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London and Middlesex / Re: Brueton's - Gun Makers/Metal Workers- Shoreditch/Stepney
« on: Sunday 23 October 22 14:54 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: gwv1849 on Tuesday 18 October 22 07:39 BST (UK)
Gday, I am a newby.... Have some info on the Brueton Family... My 3 x g father John Venables married for the 2nd time 1848 Maria Brueton daughhter of Edward b1787 wife Elizabeth Cooper Aston Juxta. Maria lived in 202 Heneage St. and John Venables also lived in the same St. If youi are interested can supply further info. I live in Australia.

Hi there gwv and g'day. Thanks for your reply. My Bruetons also lived at Heneage St. Do you know anything about Edwards parents or siblings?
All the best

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: How essential is an Ancestry subscription for getting the most in my DNA test?
« on: Sunday 15 May 22 00:39 BST (UK)  »
Great Post and info Biggles

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The Common Room / Re: What is a 'Money-Maker'
« on: Saturday 14 May 22 01:24 BST (UK)  »
Birmingham was known for counterfeiting. Coins, jewellery, guns, allsorts

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London and Middlesex / Re: Brueton's - Gun Makers/Metal Workers- Shoreditch/Stepney
« on: Wednesday 11 May 22 00:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi Aidan. Sorry I haven't replied earlier. Thanks so much for your reply. Sorry but I'm not signed up to ancestry at the moment, so I can't view your links.

I would message you, but you need to make two more replies on the forums before I can do that. Due to site rules. 
All the best

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Lancashire / Re: American Civil War soldier from Lancashire - ROLLINS
« on: Wednesday 19 May 21 13:22 BST (UK)  »
Most Catholics in the North of England, especially at this time, would be more likely be English than Irish. Lancashire, and Yorkshire, had/has high numbers of English Catholics and also Nonconformists, as well as CofE.

Mary Hunsworth possibly had more illigitimate children, there is also a James baptised 1833, though this does not necessarily mean he was born in 1833. He was baptised at Culcheth which isn't far from Leigh, no father named. Also an Ann 1830 and Alice 1837

I had a look for Mary and children on the census but it's quite a common surname in the area. I think Helen/Ellen might have died young.

Not sure if you've used it before but the Lancashire OPC site I linked is a great resource for anyone with ancestors in Lancashire

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Lancashire / Re: American Civil War soldier from Lancashire - ROLLINS
« on: Wednesday 19 May 21 05:31 BST (UK)  »
Also and maybe not much help, but there are also a ton of Rollinsons in Lancashire (and Yorkshire). Might it be possible he shortened his name?

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

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Lancashire / Re: American Civil War soldier from Lancashire - ROLLINS
« on: Wednesday 19 May 21 05:24 BST (UK)  »
Sorry no Thomas, but an RC baptism in Leigh, Lancashire. Illegitimate? Father named as John Rolling

Baptism: 8 Mar 1829 St Joseph RC, Bedford, Leigh, Lancashire, England
Helen Hunsworth - [Child] of John Rolling & Mary Hunsworth
Godparents: Thomas Hunsworth; Ann Boardman

There is also a Rawling family in Oldham, Lancashire with occuaption shoemaker

Baptism: 15 Mar 1835 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Rawling - Daughter of Henry Rawling & Mary
Abode: Croft Bank
Occupation: Shoemaker.

Baptism: 28 Aug 1836 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
William Wilson Rawling - Son of Henry Rawling & Mary
Abode: Mount Pleasant
Occupation: Shoemaker

Baptism: 3 Jun 1838 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Mary Jane Rawling - Daughter of Henry Rawling & Mary
Abode: Mount Pleasant
Occupation: Cordwainer


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Lancashire / Re: Manchester "Peterloo"
« on: Thursday 08 August 19 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Victoria

The main reason the population in the industrial districts/ towns like Manchester 'vastly' increased was because people moved in from the surrounding Lancashire, Yorkshire, Cheshire etc countryside. Though most people attending Peterloo were not actually from Manchester. They came from surrounding town's

Yes there were waves of  Irish immigration at certain times, circa late 1840s, circa 1900 and also after the last war, but the Irish joined a huge demographic of English Working Class and so did not make a 'vast' difference to the population and especially not in 1819.

