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Denbighshire / Re: Chaloner family
« on: Saturday 06 July 13 01:02 BST (UK)  »
I am descended from Martha Pemberton, who married basket maker Timothy Chalenor in Wrexham in 1850 and thence lived with him in Holt, Denbighshire, baring him five children from 1851-9: Emma, Timothy, Arthur, George and Samuel John. Would be very pleased to hear from their descendents, please reply to thread or PM me.

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Shropshire / Re: Pemberton family, Whitchurch
« on: Monday 13 May 13 17:24 BST (UK)  »
Increasingly convinced that this Mary Pemberton was the first child of Martha Pemberton, baptised 5 October 1834 at Myddle, Shropshire. Illegitimate, she is likely to have been raised in the first instance by her maternal grandparents - John Pemberton and his wife Mary (nee Painter) - in Astley, Shropshire. In the 1851 census she is 18 and living as a servant at an inn-keepers in Churton by Farndon, Cheshire. Martha her mother is to be found a mile away at Farndon in the 1841 census but had married (to a Timothy Chaloner) in Wrexham on 4 March, 1850.
Mary's marriage to William Routledge shows the right age but shows her father to be labourer John Pemberton. I think that Mary has substituted her grandfather for her unknown father. The church used is only about eight miles from Churton by Farndon, and whilst someone pointed out earlier in the thread that marriages were and are normally held at the parish church of the bride, I think this was because her father normally paid the costs, which wouldn't apply in this case.

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Shropshire / Re: Pemberton family, Whitchurch
« on: Sunday 12 May 13 16:21 BST (UK)  »
This is the Routledge marriage from the IGI;
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NFBL-6KR
This estimated 1834 birth date for Mary Pemberton, and the indication her father was John Pemberton, suggests we're cousins, Stoney! Mary was my gt gt grandfather's sibling, methinks. I have PMd you with my email.

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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool jute works. HELP!
« on: Thursday 02 May 13 18:25 BST (UK)  »
Since my earlier response, I have come across an old accounts book belonging to my grandfather. It contains little but a list of names, which I think were his fellow company directors. These are G.Coker; RP Davie; W Evans; JS Meikle;  and WH Tulis [or Sulis?].

Liverpool archives have some records of WWII bomb damage at the firm.

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Derbyshire / Re: Skinners Hall, Edale
« on: Tuesday 29 January 13 18:03 GMT (UK)  »
My 3xgt grandparents's eldest daughter, one Mary Ryder, appears to have married into the Skinners Hall family in 1840, when it was occupied by a very large family of Gytes. She married a Uriah Gyte on 23 February 1840 at Castleton, Derbyshire [IGI], & married him again two days later at Manchester Cathedral (Manchester Times/IGI), just for good measure. Uriah seems to have been a horse keeper. Quite how he relates to the Skinners Hall Gytes I have yet to fathom, but their first son George, born 1840, appears as a 'visitor' there in the 1861 census, when the place is occupied by baker George Gyte (57), who is the eldest of 10 Gytes in the place. Any more info on these Gytes - especially Uriah and his son - most welcome.

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Armed Forces / Re: 'Ninth Army Reserve' in 1881
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 18:49 BST (UK)  »
Now then, Ken, one has to admire someone who can state "as George was married in December (qtr) it is likely he was serving in the 47th Regiment of Foot" - I really do think his brother Henry would be proud of that statement during his time as a Met police inspector! The precise date was December 15 if that's helpful.

Liverpool seems to me to be something of a key, especially as you mention Limerick. George's bride, one Jane Tinsley, like him is absent from the 1871 census, she from her home in the Scotland Road area of Liverpool. Hers was a very poor family and it would be difficult to envisage her travelling much or meeting many persons other than those in her immediate area. Somehow she and George, from Middlesex, meet, and it is difficult to see his army involvement not having something to do with it.

Perhaps the 47th would have some form of base in Liverpool or members of it would perhaps commonly take periods of leave there as a relatively easy place to reach on the mainland?

George and Jane settled in Liverpool after their marriage. One of their descendents - my second cousin Alan Rouse - became the first Briton to scale K2, tragically dying on the descent.

Ninny jan - thanks, yes, the Met records might well reveal more, a good idea. As might Henry's daughter's birth certificate.

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Armed Forces / Re: 'Ninth Army Reserve' in 1881
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 17:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that, Ainslie. I know of no connection with Norfolk. I presume he would sign up at his local barracks in Hounslow, Middlesex, though of course fate may have taken him in different directions following the 1871 census and he could have signed up elsewhere. Would a Ninth Regiment of Foot equate to a Ninth Army in those days - it's the best I have to go on being an ignoramus in military matters. He would seem to be involved in the early development of the military police. The Liverpool connection makes me wonder whether Irish troubles had a part to play.

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Armed Forces / 'Ninth Army Reserve' in 1881
« on: Thursday 21 July 11 15:26 BST (UK)  »
A census entry for a Henry Rouse in Isleworth, Middlesex in 1881 describes him as a 'Police Constable (9th Army Reserve)'

There appear to be rumours in part of the family that he may have served in India but these are vague. He was in the Hounslow area in the 1871 census and joined up subsequently. He spent at least some of the intervening years between the censuses in Liverpool where he married and had his first daughter in 1879. He eventually went on to rise to Inspector with the Victorian Metropolitan Police.

Can anyone help over exactly what the Victorian Ninth Army was/ comprised/ did? All Googling it seems to achieve is wonderful things about Americans in that little bit of WW2 they deigned to turn up for.

Henry's brother George was also in the army, but we only know this as we have his 1873 marriage lines at Christ Church, Fulwood, north of Preston, stating merely that he was a soldier in the local barracks. He is absent from the 1871 census and was previously with Henry in Feltham, Middlesex.

Any information or intelligent speculation concerning the above most welcome. 


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Lancashire / Re: Liverpool jute works. HELP!
« on: Wednesday 06 October 10 00:11 BST (UK)  »
I've joined RootsChat as my grandfather was also a director of this company, handling their accounts, and I've just Googled it from curiosity. His name was James Albert Ryder. He retired circa 1961 and died shortly afterwards, unfortunately during my boyhood.

I was brought up in my grandparents' home, and I do seem to remember him referring to a Mr Sullis on occasion, though I'm afraid my mother's and grandfather's work conversation when they got home caused me to instantly switch off.

My grandfather used to be given a lift home from work by a Mr Wink, or someone he referred to as Wink, possibly a nickname? My grandfather's brother, Jack Ryder, was in charge of Robert Davie Seniors works, though I only met him briefly once.

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