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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Friday 23 July 10 02:58 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for the advice.

Interestingly, JRPH's service number is NOT included on his RNR Discharge Certificate, which rather surprised me.  I'd looked for it previously there but the only unique number, apart from his personal details, is the certifciate number itself which is written in the same hand.

However, I have found his service number and rating at the time of award inscribed on the rim of his RNR Long Service & Good Conduct Medal.  On the basis of award for 15 years' service, with mobilised time of 4 1/2 years counting double, I estimate that he was probably eligible for the medal some time in 1919, not too long after his demobilisation from active duty.

As he was a merchant seaman, at least at the time of his RNR enrollment in 1908, I'm surprised that his RNR Discharge Certificate didn't include a record of his MN Discharge Book Number, the equivalent of a naval service number.  However, I'm not sure when Discharge Books were formally introduced in the MN.

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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Thursday 22 July 10 00:31 BST (UK)  »
Jean,

I'm not aware of any family members using the spelling 'Harries' as opposed to 'Harris'.  However, my knowledge only extends to JRPH and his direct descendants.  I'm not aware of meeting any of his siblings.  It's entirely possible that I did as a very small child but obviously have no recollection of that.  As you are aware from sourcing their birth certificates, most of JPRH's children were girls, one of whom never married.  The other three all assumed their husband's surname at marriage, as was the custom in the 1940s and 50s, although nowadays that would not necessarily be the case.


Seaweed,

I live in Perth, Australia, and therefore I'm unable to visit Kew myself, or at least only on a very occasional basis.  Any research I undertake with the UK will have to be done online or by correspondence with the archives.  I'd be very grateful for any advice you could offer about accessing the archives remotely.

You might well be right about the crew agreement for s.s. 'Karamea' showing the name of his previous ship.  I'd forgotten that was the practice on crew agreements raised under the 1894 M.S. Act.

   

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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 11:40 BST (UK)  »
No, I'm very new to this sort of thing and don't know about obtaining documents from TNA.

I would be most interested in obtaining his RNR records, particularly those covering his mobilised WWI service.  I recall my grandfather telling me that he was enrolled as a "Devonport" rating, rather than Portsmouth or Chatham, but I'm not sure if that is relevant or helpful to identifying or obtaining the records.

I have a photograph of the crew of the s.s. Karamea taken in Sydney, NSW, on 16th January 1911 which includes JRPH.  'Karamea' was owned by Shaw, Saville and Albion and registered in Southampton.  That is the reason I know he was serving in the MN in 1911.  Interestingly, there's a shoal patch in the Capricorn Channel at the southern end of the Great Barrier Reef named 'Karamea Bank'.  I checked that with the RN Hydrographic Office in Taunton many years ago and was told the bank was reported by, and named for, a later SS&A ship of the same name.         

In addition, I'd like to obtain my father's army service records from WWII.  I imagine that should be somewhat easier as I would expect that those records are more likely to have survived.  In addition, I have my father's army service number, which is probably a better starting point.   

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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Wednesday 21 July 10 01:03 BST (UK)  »
The reason I know he was in the RNR is that I possess his original RNR Discharge Certificate.  The certificate records that he was enrolled in the RNR from 1908 until 1933 and also that he was mobilised during WWI from August 1914 until February 1919.   

I also have a 'Roll of Honour' of the Mersey Dock and Harbour Board dated January 2nd, 1915, which records him as being in the Engineer's Department and serving with His Majesty's Forces.  That may be the reason that he's described as 'Marine Engineer - Dock and Harbour Board' on his Death Certificate.  However, he wasn't a "marine engineer" in the general accepted sense of the term.

Interestingly, neither the RNR or MDHB certificate includes the name 'Pashion' or initial 'P'.  I'm aware that he didn't like the name and obviously avoided using it if he didn't have to.

 

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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Tuesday 20 July 10 16:31 BST (UK)  »
Jean,

John RP Harris was my grandfather, which was why I recognised the description 'Leading Seaman RNR / Journeyman Shiprigger' immediately in connection with HMS Duke of Cornwall.

I have a family tree covering JRPH and his siblings which shows your grandmother, Eleanor, to be his elder sister by 2 years.  I can't comment about the possibility of the John you met being him, or the son of JRPH's brother Thomas.  The only comment I can offer is that my grandfather was always known as "Jack" to his contemporaries and I never heard my grandmother address him, or refer to him, by any other name than "Jack".

I can state categorically that he's not the man you mention in an earlier post as being a Leading Shipwright in Simonstown.  My grandfather was not a shipwright by trade.  I have photographic evidence of him serving in the Merchant Navy in 1911, rather than the Royal Navy.     

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Occupation Interests / Re: Journeyman Shiprigger in royal Navy
« on: Monday 19 July 10 13:17 BST (UK)  »
Jean

I came across this post on Google today while searching for information on HMS Duke of Cornwall. 

I'm closely related to John Robert Passion Harris, which is the reason I was searching for the information.  I'd be interested in exchanging information with you.  I am able to confirm a number of details you've asked for clarification about.  In turn, I'd be interested in information you may have about him that's previously unknown to me.

However, you mention that you're related to him.  May I ask in what way you're related?

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