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Perthshire / Re: COMPLETED thanks! Census data 1881 - 1901 Thornhill Perthshire
« on: Sunday 28 August 22 10:01 BST (UK)  »
Yes I've corresponded with both Ken and Ryk for many years.

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Perthshire / Re: Puzzled
« on: Sunday 13 March 22 06:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi I've been researching JOHN Stewart for around 20 years (had a break for 10) there's just zilch on him. Records go back to his marriage in 1768 and that's it. 

However recently I purchased some CDs and 1st edition copies of vols 2-4 of The Stirling Antiquary from The Scottish Genealogy Society and a p/back copy of vol 1, because I'd read on-line 10 years ago a bit that could only refer to this family.

From Valuation Rolls and Pigots I know that the family continued the tenancy of the land of the tannery into the 1900's (by then as part of a coal hauliers business)

Far from being a sole operator this was a family/cottage industry exporting shoes abroad, as the records show. From my personal research notes:-

"The real surprise was the later addition by the Minister to the MIs for Norrieston regarding
stones removed by the Council in 1929/39 one in particular stood out.
Re item 138 - "1773 Jas was a Tanner where Mr Sands shop is now. He made shoes and sent them
abroad. He was an ancestor of the Stewarts and Morrisons. grannies gfa and gmo" Mrs Morrison

A date of 1773 is too early for the death of any adult Stewart I'm able to
confirm through records. Can this possibly be the elusive James Stewart father of the John S
who married Isobel Dog/Doig in 1768? How on earth can I confirm this - Kirk Session records?

I knew something was niggling away in the back of my mind, I had to go back and check.
Vol 1 of Stirling Antiquary has this item on NORRIESTON, THORNHILL pge 135 first para
"Near the close of the last century the men were employed for the most part in agriculture,
while the women spent their time at the loom, knitting and tambouring. A hundred years ago
tanning was an important trade here. James Campbell, whose tannery was where Mr Sand's workshop now stands, got much of his leather made into shoes for exportation abroad. He died about 1773."

As you see the 1st story matched what I was looking for. The second states he's a JAMES CAMPBELL not the JAMES STEWART I was searching for, though it is the same story for one extremely impressive grave stone.

One possibility I guess is that CAMPBELL could be an uncle to John Stewart through his mother if she was a Campbell?

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Perthshire / Puzzled
« on: Saturday 12 March 22 20:45 GMT (UK)  »
I took a wee break from John Stewart Shoemaker of Thornhill because it was "doing my head in".
See if any of you can figure this out:-

In 1773 a master shoemaker James or Jas 'Campbell' died. There's two sources for that info only one has the surname. There's no Will or Testament Davit that I can find. So no idea who the business passed onto at that time, but most likely John Stewart also a shoemaker. In 1816 James STEWART son of John Stewart and Isobel Dog is the tanner and shoemaker. Later valuation records confirm the family retained the tenancy right up until post WW1.

My Q is how could a STEWART become a CAMPBELL heir/descendant within a generation without a will or testament davit? Anyone?

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Does anyone have access to the above CD? I'm trying to verify my (short) transciption.

I took my copy to the local library and was too rushed to double check I'd correctly transcribed the info as they were closing. It's Saturday now and they aren't open till Monday.  :'(

The transcription was from Norrieston Churchyard Kincardine and as I've written it is

"the later addition by the Minister to the MIs for Norrieston regarding stones removed by the Council in 1929/39 one in particular stood out. Re item 138 - "1773 Jas was a Tanner where Mr Sands shop is now. He made shoes and sent them abroad. He was an ancestor of the Stewarts and Morrisons. grannies gfa and gmo" Mrs Morrison"

Q: Have I missed a surname, or was there none?

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Perthshire / Re: john 'laird' stewart -tenant or owner ?
« on: Wednesday 09 March 22 11:56 GMT (UK)  »
Laird might just have been a nickname here. But, alternatively, there was a class of tenants known as "Bonnet Laird's" who farmed the land at a nominal rent on a long lease or tack (99 years often).
 

Also (tongue in cheek) the so called "Moss Lairds" of Flanders Moss on the Carse of Stirling: stories here https://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/The%20Moss%20Lairds.htm and here https://www.explore-loch-lomond.com/things-to-do/visitor-attractions/the-moss-lairds/ 

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Make another post then you'll be able to send OP a message.  :)

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Scotland / Re: 2022 Census
« on: Wednesday 02 March 22 11:01 GMT (UK)  »
Can't for the life of me figure out why they need to know not only my sex but also my sexual orientation! It's taking "provision" a little far when they ask that of a 75 year old woman unless they're going to provide us all with Toy Boys or Girls to keep us active a bit longer.  ;D :P

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Perthshire / Re: Elis(z)abeth Sinclair bn Crieff 1849 - age 12 census 1861 Dunblane
« on: Wednesday 23 February 22 18:52 GMT (UK)  »

I came across this site by accident and I am very interested to know your connection with the Sinclairs. Charles Halley Sinclair was my Great Granddad, mothers side. He was a QM Capt in the Black Watch and is buried in Sabathu India. He died on 21 June 1896. I have his service record plus photograph. Colin.

Hi Colin
Elizabeth Sinclair m David Stewart in Dunblane the following thread is about them https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=598063.msg4479633#msg4479633  and this tree goes back to John Stewart b circa 1742 I'm his 5 x great granddaughter https://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/trees/130476/I32315/john-stewart/individual 
Hope that helps

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