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Just to make it more confusing a Sarah Stephens is listed as marrying John W V Dando in Hartlepool in 1918 J Quarter (10a/240) and this Dando/Stephens couple goes on to appear in the 1921 Census in Bristol (33 Bloy St, Easton) with her age given as 23y 7m which could agree with her being the Stephens/Robertson Sarah.

The logical next step, IMO, would be to purchase this marriage record.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Family stories rooted in some truth.
« on: Tuesday 12 March 24 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
As I was researching my family tree, I learned that my great-grandfather had five half-siblings but only one survived to adulthood. In tracing that man's life, I learned that he drowned at the age of 33: his body was found in the river. The informant on his death record was my great-grandfather.

When I told my aunt about this, she remembered being told that someone in the family had drowned while poaching salmon in the river. One of the newspaper reports said that he "had been absent from his home during the night, but no anxiety seemed to be manifested with regard to his movements."

It sounds to me like the story about him drowning while poaching fish was probably true.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: DNA testing to get certainity.
« on: Friday 08 March 24 02:29 GMT (UK)  »
This should get you there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p0gd2dgb

I think that the last episode called Secrets should be Mandatory for all Roots Chat members to listen to, it is one of the reasons why I am now so adamant that without DNA validating a family line in your tree, said line is just a series of people who may or may not be related to you.

My own DNA test proved to me that despite all the paperwork and documentation being there in my tree on a specific line said line has NO biological relationship with me, an NPE occurred.

Thank you, this is an interesting series.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Myths debunked when doing family histroy.
« on: Thursday 29 February 24 16:30 GMT (UK)  »
My maternal grandfather (born in Canada to English parents) was fond of saying, "I'm not English, I'm Irish!" As a result, my mother and her sisters grew up believing they were part Irish.

I know now (through my research) that I'm part Irish through my father's side of the family, but I've really struggled to find the Irish connection on my mother's side.

After a lot of determined digging, I discovered that one of my maternal grandfather's g-g-grandfathers was Jewish, but that can't be what he meant. Jewish/Irish... po-tay-to/po-tah-to... naaaaah.

Since then, I've found potential g-g-grandparents for him that might have an Irish connection or descent but I've been unable to prove it. The relevant church records (for England) weren't online the last time I checked, and I've purchased documentation on siblings, etc., looking for witnesses to events, all to no avail. (None of them had money or status, they moved around, they don't seem to have run afoul of the law, they died young, they left no wills.)

The potential g-g-grandfather was born in Oxfordshire but went to Dublin to enlist in 1802. Was there a familial reason why? His surname might have been Irish at some point. His wife had an Irish surname but I can't figure out where she was born (because of course I can't find them in the 1841 census and she died before the 1851 census was taken). They were married in England.

Anyway. Even if one of his g-g-grandmothers was Irish, or if both g-g-grandparents were of Irish descent, my grandfather was still mostly English, but I'll never be able to convince my aunts of that, LOL. (Not that I'd actually try, given that they are so firm in their belief.)

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The Common Room / Re: 1848 Madras India Illegitimate Baptism
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 17:35 GMT (UK)  »
Definitely. It would make a very interesting episode. Her family were originally French merchants from Calais who migrated to India via Ile Bourbon (now Reunion) where they stopped off and married into the native population. She’s related to just about everyone on the island including Anne Mousse, the first female born there.

She hasn’t been yet, but I’ve done trips to both Reunion and Madras.

Awesome!

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The Common Room / Re: 1848 Madras India Illegitimate Baptism
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 17:06 GMT (UK)  »
If your daughter-in-law was a famous person and this was an episode of one of those genealogy shows, this would be the point when they'd say, "It's time for a trip to India!"

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The Common Room / Re: 1848 Madras India Illegitimate Baptism
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 17:04 GMT (UK)  »
Henry married (at least) three times: to Clarinda in Trichinopoly in 1793 (she presumably died between 1805 and 1808), to Mary in c1806-08 (she died in 1813) and to Anna in Fort St. George in 1814 (she died in 1862). Henry had at least 21 children (6/4/11) and claimed to be a merchant, but TBH I'm surprised he had the time. Or the energy.

Wow!

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The Common Room / Re: 1848 Madras India Illegitimate Baptism
« on: Wednesday 28 February 24 16:45 GMT (UK)  »
This doesn't answer any of your questions, and you might already have it, but I've come across this tidbit, so I'll share it.

The Internet Archive has a book, "Marriages at Fort St. George, Madras [India, 1680-1815]," which contains a marriage on 22 Jan. 1814 between Henry Etridge, widower, and Anna Hall, spinster.

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The Lighter Side / Re: Marrying your dead wife’s sister
« on: Monday 19 February 24 15:15 GMT (UK)  »
I've seen this happen a few times in my and my husband's extended trees. Based on census records, it looks like the deceased woman's unmarried sister moved in to help the widower with his children, and at some point they got married. (This was in Canada or the US.)

I've also got a case where a woman's daughter died in 1921 (aged 35) and then the woman (aged 62) married her daughter's widower (aged 44) in 1930. The man's youngest children (her grandchildren) were about 9 and 10 years old in 1930. That woman died in 1949 and the man married two more times after that (the third wife died and the fourth survived him). (This was in the US.)

That was a really confusing situation to sort out, LOL. Picture me looking at the computer screen, eyes bugging out of my head, thinking, "What? That can't be... What? Who? Nooooooo..."

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