These are the most common surnames in Lancashire in 1881. The surnames for Manchester, even now, are similar

http://www.britishsurnames.co.uk/1881census/lancashire

SMITH   45,465   1.3115   0.93
TAYLOR   38,342   1.1060   1.73
JONES   34,724   1.0017   0.88
JACKSON   18,242   0.5262   1.88
WILLIAMS   18,213   0.5254   0.73
BROWN   17,335   0.5001   0.76
ROBINSON   16,378   0.4725   1.48
WILSON   15,643   0.4512   0.98
JOHNSON   15,078   0.4350   1.29
ROBERTS   14,387   0.4150   1.10
HARRISON   13,369   0.3857   1.74
DAVIES   13,293   0.3835   0.75
THOMPSON   13,089   0.3776   1.26
WOOD   13,015   0.3754   1.18
HUGHES   12,467   0.3596   1.28
WALKER   12,032   0.3471   1.04
HALL   11,757   0.3392   1.15
SHAW   11,616   0.3351   1.82
TURNER   11,591   0.3344   1.20
HOWARTH   11,395   0.3287   6.84
HOLT   10,528   0.3037   4.54
WRIGHT   10,502   0.3029   0.94
GREEN   10,442   0.3012   1.07
WILKINSON   10,296   0.2970   1.95
ASHWORTH   9,551   0.2755   6.91
EVANS   9,220   0.2660   0.61
YATES   9,171   0.2646   3.85
HOLDEN   9,076   0.2618   4.78
MORRIS   8,723   0.2516   1.13
RILEY   8,663   0.2499   3.16
KELLY   8,522   0.2458   2.24
WALSH   8,416   0.2428   4.56
BOOTH   8,397   0.2422   2.46
LORD   8,273   0.2386   5.18
WHITTAKER   8,043   0.2320   4.90
SCHOFIELD   7,978   0.2301   4.25
BUTTERWORTH   7,951   0.2294   6.39
HARGREAVES   7,874   0.2271   5.45
PARKINSON   7,744   0.2234   4.66
CHADWICK   7,697   0.2220   5.08
HILL   7,522   0.2170   0.85
HARTLEY   7,518   0.2169   3.46
LEE   7,497   0.2163   1.32
GREENWOOD   7,302   0.2106   2.71
WHITEHEAD   7,269   0.2097   3.10
KAY   7,249   0.2091   4.02
WARD   7,223   0.2084   0.95
FLETCHER   7,205   0.2078   1.82
EDWARDS   7,112   0.2052   0.74
BARNES   6,968   0.2010   1.67



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The Common Room / Re: WDYTYA - Jack & Michael Whitehall 5/8/19
« on: Thursday 08 August 19 02:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 07 August 19 17:10 BST (UK)
Quote from: chris_49 on Wednesday 07 August 19 08:15 BST (UK)

The Newport Riots were the last occasion on which significant numbers of British citizens were killed and maimed by their own troops* - best estimate is that 22 died (Wikipedia), 20 years after Peterloo. It was also the last time anybody was sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered, though this was commuted to transportation for life. More people should know about this. It's a pity if the story got obscured by the celebs.

* depends what you mean by significant - 4 died in the Mold riots of 1869, doubtless there were other examples.
 

4 killed at Preston in 1842. Plug Riots and Chartism. Preston had a wide franchise prior to the 1832 Reform Act so didn't benefit from the reform. Henry Hunt, the speaker at Peterloo was M.P. for Preston 1830-1833. One of my 3xGGFs in Preston was a Chartist and trades unionist. The shooting happened in the street where a doctor who was brother-in-law of another of my 3xGGFs lived. 
https://wiki2.org/en/Preston_Strike_of_1842
https://www.secret-bases.co.uk/wiki/Preston_Strike_of_1842
https://historicaltrinkets.blogspot.com/2011/10/riot-act-violence-and-bloodshed-on.html

*It also depends on what you mean by "British citizens".

Yes the 1842 General Strike (AKA Plug Riots) included 6 dead at Halifax, as well as the deaths at Preston
The Reform Bill Riots (Great Reform Act 1832) also saw widespread rioting and numbers of dead
I really despair at WDYYYA history research. Last week we had shock horror at 1830's indenture in Jamaica, as if this wasn't already widespread in England at the time. The Huskar Pit disaster happened 9 years after slavery had been abolished in the BWI, but WDYTYA wouldn't dream of covering something like English coal miners (see the scrapped Michael Parkinson episode)

As a side note. Bradford Chartists were supposed to join the Newport rebellion. Long story why it failed but interesting 

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