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Herefordshire / Re: Adopted son - Is this Margaret his mother?
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 10:32 GMT (UK) »
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Yes this is the certificate from GRO.
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Herefordshire / Adopted son - Is this Margaret his mother?
« on: Wednesday 27 March 24 09:42 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking into a Percy Walter Jones, born 11th June 1896. He lived, married and died in Birmingham.
In 1901 he was living in Aston, Birmingham, as the adopted son of William Thomas Platford and his wife Harriet. He again appeared with this family in 1911.
Percy Walter Jones's place of birth is recorded as Hereford in both the 1901 and 1911 census records. There is a birth on GRO for him and his parental details are as follows:
Born - 11th June 1896, Hampton Bishop
Mother - Margaret Jones (domestic servant)
Father - Thomas Jay (this is then crossed out)
I'd like to know who Margaret was. I wonder if she had died and this is why her son was adopted. Or whether she gave her son away.
There is a Margaret Jones in the 1891 census working as a servant in Hampton Bishop. She is a servant to Lionel Corbett and family, and she is listed as being 24 years old. Could this be my Margaret?
I looked for deaths of anyone named Margaret Jones in Hereford from the time of Percy's birth to 1901 when he appears to have been adopted. There is only one possible (going by age) in 1899. Margaret Jones aged 18. If this Margaret is the right person then the 1891 census above wouldn't match. The Margaret who died in 1899 was the second daughter of a John Jones according to newspaper records. He was living in Cantilope Street, Hereford.
I'm not sure yet if there is a connection between the Platford family (originally from Norfolk, but moved to Birmingham after 1891) and a Jones family to determine if they knew each other or not.
Who was Margaret? Could it be the Margaret who was a servant in 1891 in the same place listed on Percy's birth record? Will I ever know? Is the father (who was crossed out on the birth record) also traceable?
In 1901 he was living in Aston, Birmingham, as the adopted son of William Thomas Platford and his wife Harriet. He again appeared with this family in 1911.
Percy Walter Jones's place of birth is recorded as Hereford in both the 1901 and 1911 census records. There is a birth on GRO for him and his parental details are as follows:
Born - 11th June 1896, Hampton Bishop
Mother - Margaret Jones (domestic servant)
Father - Thomas Jay (this is then crossed out)
I'd like to know who Margaret was. I wonder if she had died and this is why her son was adopted. Or whether she gave her son away.
There is a Margaret Jones in the 1891 census working as a servant in Hampton Bishop. She is a servant to Lionel Corbett and family, and she is listed as being 24 years old. Could this be my Margaret?
I looked for deaths of anyone named Margaret Jones in Hereford from the time of Percy's birth to 1901 when he appears to have been adopted. There is only one possible (going by age) in 1899. Margaret Jones aged 18. If this Margaret is the right person then the 1891 census above wouldn't match. The Margaret who died in 1899 was the second daughter of a John Jones according to newspaper records. He was living in Cantilope Street, Hereford.
I'm not sure yet if there is a connection between the Platford family (originally from Norfolk, but moved to Birmingham after 1891) and a Jones family to determine if they knew each other or not.
Who was Margaret? Could it be the Margaret who was a servant in 1891 in the same place listed on Percy's birth record? Will I ever know? Is the father (who was crossed out on the birth record) also traceable?
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Warwickshire / Re: Pardon - Help determining mother
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 15:07 GMT (UK) »
Excellent! Thank you.
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Warwickshire / Pardon - Help determining mother
« on: Saturday 23 March 24 13:16 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to discover who the parents are of an Ellen Pardon (born abt 1875).
Ellen married Charles Harbidge in 1893, and then married Frank Higgs in 1898.
On Charles Harbidge's death record, the person present at his death was a Selina Mutlow (mother-in-law). Charles died at 35 court 1 house, Great Russell Street, Birmingham.
I can't find Ellen in census pre-marriage to her second husband to determine if her mother's name was indeed Selina. There is also no registration on GRO that I can find.
I'd like to determine if this is the case so I can be certain I have the right death details for Charles.
Ellen married Charles Harbidge in 1893, and then married Frank Higgs in 1898.
On Charles Harbidge's death record, the person present at his death was a Selina Mutlow (mother-in-law). Charles died at 35 court 1 house, Great Russell Street, Birmingham.
I can't find Ellen in census pre-marriage to her second husband to determine if her mother's name was indeed Selina. There is also no registration on GRO that I can find.
I'd like to determine if this is the case so I can be certain I have the right death details for Charles.
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Warwickshire / Re: Help with Broadfield
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 14:01 GMT (UK) »Do you think that Sarah was in some sort of relationship with Samuel, despite the age differnce?
1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGZK-4VP
Debra
A great find. Thank you! I hadn't considered this but I suppose it could indeed be a possibility.
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Warwickshire / Re: Help with Broadfield
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 13:30 GMT (UK) »Good Morning
Can I add a few details that may not help straight away but may give a clue latter?
Sarah Broadfield's marriage in 1815 says she is 21 (probably adding a bit so she doesn't need her parents consent of Aston Row and Joseph is 25 also of Aston row
witnesses Thomas Jukes who signs and Mary Summerfield who like the bride and groom makes a cross.
There are two baptisms both at St Phillips
Sarah 14.9.1797 d of Thomas and Sarah
Sarah 15.1.1798 d of Richard and Ann
There is a second marriage Sarah Broadfield to Benjamin Downing 16.4.1812 both single ,signed witnesses Sarah Broadfield x and Thomas signed
Benjamin dies in the Workhouse 21.11.1835 age 38.
