / Re: James family of Caverswall (circa 1500s)
« on: Monday 18 March 24 06:43 GMT (UK)  »
Have you searched the National Archives Discovery site?

I found this item by searching for "Gilbert James".
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7492053
Although there is a comma between 'Gilbert' and 'James', it may be just the one person, 'Gilbert James'.
The only way to find out is to ask for a copy of the document.

Have you searched the Staffordshire Record Office catalogue?
http://www.archives.staffordshire.gov.uk/CalmView/Overview.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog

The best avenue of research at this period is wills.
Findmypast have Lichfield wills, under which Staffordshire and surrounding counties came.
Have you looked for any wills for any James families that look like they may be of interest?

Another avenue is manor court records.
According to the manorial documents register on The National Archives, there is very little for Caverswall. It may be included in a neighbouring parish.
This is the listing for Dilhorne.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_col=300&_dss=range&_subj=manor&_tn=dilhorne&_ocn=Staffordshire&_st=mdr

If you know who the local landowner was, (probably some high class person), you may find documents of rents or disputes in their papers, which may still be held privately.

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5th October 1704 baptised by the curate, Pierre son of Jean Chargelegue and Jeanne
...son The godfather was Pierre Nau(?) and the godmother Magdelaine Chargelegue, all of the parish

Signatures of Jean Chargelegue and Pierre Nau

Hopefully somebody with more knowledge of French names can make out the rest of the mother's surname.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Apprenticeships records
« on: Friday 23 February 24 20:17 GMT (UK)  »
Have a look here:
https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/history-and-heritage/guildhall-library/family-history/apprenticeship-records

https://www.londonroll.org

Added: I checked out 'londonroll'. They don't cover watchmakers. who I would think come under 'The Worshipful Company of Clockmakers'. https://clockmakers.org/home.
It's always worth checking other livery companies than the one you'd think they'd belong to though. I was stuck for many years looking at The Dyers Company for an ancestor who was a dyer, only to suddenly find he had been apprenticed in The Drapers' Company!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worshipful_Company_of_Clockmakers
this says archives at The Guildhall.

PS. Love your avatar!

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Aghhhh!  I had missed this but fortunately came across your post when I was double checking info.  Great spot goldie61, thank you so much!  A connection between Thomas Ward and William Mylward - brilliant.  That is very helpful and good to know.  I will add it to my notes.

It's always fun when a name you're interested in crops up somewhere isn't it?!  ;)
It may have been that they just knew each other within the small community of Sheen at that time, and they were not necessarily related of course.
I don't think all inventory appraisors were necessarily related to the testator.

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