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Family History Beginners Board / Re: My grt aunt Ellen
« on: Friday 13 July 18 08:14 BST (UK)  »
KGarrard is correct - the 14 days is the duration of the illness.

Do you think that there would be a copy of a medical cert. out there somewhere in someone's records:    highly unlikely, but a fascinating thought.   M

The medical cert (called  the MCCD - Medical Certificate of Cause of Death) is retained by the registrar, but  most of the information on it is repeated on the register entry so wouldn't help with any research.

Most doctors don't fill in the duration of illness column any more, and even if they do it is no longer included on the register entry.

The Common Room / Re: Inter-family adoptions
« on: Wednesday 11 July 18 16:37 BST (UK)  »
  Would you perhaps know, if an adopted person did a search for their name somewhere like Freebmd, and it didn't appear, would that be an indication that they may be adopted?

It is one possibility, but there are lots of others so it wouldn't automatically follow.

The Common Room / Re: Inter-family adoptions
« on: Wednesday 11 July 18 14:34 BST (UK)  »
The original birth register entry is not changed, just noted as "adopted" in the margin when the legal adoption process is completed.

A new record is made in the Adopted Children Register giving the child's name (which would usually be different from the birth name, but doesn't have to be) and the names of the adoptive parents. A certificate is issued from that which serves as the child's "birth" certificate in later life. The indexes for the ACR are available at a few sites on microfiche, but not on-line.

The two records are not linked in the indexes so you can't find one from the other without special access.

The Common Room / Re: Complicated marriage entry....
« on: Monday 09 July 18 17:46 BST (UK)  »
Just means she has three surnames on the entry - so "x otherwise Y formerly z" or something similar. The exact order, and why they are all shown, will only be apparent from a certificate.

The Common Room / Re: British East Africa 1913
« on: Monday 02 July 18 12:41 BST (UK)  »
I would start with checking newspapers - the British Library has some titles from British East Africa for that period amongst its collections.

As you know the date of death, it should be quite easy to narrow down the likely editions to go through.

The Common Room / Re: Henry Jefferd Young - why did he wait 25 years?
« on: Thursday 21 June 18 10:13 BST (UK)  »
Harry and Bessie E YOUNG are living in Torquay in 1939, with children called BEER and YOUNG and claiming to be married. Maybe everyone thought they were married (including the children) and they didn't want to have to explain. Harry is a builder's labourer and his date of birth is shown as 11th May 1887.

Eventually they decided to make it official (possibly because of concern about inheritance/wills etc.)

You should look at the birth registrations in 1927 & 1929 to see if they falsely claimed to be married when registering those births.

But this doesn't really fit with your naval man born in 1871, who does seem to be in Gosport in 1939 - something is wrong somewhere.

I believe that these days, the cause of death (1a on the certificate) in such a situation would detail the injury that caused the death, rather than casting aspersions about how the injury came about.

Current practice, if there is any suggestion that a criminal act led to a death, is that an inquest would be opened and then adjourned until enquiries/criminal proceedings are completed. The death won't be registered until the inquest verdict is known, but the medical cause of death will be shown as normal, with the inquest verdict added to it. The usual wording used by the coroner would just be "unlawful killing".

To answer your original question...

Can anyone tell me whether the issue of a certificate of death is nowadays delayed if there are any suspicious, unexplained factors surrounding that death...?

Only if it goes to inquest -  because then the death can't be registered until the conclusion of the inquest proceedings. Historically that may have only been a few days at most, but nowadays there can be a long delay so the registration will appear in a later quarter or even year than you would expect.

The cause of death would reflect the verdict of the inquest (which is separate from any criminal proceedings). At that time it wasn't uncommon to name a suspect, but that no longer happens.

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