The other marriages at Aston around the same time are
Benjamin age21 5.9.1813 of Aston St to Martha Price 22 wit John and Sarah Atkins
Esther 1.01.1821 to James Rea wit James and Mary Teague.
They seem to be children of Richard and Ann.
But lets give you some info on both.
Thomas and Sarah- William 6.1.1795,Sarah ,Thomas James 11.12.1799,John 4.10.1805 ,Elizabeth 22.5.1807 and Mary Ann 11.9.1809.
Thomas is a boat builder who leaves a Will 1826 mentioning wife Sarah ,sons William and Thomas to go into the business and children who will receive money when 21.Unhelpfully he does not name them.
The corresponding burial 23.7.1825 age 56 years of Nelson St is at St Mary's.His Death notice in the Aris Gazette 25.7.1825 says he died Monday last and is of Islington.
Sarah also buried St Marys widow of Lee Cres 2 Dec 1840 age 71.
Their marriage is at AJB Thomas Broadfield and Sarah Smith signed and made cross.31.5.1793
wit Robert Baker and Richard Roberts
Richard and Ann -Benjamin 26.8.1793 ,Sarah 1798 ,William 13.3.1799 ,Richard 6.4.1801,Esther 2.6.1803 , William 7.1.1805,Mary 10.3.1807,Thomas 21.1.1811,Job 13.2.1813-1820 of London Prentice St,Susanna 1.2./8.1.1816 of Fordbrough st wood turner.
Richard married Ann Williams at St Martins 29.5.1791 .both made x .wit Robert Clayton and Sarah Shakespeare.
Mary Ann wife of Richard buried 21.7.1823 age 55 of London Prentice St on same page of burials as Caroline Underwood.
Richard at st Martin 1770-28.5.1834.Lichfield St.
I'd go with Richard and Ann but see what you think and I'll try and find some more.
Ciderdrinker
Thanks so much for this. What makes you steer more towards Richard and Ann as being Sarah's parents?
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Warwickshire / Help with Broadfield
« on: Saturday 02 March 24 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi all
I'm looking to find information about a Sarah Broadfield (abt 1796-1860) who lived in Birmingham.
Sarah married Joseph Underwood, a guilt toy maker, in Birmingham in 1815. She only appears in the 1841 and 1851 census records. In 1841 she was living with a Samuel Worrallo & family and her occupation was listed as 'nanny'. Her son Enoch was living with her. In 1851, she appears to be living as a lodger with a Joseph Foster and family. She is listed as unmarried on that census and her occupation is 'assistant'. I'm still unsure as to whether this is my Sarah or not.
I know that Sarah died in 1860. Her death record states she was 65 and she was the wife of Joseph Underwood (guilt toy maker journeyman). Samuel Worrallo was present at her death. This is the man whose family she was living with in 1841.
Sarah never appeared in census with her husband most likely because he was always travelling. I've not found Joseph at all in any census, but I know he died a widow in Dudley Road Workhouse in 1864.
Sarah and Joseph had four children that I am aware of:
William - 1816
Hannah - 1818
Joseph Enoch - 1820 (died in 1895)
Caroline - 1821 (died in 1823)
I have plenty of information about Joseph Enoch but nothing about William and Hannah. I found a burial record for Caroline but no baptism. I'd love to find out more about what became of William and Hannah.
Sarah Broadfield could possibly be the daughter of a Thomas Broadfield and her mother's name may have been Sarah. I found a baptism in Birmingham that may fit for her (14th Sept 1797) but can find no further information about her parents.
If anyone can help to find information about Sarah's children Hannah and William, and who her parents were, I would be most grateful.
I'm looking to find information about a Sarah Broadfield (abt 1796-1860) who lived in Birmingham.
Sarah married Joseph Underwood, a guilt toy maker, in Birmingham in 1815. She only appears in the 1841 and 1851 census records. In 1841 she was living with a Samuel Worrallo & family and her occupation was listed as 'nanny'. Her son Enoch was living with her. In 1851, she appears to be living as a lodger with a Joseph Foster and family. She is listed as unmarried on that census and her occupation is 'assistant'. I'm still unsure as to whether this is my Sarah or not.
I know that Sarah died in 1860. Her death record states she was 65 and she was the wife of Joseph Underwood (guilt toy maker journeyman). Samuel Worrallo was present at her death. This is the man whose family she was living with in 1841.
Sarah never appeared in census with her husband most likely because he was always travelling. I've not found Joseph at all in any census, but I know he died a widow in Dudley Road Workhouse in 1864.
Sarah and Joseph had four children that I am aware of:
William - 1816
Hannah - 1818
Joseph Enoch - 1820 (died in 1895)
Caroline - 1821 (died in 1823)
I have plenty of information about Joseph Enoch but nothing about William and Hannah. I found a burial record for Caroline but no baptism. I'd love to find out more about what became of William and Hannah.
Sarah Broadfield could possibly be the daughter of a Thomas Broadfield and her mother's name may have been Sarah. I found a baptism in Birmingham that may fit for her (14th Sept 1797) but can find no further information about her parents.
If anyone can help to find information about Sarah's children Hannah and William, and who her parents were, I would be most grateful.
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Warwickshire / Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« on: Thursday 15 February 24 09:29 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Kay! Great finds.
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Warwickshire / Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« on: Tuesday 13 February 24 14:08 GMT (UK) »
Thank you!
I think in terms of loose ends with the Reader side, I still have the following to follow up:
Matilda Reader's whereabouts in 1841
The identity of Alice Reader who appears in 1851
I think in terms of loose ends with the Reader side, I still have the following to follow up:
Matilda Reader's whereabouts in 1841
The identity of Alice Reader who appears in 1851