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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Welsh in 1891 census
« on: Thursday 07 March 24 18:33 GMT (UK)  »
In spite of the ways in which this was interpreted and answered, some people who answered "Welsh" actually completed a Welsh form - indicated by the letter "W" in the initial column.

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England / Re: Bartelemi Fabronius
« on: Sunday 14 January 24 16:24 GMT (UK)  »
There is a report in the Christchurch Times 25 Apr 1874, regarding her elopement with William Purcell just prior to the article. While Bartolomei had been at sea shortly after their marriage, it seems his wife had spent £30 and obtained £18 on a dock bond, withhout his consent. William Purcell (also spelled Parcell in some censuses), was a commission agent living at Hope Place Liverpool. He had it seemed borrowed money from her and she had also been supporting his mother and his sisters. He had also written to her wanting to elope with her and had spent more time with him  than her husband in a period of 3 months.In spite of Bartolemi having forbidden them from seeing each other, Parcell visited in April 1874 and they ran off together, taking various moneys, coins and jewellry belonging to Bartolomei's daughter who was being educated in a convent. A cab man who drove them to the station told Bartolomei  that they had booked to go to Hooton.  Bills were issued with their description and a reward of £10 was offered and it seems that William Purcell was wanted for other charges. It is possible he is the William mentioned in a notice in the Liverpool Daily Post 4 July 1870, warning customers not to pay money to a William Purcell, who had been discharged by the Royal Liverpool Friendly Society, although I haven't found anything in newspapers referring to any court case etc.

There is a William Purcell (Parcell) living with his mother and siblings and others at 47 Upper Hope Place, in 1881, who decribes himself as professor of music / musician, but his brother Lawrence is a commission agent:
ED  Dist23
Piece   3624
Folio   25
Page number 43

I wondered if she had eloped and if they had fled together to a foreign land. Although there is a Mrs Parcell, the children listed on the passeneger list dd not have a mother's maiden name of cole, so that ruled them out.

William and brother Lawrence in the next censuses seemed to have married - not that is to Elizabeth / Ethelberga.

She didn't seem to be with any of her relatives (parents or siblings), but I wondered I she reverted to using her maiden name. She does not appear to be listed as having died, married or divorced or there being probate, for her under Ethel+ / -other endings under her married name or variations. So she could have reverted to Cole, but a search from 1891 onwards for occupation only as teacher or governess has not brought anything relevant up, other than a possible entry for a widowed Nurse, who I wqas unsure of since I could not find a birth to confirm birth place for your Elizabeth, although she seems to be a twin to Ethelbert who died in 1853 (I think), supposedly born in peckham, but I've only found a registration for Ethelbert.

If her father had been a music professor (at least in the 1851 census), maybe that's how she met William and maybe she would have had connections after her elopement, to be able to find teaching positions, which I guess could have taken her abroad. The other possibility would be if she ended up in some institution (workhouse, asylum or gaol). She could simply have been using a different name and or surname altogether.



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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Farm Name Done
« on: Saturday 09 December 23 22:04 GMT (UK)  »
Not sure what time scale you're after but the occupier of the farm in 1828 was a Samuels and he's is listed in a NLW document https://archives.library.wales/index.php/informationobject/browse?topLod=0&sort=relevance&query=Pyllecrynon&repos=

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Farm Name
« on: Saturday 09 December 23 16:45 GMT (UK)  »
Example of use of "crynon" to describe the farm rom 1902 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3864825/3864830/43/

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with Farm Name
« on: Saturday 09 December 23 16:40 GMT (UK)  »
Pullecrinon - The transcription is correct, in that is how it was probably pronounced locally and so it has a colloquial / anglicised spelling. It would have been Pyllau-crynion in reality.

The first part of the word is written as pulle... a mix of anglicised spelling of the Welsh Pyllau, which would be pronounced pylle. The letter e gives same sound as au, which would be the correct plural spelling of pwll (pyllau). The single pwll is often written as pull by English enumerators and adding an e converts the sound to a plural version of au. (think of it as an English sounding short eh rather than a longer aye).

The second part is crinon (would be their version of Crynion). This spelling is based on how it was probably colloquially pronounced, utilising an i in it's spelling though, rather than a y.

The ending ...ion has been shortened as is often the case, to omit the letter i.

 So, in spite of the inaccurate spelling it would sound like pylle crin on
 
Pwllau crynion withdrawn for sale in 1907 ttps://newspapers.library.wales/view/3867109/3867117/85/

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I have a family from Clynnog that  had some children taking the father's surname, some taking the mother's and some used the father's first name as a surname.  :-*

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Caernarvonshire / Re: ellin hughes burial
« on: Monday 04 December 23 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Probably NOT Benallt
This address is inhabited in 1841 by a Gaenor Lewis (born 1781) and William Lewis (1786) and supposed chldren  William, Anne and a John Evans born 1811
H0 107 Piece 139 Folio number 11 Page number 14 Schedule 495

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Caernarvonshire / Re: ellin hughes burial
« on: Monday 04 December 23 14:05 GMT (UK)  »
Link to tithe map does not appear to work that well. Dryll Goch not named but somewhere in this area- go to tithe maps, search for tryfan bach, tick box for Llandwrog and select marker 2 on map and change to NLS maps view:
https://places.library.wales/search/53.078/-4.288/12?alt=&page=1&refine=&query=tryfan%20bach&order=desc&sort=score&rows=100&parish_facet%5B%5D=Llandwrog&leaflet-base-layers_94=on

On Scotold maps:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.0&lat=53.09380&lon=-4.25964&layers=6&b=1&marker=53.094848,-4.261357

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Caernarvonshire / Re: ellin hughes burial
« on: Monday 04 December 23 13:55 GMT (UK)  »
There is the possibility however that Penallt is in act Benallt - listed on the 1861 census, in the vicinity of Bethesda Bach https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/15573541:8768

see map https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16.3&lat=53.09063&lon=-4.29015&layers=6&b=1&marker=53.089920,-4.287830

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