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For Sale / Wanted / Events / St Marie RC Church, Bury
« on: Sunday 16 September 18 19:45 BST (UK)  »
The lantern tower of St Marie RC Church, Bury, is being restored with help from the Heritage Lottery Fund.

As part of this project, a small booklet describing the stained glass windows in the church has been produced.  The booklet has colour photos of all the stained glass windows in the church.

It costs £1 if bought from the church.  You would need to contact the Parish Office ( for details of postage if you need it from afar.

Lancashire / Re: Public grave site
« on: Monday 20 August 18 11:55 BST (UK)  »
Have you looked at Genuki Lancashire?  This shows that there is a municipal cemetery in Ulverston that opened in 1879 ( ).  There are also at least three church graveyards in the town.

The [Salford Diocesan] Catholic Rescue and Protection Society is now part of Caritas Diocese of Salford.  It will have recent records but old records were deposited with the now-defunct Salford Diocesan Archives.
Caritas Diocese of Salford has a website and this has a contact link.  There is also an email address

Lancashire / Re: Marriage look up Wigan
« on: Wednesday 16 November 16 20:21 GMT (UK)  »
Garstonite has suggested a possible family in the 1901 Census and states -

> it is a possible you are looking for Mary McMahon b 1872/73 in Blackrod

There was a Catholic chapel in Blackrod between 1870 and 1874.  The registers for this chapel have been deposited in the Lancashire Archives in Preston. As far as I know there are no published transcripts or indexes.

Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

Lancashire / Re: Marriage look up Wigan
« on: Wednesday 16 November 16 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
You ask about the marriage of a Patrick Duffy and Mary McMahon in Wigan in 1893.

> What I want to find out is their parents names before I send for their marriage certificate I hope this information would be on parish marriage records.

The LancashireBMD site states for this marriage "Wigan, Register Office or Registrar Attended".  At this time, the law only allowed marriages in non-Anglican chapels (Non-Conformist in the widest sense) provided the Registrar attended for the civil aspects of the ceremony.  The names of the couple seem Irish so it is possible that this marriage took place in a Catholic chapel.  At this time there were four Catholic chapels in Wigan and several more in the Wigan and Leigh Registration District.

The LancashireOPC site is striving to improve its coverage of Catholic registers.  You will find an increasing number from the Diocese of Salford (the old Hundreds of Salford and Blackburn), a few from the Archdiocese of Liverpool (the old Hundreds of West Derby and Leyland) and none from the Diocese of Lancaster (Lancashire north of the Ribble).  St John is the only Catholic chapel in Wigan for which registers have been transcribed and these are only for an earlier period.

lizdb has said that the certificate will provide the details you seek and, sadly, this is probably the best and easiest way of getting those details.  The new GRO service provides a pdf version (copy) of the GRO register entry at a reduced cost for a limited period.

Hope this helps,

Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

Lancashire / Re: Gt Bridgewater St Wes Methodist
« on: Tuesday 08 November 16 12:00 GMT (UK)  »
There is a very interesting and enthusiastic site about UK Methodist history in a very wide sense at -

There is a contact link that might be able to help.

The MLFHS site has a list of Manchester graveyards at

which has -

Old City Graveyards ...
Name               Location                        Opened Closed    Moved
Methodist Chapel, Great Bridgewater St.  c1801    1854?    c1890

I was unable to find any information from Archives+, the Manchester Archive Service site ( ) about records for this church.

Hope this helps

Lancashire / Re: Gt Bridgewater St Wes Methodist
« on: Tuesday 08 November 16 11:13 GMT (UK)  »
You ask about ‘Gt Bridgewater St Wes Methodist’ and burials.

There is an entry for this church in the Genuki Church Database at

This includes -

The church has/had a graveyard.
Church History
It was founded in 1800. It closed in 1898.

Its early burial registers to 1837 seem to have been sent to the Registration Commissioners at the start of civil registration and are available on microfilm.

Many urban graveyards were closed circe 1855 and what are often described as burial registers may really be funeral registers with the burial taking place elsewhere.

Hope this helps

Lancashire / Re: Can't read /translate entry
« on: Monday 07 November 16 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
The certificate you posted is from a standard Catholic marriage register that came into use just after 1855.  The entry translates roughly as -

In the year 1876, on 6th day of the month of March, I, Edmund Scott, Assistant Missioner [priest] , joined in marriage Charles Joseph Walt[??] of 11 Melton Street, son of Peter and Ann, and Ann Pearson, widow of John Pearson, of 11 Melton street, daughter of John Nolan and Catherine Cullen.

Witnesses present   James Pearson, of 11 Melton Street
         Anna McSawley of 65 Great Crosshall St

Hope this helps you make sense of the certificate,

Jim Lancaster (Bury, Lancs.)

            [signed] Edmund Scott  Miss Coad

Lancashire / Re: Maria Bland born 1867/68?
« on: Thursday 13 October 16 18:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi, mlmcholm,

The replies already posted suggest that Maria Bland born ca 1866/7 was born in Preston.  As all Maria's children were raised as Catholics it is possible that she was a Catholic.

The fact that she and her possible parents were married in Anglican churches is not an argument against her being a Catholic.  At this time the Catholic church accepted that marriages in Anglican churches were sacramentally valid.

As her children were raised a Catholics, it is very likely that they were all baptised as Catholics. There were seven Catholic churches in Preston at that time and, as far as I know, none of the baptismal registers are available on-line, or even as hard copy.  The early registers will have been deposited in Lancashire Archives in Preston.

The Catholic churches in approx order of closeness to St Peter's, are St Walburge, St Mary, St Ignatius, English Martyrs, St Wilfrid, and St Joseph.

Hope this helps

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