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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 21:12 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thanks Monica.  I spent years wondering what happened to Margaret after her mother's death, but only today thought of looking BEFORE her death!  Just shows how easy it is to become too focused on one idea.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 19:16 BST (UK)  »
Yes, good advice.  I do try always to verify/corroborate anything I find from other people.  There is some rubbish on Ancestry trees, like people listing an ancestor's marriage when they would be only 10 years old.  If anything doesn't look or sound right, it needs further investigation.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 16:19 BST (UK)  »
Yes, thanks Forfarian, I have notified SP.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 14:39 BST (UK)  »
Ignore the message above, I have now found the record on SP.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 14:27 BST (UK)  »
One possibility for Margaret in 1861:

Elizabeth Mcgavin 45 Head widow
Wm Mcgavin 20 seaman b. Dundee
Jean Mcgavin 18 weaver b. Dundee
Jessie Mcgavin 13 b. Dundee
Ann Mcgavin 7 b. Fife??
Margt Robertson 3 b. Fife??

Address Ireland's Lane, Dundee

I think this is one of those entries that you are best checking the original image for. Possibility for mistranscriptions.

Monica

I have found this record indexed on Ancestry but I can't find the original image on SP using McGavin or Robertson. 

As an aside, I am finding SP's indexing quite unreliable.  I only found Jean's 1861 image after finding the index on Ancestry, then going back to SP I found that I had missed it in the past because they had her age as 58 instead of 38.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Margaret Whitton or Robertson 1857 to ?
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 12:19 BST (UK)  »
Inspired by a bit of lateral thinking today, I wonedred if Margaret had died before her mother, between 1901 and 1904.  Sure enough, I found her death on SP on 1st January 1904, at Rose Street, Edinburgh.  Once again, it gave her wrong age, but all the other details are correct.

Informant was her sister in law , Betsy, as with the death of jean later that year.

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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Margaret Whitton or Robertson 1857 to ?
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 11:05 BST (UK)  »
The ages of this family on censuses vary a lot.  There is one where Jean is shown as 10 years younger than she was i  reality.  Margaret's has been known to be several years out too.

Thanks for the information on Jean in 1851, I will check that.

I assume that, unless Margaret moved to England to be near her brother John (she was not in Somerset in 1921), her death will be recorded in Scotland.  It has long been my intention to go to SP in Edinburgh and trawl through all the Margaret Robertson marriages and deaths from 1904, but Covid got in the way and I have never done it.

Incidentally, in some records, Margaret was known as Maggie.


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Angus (Forfarshire) / Margaret Whitton or Robertson 1857 to ?
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 09:43 BST (UK)  »
This thread links with a previous one of mine entitled "Illegitimate children..."

I am trying to find Margaret Whitton or Robertson, whose birth was registered on 27 October 1857 at Dundee.  Mother was Jean Whitton and there was no father.  She and her mother later were known as "Robertson" and in 1901 they were at 61 Rose Street, Edinburgh.  Jean died in 1904 at the home of her son John Robertson.  Informant was John's wife Betsy.  There is no mention of Margaret.

It is such a common name that I have been unable to find Margaret after 1901.  I have not found her brother John in 1911, but I know that in 1915-16 he was listed on son's naval record at 4 Hopetoun Road, South Queensferry.  He then moved to Somerset about 1917.


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Angus (Forfarshire) / Re: Illegitimate children not with mother
« on: Saturday 28 October 23 09:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your comments.  I too thought John Robertson at Dunkeld might be a possibility, but the find of John Robertson Whittet makes it unlikely.  Also, with Jean and Margaret in Dundee, why would John be living so far away?  There is no connection that I can see between William, Andrew and Euphemia Whittet and my Whitton family.  Although Jean's father and siblings were called Whittet, all were known as Whitton by 1841.  For information, my 'Whittets' were originally from Pitkindie and, earlier, from Kinnaird.

I have looked for John in 1861 under surname Robertson, Whitton or Johnston, but there is nothing that looks right.  I suppose he may have been with another family and his surname wrongly transcribed as theirs.  Also, we don't even know if he was originally known as John, as his birth registration had no first name!

I am pleased that by returning to this ancestor after a number of years, I have found with your help everything that was missing except for John's whereabouts in 1861.  (There is still the question of what happened to Margaret after Jean's death in 1904, but I will start another thread on that !  :))

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